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I watched it and it made me feel like i should feel sorry for myself or something. Well, I don't. I felt sorry for myself when I had to help snappy customers, talked to by by boss like I was the dirt on the bottom of his shoe, and watching mice randomly running across the floor at night during the winter. Not to mention I made 200 on a good week. I love my job now. :)
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From another POV I do agree that they totally make camming out to be DOOM GLOOM BAD, and it really is a GOOD career. Instead of blaming the models for the abuse and degradation, or the industry, they should look at what and whom makes the industry degrading and abusive: CUSTOMERS. They add fuel to the fire, they purchase the degrading and abusive porn, they pay to treat cammodels as their sexual scapegoats whilst people in their real life are none the wiser. Saying it is a fantasy does not make it ok. We are merely providing a service for the customers, who are in turn "degrading and abusing" us, so it is not US, the performers or even the industry: it comes down to simple supply and demand! It is the customers think that this type of behaviour is acceptable and if they want to watch abusive material or be a part of it it is very easy for them in this day and age. If we didnt have beggers, degrading/rude customers, and this behaviour was not accepted on camsites, this would be a DREAM JOB! It is however a problem, that many camgirls allow themselves to be treated this way, do degrading shows for a few bucks and make it out to be OK because it is a fantasy. It is not ok in any situation for anyone to have to take abuse, and we all do on a daily basis, but it is not OUR fault. The many supposedly degrading/abusive/horrible acts we do perform are REQUESTED by our PAYING VIEWERS!
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I know I may get flack for this..(when don't I for having an opposing pov?) but what exactly about webcamming from home (besides the possibility of more income and more time with the children) HELPS these peoples family lives/children? If they ever get in trouble for anything adult-industry related and CPS gets involved it could cause SOOOO MUCH harm to their family. I just don't get it when people say they are giving their kids a better future via camming, when it is obvious there is a risk of LOSING your family if you produce porn in your house where children reside. I seriously don't get this mode of thinking, and can't fathom living in this LA LA land.
People really need to be honest with themselves about this, I know alot of you are mothers out there, have families, kids and SUPPORT them via working in this business, and many of you with children have expressed obvious concerns about it. Many make sure to work only when the kids are in school, cam outside of the home in a studio, and take so many precautionary measures. But so many people are not completely honest about the consequences, and these two seemed like those type of people to me: just oblivious. They state all the pro's: more money, the ability to be home for the kids more, etc...but they fail to mention the OBVIOUS CONS: The risk of losing your children, the risk of having a "predator" label put on you the rest of your life, etc.
IMHO no amount of money is worth losing your children, but yet again I do not have children myself to speak of. If I did I would do nearly anything to keep a roof over their head and food on the table, but seriously, I'd probably opt for begging for change on the side of the road rather then producing any type of porn from a location where my kids may be present.
And yes I am completely aware that mommies and daddies fuck all the time with their kids in the next room, but if you take it to the next level and want to have a business producing any kind of porn you should be prepared to take the extra steps necessary to protect your children. Once there are contracts involved and money exchanges hands you are conducting business. I look at it like this, if you were a construction worker would you feel comfortable with your kids running around in and playing in a construction zone? Probably not. So kids should probably be nowhere near a "Porn Zone." I know it sounds funny, but it is no laughing matter. There are areas in every community that are zoned for adult businesses such as stripclubs, adult bookstores, etc. Most often these are not areas zoned for residential use aka housing communities, therefore, peoples homes should not be the place where porn is produced in the first place, especially if they have children. Ok rant done but it seems to me that these two have put absolutely no thought into this, and are completely oblivious to the obvious consequences. Ignorance is bliss.
Camming from home is not an automatic ticket for having your children taken away. CPS doesn't even operate that way, trust me, I know from personal experience. (Husband's ex wife called CPS saying we put hers and my husbands daughter in danger, etc, etc, etc. Basically she's a psycho bitch from hell.) There is a HUGE misconception about the way that CPS would operate in this situation, and since you don't have kids, maybe you don't know much about what really COULD happen to them...?
