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Do Some Escorts Only "Hang Out"? aka Nothing Sexual
So I looked at some money that I owe, and it turns out that it's a heck of a lot more than expected. I need to do something besides stripping. My goal is an extra $1000/week, which would leave me around $700 after taxes. So...I see a thread on how to become a cam girl, but...how would I become an escort? I don't want to do anything illegal, and I def don't want to do anything sexual. And yes, I know you can get around the legal part by calling the money a donation.
I saw some posts about the site whatsyourprice.com, which interests me. The main issue I have is w/my safety concerning stalkers. I wouldn't feel comfortable with them knowing the car that I drive and where I parked. I know it could happen @the club, too, but dancers are less likely to leave @same time as customers, plus I feel more comfy on the same grounds (the club) vs. Dif restaurants/other locations.
Would I have any chance of making substantial extra income w/o doing any sexual favors?
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Despite the name of the occupation, I have never heard of an escort being hired for just "hanging out" and this being said, being an escort does involve sexual acts.
If you are looking for options where you don't have to have sexual intercourse, I would suggest you might want to get into massage.
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You should be Uber careful . Most escort ads contain some kind of disclaimer nulling any sexual service for money ..... This is obviously purely for legal reasons, but it makes it a tight rope to walk , because however clear you make it ,that you are charging for time only - There is a very HIGH chance that this will be mistaken for the usual disclaimer - Even in the case of a sensual massage ...... What you could end up with , is a very angry and out of pocket man on your hands, who will try and either get his money back , or worse still , get the service he thought he was originally paying for.......
I don't want you to get hurt - Be careful . I would actually spell out to them 'this is NOT a legal disclaimer, I am stating there is no sexual service for sale, because there really isn't , do you understand , I mean there REALLY isn't ! ''
Personally - I would recommend you not to bother , I think if you do , it will be a matter of time before you're misunderstood .
All the best .
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Originally Posted by
ukmissy
Personally - I would recommend you not to bother , I think if you do , it will be a matter of time before you're misunderstood.
+1, as such a misunderstanding could get ugly. I really wouldn't recommend running advertisements for such a service. Your best bet is to find yourself a sugar daddy and string him along without any sexual contact for as long as you can. Of course, this will likely be more effort than just putting in another shift at the club.
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Something like 99.9% of escorts provide SEX at least 2/3 of the time. Period !
This subject has been beaten to death over and over in this forum. Non-sexual escorting is so rare as to be not worth talking about.
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Originally Posted by
exotica268
Would I have any chance of making substantial extra income w/o doing any sexual favors?
In a word, no. I agree with Eric, this question has been asked numerous times and the answer is always the same... Escorts basically provide sexual favors, which is illegal - period. When you escort awhile and develop regulars, maybe you'll occasionally get an appointment that doesn't involve any sex, but that's not your position right now. If you don't want to do anything sexual or illegal, the word 'escort' should not even cross your mind.
Even if you get a few appointments, I agree that most guys will expect sex and be angry when they don't get it. Worst case scenario - they do something bad to you out of anger. Best case scenario - they leave in a huff and destroy your reputation with reviews that stop any future appointments. Even if you get a guy who completely understands that you don't do sexual favors, don't expect to be paid the same amount as an escort providing sex. Even escorts who do provide sex take awhile to build up their reputation and client base - they don't make thousands of dollars a week right out of the gate, and you do have to shell out some money just for advertising space to begin with. Basically, being a successful escort takes a lot of hard work - I truly admire the ladies who can put in the effort and pull it off. You can't just slap up a free ad on craigslist that says you "just hang out" and expect to get 4 appointments a week at $300/hr.
If it was that easy, everybody would do it.
Overall, if you're that deep in the hole - stick to what you know. Mountains of debt is not the time to try to throw time and money into new endeavors that will probably not be lucrative. Spend your extra time at the club, in front of your cam, whatever - not spending time and money you don't have to waste on leaping into a brand new business venture that will most likely fail and leave you further in debt.