The ONLY way your children are going to be taken away from you is if there is OBVIOUS PROOF that the children have been directly exposed to something inappropriate and damaging. The fact that a mother cams is NOT a one way ticket to CPS taking your kids away. Literally you would have to be camming with them in the same room for CPS to take your children away. It would have to be something that drastic.
Sure, CPS and family courts probably are not too excited that a mother cams/strips/is in porn/etc. but that does not mean that they can just swipe the kids away.
I can't speak for Berkley/Tyler but I for one would not and do not cam unless there is another adult in the house to take care of the kids while I work. I know they have said on that show they were on that they have a baby monitor on so they can hear her... that's just not a choice I would personally make. If both parents are occupied camming AKA WORKING and there is no adult to take care of the children at the drop of a hat, then that could run into some area of neglect and may get you into issues. However, probably not enough issues to have CPS run on in and take the kids away.
This is how I think of it. Camming is my JOB. I don't take my kids to work with me, and I sure don't leave my kids alone while I go off to work. This is the same that parents should view camming. If you are WORKING on cam, there NEEDS to be another adult to "baby sit" while you WORK. You don't leave the kids alone in the house while you go off to the office, don't leave them alone while you go off to your camming area to start your shift. This is a good way to make sure you are being as responsible as possible and keeping all the bases covered. Also, we don't take our kids to work with us, but my work area is my bedroom and my kids do not enter my bedroom. NO need for "hard hats" if they are not in the construction zone to begin with. I cam when they are asleep for the night or napping, WHILE THERE IS ANOTHER ADULT "BABY SITTING" (Daddy, grandma, etc.). I would suggest this route for EVERYONE with children.
The problem is that so many mothers run into camming thinking it's no big deal and they will make a quick buck and they do not take the necessary precautions to be responsible and ensure their kids are properly taken care of while they work.
I just want to add that this is not really "directed" at you cyberstripper, just a response to this type of opinion in general. Although I will tell you that I do agree that based off the show they were on, it does appear like these two do not do some of the things that they could do to be as responsible as possible. HOWEVER - shows like this LOOOOOVE to twist things around so perhaps they are taking measures that were not discussed on the show? I don't know... all I know is that every time I have peeked in on their room the girl (is that Berkley or Tyler... I have clue which is which...?) is always talking about her expensive dog or her expensive lingerie or her expensive clothes... The reason I bring this up is because if they are affording to shop for expensive clothes, I'm sure they could afford a baby sitter during the times they are BOTH on cam, and that would help a lot in terms of keeping their child "safe" and taken care of while they work. And like I said, this is good advice for anyone with kids really.
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^ I understand, the reason why I speak so passionately about this topic, although I do not have children, is because I have been a part of the foster care system.
If you are using AUDIO and your children are home, they are bound to hear at some point. If both parents are occupied, exposure to the kids increases. There is no telling what a kid could and will do when left unattended, so a baby moniter ON is not the right way to go about protecting your kids. OMG the baby moniter part really disturbed me.
It would be very easy for CPS to find proof, you are doing porn and shooting from home, your actions are on video. I would personally not cam at all from home if I had kids. You can have others watching your kids, but you are still producing porn with children in the "home office", so that doesn't work. In order to be completely safe, the kids should not be in the home at all when shooting/camming. If you have a home office, the kids should go to daycare, like they would at a normal office job. Either that or mommie and daddy should go to their office, a studio, seperate apartment, etc, were they can shoot/cam without the kids present. If your kids address is the same as any address where porn has been produced, you are taking a huge risk. You may not ultimately lose your kids or end up with the horrible title as sex offender, but you should be prepared to suffer those consequences if you chose to take the risk. This is not directed at you either, Sarah, but like I said above, the two on DR Phil just seem so oblivious and that is what truly bothers me the most, that there are people like this who exist out there who are so careless about situations like this. Their carelessness gives us all a BAD NAME!