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you can sell sex type "shows" much like a cam girl but as the other ladies stated - some guys get really really pissed and hostile - if you dont have alot of experience being out on your own you may find yourself in a dangerous situation - on occasion, thru escorting , you get the guys who want to wine and dine but they are harder to find - hooking a couple of sugar daddies seems like a good alternative - look in your area at high end hotels - yacht or marina bars/restaraunts - race tracks - star bucks in exclusive neighborhoods - go where they go - network who you meet to get into their circles - good luck
edited - if you can do fetish appointments you can get away with no sex
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Originally Posted by
Nikki_Fox
you can sell sex type "shows" much like a cam girl but as the other ladies stated - some guys get really really pissed and hostile - if you dont have alot of experience being out on your own you may find yourself in a dangerous situation - on occasion, thru escorting , you get the guys who want to wine and dine but they are harder to find - hooking a couple of sugar daddies seems like a good alternative - look in your area at high end hotels - yacht or marina bars/restaraunts - race tracks - star bucks in exclusive neighborhoods - go where they go - network who you meet to get into their circles - good luck
edited - if you can do fetish appointments you can get away with no sex
Um. Hmmm. Depends what state you are in. With some fetishes you can probably make an argument, maybe even a winning argument, that what you did for money was not "sex". Some states have prostitution laws with very broad definitions of what constitutes "sexual activity". Others are more restrictive in their definition so that some fetishes at least fall into a gray area.
As for the clients themselves, then YES, a lot of fetish work does not involve "sex" as most commonly understood.
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Originally Posted by
Aurora_Sunset
In a word, no. I agree with Eric, this question has been asked numerous times and the answer is always the same... Escorts basically provide sexual favors, which is illegal - period.
Not quite period - Depending where you live !
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I have done a few social escorting jobs where I accompanied a businessman to events but these are extremely rare and most were already regulars of mine. However, I would have NEVER advertised as an escort because they would assume it would include sex. Also, I wasn't paid anything like what an escort would be, nor should I. I was extremely careful when doing these to avoid any misunderstandings. There are a few legit social escorting agencies but I'm not sure I would trust most and assume they were using the "social escorting" as a cover.
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There are always girls who CLAIM to be no-sex escorts hanging around... but no one ever has a believable story/price range... ya know?
Last one I heard was a girl on here claiming she just "hangs around on nerdy message boards and sends guys sexy messages and they all JUST SO HAPPENED to live in her area and that person and then all his friends were paying her hundreds of dollars a night for social escorting"... lol Most other "social escorts" have similar ridiculous stories.
THAT SAID... are there men who will pay you to take you out? Absolutely. But MOST of the time I've heard of this and it was a legit thing... it was a stripper going out with a regular.
More often than not... even the guys who say they're JUST paying for a date, no sex, are still quite likely to expect or try to upgrade to a date with sex.
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I've never been an escort, but I can image that all of them have sex.
It sounds like you're looking for more of a sugardaddy situation. However, most sugar daddies seem to be only after inexpensive sex (i.e. they want to pay you $500 or less for 8 hours or something cheap like that instead of $500/hr or whatever escorts charge). And the "real" sugar daddies (the ones that pay you just for your time), to be honest, are wayyyyy more trouble than they are worth. They require a lot of time and energy, they're emotionally needy or passive aggressive, and they all eventually have an expiration date. And not to mention, it takes hours & hours of your time just to try to separate the real ones from the i-want-a-discount-escort-but-i-won't-admit-it ones.
I would try to work most nights dancing and maybe some doubles. Or travel dance where there's big money.
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Originally Posted by
DesuvsDeath
There are always girls who CLAIM to be no-sex escorts hanging around... but no one ever has a believable story/price range... ya know?
Last one I heard was a girl on here claiming she just "hangs around on nerdy message boards and sends guys sexy messages and they all JUST SO HAPPENED to live in her area and that person and then all his friends were paying her hundreds of dollars a night for social escorting"... lol Most other "social escorts" have similar ridiculous stories.
THAT SAID... are there men who will pay you to take you out? Absolutely. But MOST of the time I've heard of this and it was a legit thing... it was a stripper going out with a regular.
More often than not... even the guys who say they're JUST paying for a date, no sex, are still quite likely to expect or try to upgrade to a date with sex.
Sounds like we all need to hang out at nerdy message boards because I want to make the same money dating these guys that I would as a sexual escort. One time I answered an ad asking for no sex social escorts and the woman basically said whatever happens on the date was between me and him. Didn't take me long to figure that the company advertised itself as a social escorting company to stay out of trouble but was really prostitution (I never went to the interview).
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Originally Posted by
Kellydancer
One time I answered an ad asking for no sex social escorts and the woman basically said whatever happens on the date was between me and him. Didn't take me long to figure that the company advertised itself as a social escorting company to stay out of trouble but was really prostitution (I never went to the interview).