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Well having a "home office" does not make your entire home into an office. This is what I was told directly from a CPS worker who investigated my husbands ex wife's claim: She said we are fine with me camming from home so long as there is an adult in the home to take care of the kids at all times while I am working. And obviously, don't cam with the kids in the room, etc.
I always have music playing in the background and I make sure to talk quiet enough so they don't hear things. It helps having my bedroom/cam area in a separate section of the house too.
I totally understand the worry surrounding this though. It worries me too how careless people are with it. I think a lot of people just jump into camming and don't even realize the things they are getting themselves into. Camming from home with kids can be done if done correctly and responsibly, it's just sad that a lot of people don't do it that way.
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cyberstripper
^ I understand, the reason why I speak so passionately about this topic, although I do not have children, is because I have been a part of the foster care system.
If you are using AUDIO and your children are home, they are bound to hear at some point. If both parents are occupied, exposure to the kids increases. There is no telling what a kid could and will do when left unattended, so a baby moniter ON is not the right way to go about protecting your kids. OMG the baby moniter part really disturbed me.
It would be very easy for CPS to find proof, you are doing porn and shooting from home, your actions are on video. I would personally not cam at all from home if I had kids. You can have others watching your kids, but you are still producing porn with children in the "home office", so that doesn't work. In order to be completely safe, the kids should not be in the home at all when shooting/camming. If you have a home office, the kids should go to daycare, like they would at a normal office job. Either that or mommie and daddy should go to their office, a studio, seperate apartment, etc, were they can shoot/cam without the kids present. If your kids address is the same as any address where porn has been produced, you are taking a huge risk. You may not ultimately lose your kids or end up with the horrible title as sex offender, but you should be prepared to suffer those consequences if you chose to take the risk. This is not directed at you either, Sarah, but like I said above, the two on DR Phil just seem so oblivious and that is what truly bothers me the most, that there are people like this who exist out there who are so careless about situations like this. Their carelessness gives us all a BAD NAME!
Cyberstripper , you state you don't have kids - When you do have kids you will know what's best for them - You stated this in a last post . ''I just don't get it when people say they are giving their kids a better future via camming, when it is obvious there is a risk of LOSING your family if you produce porn in your house where children reside. I seriously don't get this mode of thinking, and can't fathom living in this LA LA land.'' While I appreciate your passion, I do not think your experience with foster care came as a direct result of the warning you speak..... in the UK, you will certainly NOT , I repeat NOT NOT NOT risk losing your kids because you got dirty on webcam ! Because you produced webcam porn in the building which they reside - You stated it's a risk - let me state ... IT IS NOT . Not here , anyway .
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I know this old but I wanted to add (edit) profile to the mix.
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Well I ended up fighting with people on the facebook page, who posted comments claiming how they should focus on the negative side of what we webcam models do thent there is the websites comments it got me mad so I ended up making a youtube video about it.
The most of us webcam models speak up on what being a webcam model really is the more they will see we are real people with real lives. no one is going to ask a doctor or nurse about the dark side of their job but for being a webcam model that doesn't require education not even a high school diploma but on a good night or week we can make just as much as those doctors, lawyers and nurses do in an hour or day. they think there is something wrong with us when society is so material driven.
Thank you Minnie for sticking up for your Cam Sisters and Brothers!I know you made the comments in everyone's defense a long time ago but I still felt like I needed to let you know with more than thanking your comment. Some people are so sheltered and small minded they could never accomplish what they would only love too do and have a passion for it.
Xoxoxo
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SarahTime
Camming from home is not an automatic ticket for having your children taken away. CPS doesn't even operate that way, trust me, I know from personal experience. (Husband's ex wife called CPS saying we put hers and my husbands daughter in danger, etc, etc, etc. Basically she's a psycho bitch from hell.) There is a HUGE misconception about the way that CPS would operate in this situation, and since you don't have kids, maybe you don't know much about what really COULD happen to them...?
The ONLY way your children are going to be taken away from you is if there is OBVIOUS PROOF that the children have been directly exposed to something inappropriate and damaging. The fact that a mother cams is NOT a one way ticket to CPS taking your kids away. Literally you would have to be camming with them in the same room for CPS to take your children away. It would have to be something that drastic.
Sure, CPS and family courts probably are not too excited that a mother cams/strips/is in porn/etc. but that does not mean that they can just swipe the kids away.
I can't speak for Berkley/Tyler but I for one would not and do not cam unless there is another adult in the house to take care of the kids while I work. I know they have said on that show they were on that they have a baby monitor on so they can hear her... that's just not a choice I would personally make. If both parents are occupied camming AKA WORKING and there is no adult to take care of the children at the drop of a hat, then that could run into some area of neglect and may get you into issues. However, probably not enough issues to have CPS run on in and take the kids away.
This is how I think of it. Camming is my JOB. I don't take my kids to work with me, and I sure don't leave my kids alone while I go off to work. This is the same that parents should view camming. If you are WORKING on cam, there NEEDS to be another adult to "baby sit" while you WORK. You don't leave the kids alone in the house while you go off to the office, don't leave them alone while you go off to your camming area to start your shift. This is a good way to make sure you are being as responsible as possible and keeping all the bases covered. Also, we don't take our kids to work with us, but my work area is my bedroom and my kids do not enter my bedroom. NO need for "hard hats" if they are not in the construction zone to begin with. I cam when they are asleep for the night or napping, WHILE THERE IS ANOTHER ADULT "BABY SITTING" (Daddy, grandma, etc.). I would suggest this route for EVERYONE with children.
The problem is that so many mothers run into camming thinking it's no big deal and they will make a quick buck and they do not take the necessary precautions to be responsible and ensure their kids are properly taken care of while they work.
I just want to add that this is not really "directed" at you cyberstripper, just a response to this type of opinion in general. Although I will tell you that I do agree that based off the show they were on, it does appear like these two do not do some of the things that they could do to be as responsible as possible. HOWEVER - shows like this LOOOOOVE to twist things around so perhaps they are taking measures that were not discussed on the show? I don't know... all I know is that every time I have peeked in on their room the girl (is that Berkley or Tyler... I have clue which is which...?) is always talking about her expensive dog or her expensive lingerie or her expensive clothes... The reason I bring this up is because if they are affording to shop for expensive clothes, I'm sure they could afford a baby sitter during the times they are BOTH on cam, and that would help a lot in terms of keeping their child "safe" and taken care of while they work. And like I said, this is good advice for anyone with kids really.
Thank you!I went through a Family Court Battle and my ass ex was pressing about be being a Exotic Dancer.The judge asked me directly if I was a Dancer.
Judge: Miss NoelleNoir,Are you or have you been a Taxi Dancer? (I had too think a sec,I remembered my 90 year old Grand Mother mention that I was a Taxi Dancer before.)
Me: Yes Sir,May I explain in more detail Sir?
Judge:Yes!Yes you may! with a huge smile...
Me:I would rather stay within the Laws of NYS and dance without any Public Assistance too support my children and family.I stay within the Law and I keep my work where it needs too stay WORK!My mom or dad are not in the capabilities too help me,so I helped myself.
Judge:That Miss,is exactly what I need too hear,Good!Lets move on from that FALSE ACCUSATION!He stared very sternly at my ex and his lawyer.
My point is that I agree with you 100%,if you are responsible and take provisions its all good! Sorry you had too go through that with your Mans Wacko Ex!
XOXOXO
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cyberstripper
^ I understand, the reason why I speak so passionately about this topic, although I do not have children, is because I have been a part of the foster care system.
If you are using AUDIO and your children are home, they are bound to hear at some point. If both parents are occupied, exposure to the kids increases. There is no telling what a kid could and will do when left unattended, so a baby moniter ON is not the right way to go about protecting your kids. OMG the baby moniter part really disturbed me.
It would be very easy for CPS to find proof, you are doing porn and shooting from home, your actions are on video. I would personally not cam at all from home if I had kids. You can have others watching your kids, but you are still producing porn with children in the "home office", so that doesn't work. In order to be completely safe, the kids should not be in the home at all when shooting/camming. If you have a home office, the kids should go to daycare, like they would at a normal office job. Either that or mommie and daddy should go to their office, a studio, seperate apartment, etc, were they can shoot/cam without the kids present. If your kids address is the same as any address where porn has been produced, you are taking a huge risk. You may not ultimately lose your kids or end up with the horrible title as sex offender, but you should be prepared to suffer those consequences if you chose to take the risk. This is not directed at you either, Sarah, but like I said above, the two on DR Phil just seem so oblivious and that is what truly bothers me the most, that there are people like this who exist out there who are so careless about situations like this. Their carelessness gives us all a BAD NAME!
I am so so sorry you had too go through that,I know the foster care system is a nightmare.I know you are empathizing with the sadly many many kids in a bad situation because of their shitty parents or shitty circumstances.I can tell you that I promise you that I am going too cam responsibly with my kids in the house.Two are old enough too watch themselves and two my Mom can keep a eye on them.Not all parents are careless,I have read in other posts from Sarahtime and she is vigilant about her kids being safe and taken care of along with the other amazing parents and childless women and men on here.
I know this was from along time ago but it drives me crazy that society thinks we are all Child Abusing,Creepy Baby Rapists and Sexual Sadists,it really breaks my heart too think of one of our own feeling kinda like that.I know you didn't say them things but saying a parent is in the area of abuse and suspect JUST because of that is wrong.
So for example:CammyGirl1234 has a 4 year old kid,CG needs too work she needs too get Babyboo off too nighty night.Its 8 pm,gives babyboo a nice meal,nice bubble bath and tucks babyboo in bed for the night.It was a long fun day,Cammy took Babyboo too the zoo so babyboo was out like a light.
I see nothing wrong with this,as long as babyboo stays asleep its all good.
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I know this old but I wanted to add ciara profile to the mix.
Wow. She hasn't been on since February. I wonder where she went.
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Wow. She hasn't been on since February. I wonder where she went.
I am following her on twitter, not sure what is going on with that.
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minniesoporno
I know this old but I wanted to add ciara profile to the mix.
I went back thru this whole thread and I can't see where this model is in the mix? Can someone fill me in? Why is she being linked here? So confused lol
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I went back thru this whole thread and I can't see where this model is in the mix? Can someone fill me in? Why is she being linked here? So confused lol
Yea I feel kinda dumb saying this since youre a mod but outing is like the top thing I flag so may as well be transparent since youll see it anyway: but hey minnie that model isnt in the documentary so we cant post model names/profiles....it is against the rules? I dont think it is retroactive from the rule was instituted so may not apply to the rest of the thread but def ones new.
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I have recently been in court gaining custody of my grand kids - the CPS workers and court know i am a sex worker - mainly escort - this has been a non-issue -- years ago I had custody of two different nephews at two different times and again a non-issue -- I have a clean record and keep work separate from the kids in any way possible -- I'm sure there are states/cities that would frown upon sex work but it takes quite a bit to lose your children - we each have to do our own due diligence in protecting our home and children - but I believe that if there is no exposure most jurisdictions will not find it as grounds for removal
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I remember this thread. I think its kinda funny (not ha ha funny but more stupid funny) that people hate and are so judgmental towards camming/adult industry. Yet in the age of social media you have guys topless in profile pics, girls in their bra and panties in profile pics, and you even have people sending random strangers titty, nude, and dic pictures. Like how do you judge someone for taking their clothes off or having sex for money when your are sending, posting, taking scantily clad or nude pics and sometimes even sex videos for free.
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Am I the only one who is happy and perfectly ok with all these program's making us out to be uneducated whores who need saving?
Far better that than they know the reality. Let's just keep this to ourselves while we can shall we? I'd rather have a wonderful income and all my peers think I'm disgusting, than they all be so ok with it they jump on the bandwagon.. Now me n my liberated "sisters" are ALL sharing in that pot, and making half as much !