Yeah don't trust any company in the sex industry unless you know dozens of others who've had positive experiences. They do shady things. Even cam companies advertise cam girls as single and looking to date or have free sex. Businesses, especially in this industry, only care about themselves at the risk of their clients (sexworkers). They just want to make as much money as possible and not get in trouble legally, so they'll do whatever it takes to do both.
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I have heard of a few girls that "escort" guys to events or pretend they are a guys girlfriend normally a gay guy, trying to look straight. If your in a big enough city you might be able to carve out a niche market. Keep in mind you will have to make it painfully clear that no sex whatsoever will happen. Market as "Event Armcandy" "Camoflauge for gay men" "I'm a handbag not a mattress" It is a small market, I've heard some call it being a hostess instead of an escort.
Another option if you are up for a little contact. Is fetish work or domination. Some guys pay big to brush long hair or massage feet, lick boots etc etc.
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While I do have dates where its a totally non-sexual encounter..enough that its not so unusual for me anymore, I have FAR more dates that are sexual encounters. I couldnt make a living off of my non-sexual encounter dates...I get one maybe once a month now....and also usually, they are with regs, who Ive already had regular dates with and just want someone they know can handle themselves to go out and do something with.
I cant in good faith tell anyone they could make a living, or even bother trying to, by being a non-adult escort.
There just isnt enough of a market for it, there would be no money in it, and it would be a waste of time to try.
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Yes you can PROBABLY be a social escort but just don't expect even $200 an hour. Hey I only know of one girl that offers TRUE social companionship and she charges $75 an hour on her website. She also does sensual massage and lists this as an option. I wonder how many calls she gets for that....
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Sigh. There is a "niche" for social ( no-sex ) escorting. Those engagements are few and far between because the market is a limited one. And it doesn't pay that well. And a lot of dancers and escorts are not qualified for the higher end stuff. Sorry. Don't take it personally. I know some very high end ladies who do get appointments just to be arm-candy. I have posted about this numerous times and don't want to repeat myself. Please do a search.
For practical purposes non-sexual escorting is virtually non-existent.
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Yes , it is true many ladies who strip or escort are not qualified for high end stuff. But, I think there are MANY more clients who dont QUALIFY to be seen with than there are ladies who dont. :)
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I think the paying party has more right to disgruntle who he is seen with.
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Originally Posted by
Nikki_Fox
Yes , it is true many ladies who strip or escort are not qualified for high end stuff. But, I think there are MANY more clients who dont QUALIFY to be seen with than there are ladies who dont. :)
I am VERY sorry if I either did not make myself clear or inadvertently offended any dancer or escort. I thought I made myself clear but perhaps not. I have posted extensively in this forum about high end escorting and did ask that anyone seriously interested do a search. I'm sorry if I was too lazy to repeat and re-hash what has been posted before.
When I say "qualified" I was talking primarily about education and life experience. I'm sorry but most of the gals here just don't have it. I don't know if I would ; assuming I could pass the physical lol. i was referring to such things as multi-lingual ability, social graces, cultural experiences etc. The high end ladies I know don't bother with St. Tropez. Why ? Because the heavy duty money is much more likely to be in Antibes ; or Santorini over Mykonos ; Cabo over Cancun. As I've said before, these gals KNOW which is their salad fork , can tell a Monet from a Manet and a Cab from a Merlot.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
I am VERY sorry if I either did not make myself clear or inadvertently offended any dancer or escort. I thought I made myself clear but perhaps not. I have posted extensively in this forum about high end escorting and did ask that anyone seriously interested do a search. I'm sorry if I was too lazy to repeat and re-hash what has been posted before.
When I say "qualified" I was talking primarily about education and life experience. I'm sorry but most of the gals here just don't have it. I don't know if I would ; assuming I could pass the physical lol. i was referring to such things as multi-lingual ability, social graces, cultural experiences etc. The high end ladies I know don't bother with St. Tropez. Why ? Because the heavy duty money is much more likely to be in Antibes ; or Santorini over Mykonos ; Cabo over Cancun. As I've said before, these gals KNOW which is their salad fork , can tell a Monet from a Manet and a Cab from a Merlot.
Ever see My Fair Lady? It doesnt matter how what degree, how well traveled, how well read...if someone has in in them to be an oaf, they will be no matter what...if someone has it in them to be more cultured and refined they can be with the right exposure. Its about the person, thier desire and the potential they have, and how well they take to the experiences they are exposed to.
If someone wants to know the difference between cab and merlot....drink wine. If someone wants to know the difference between a Monet and a Van Gogh, go to a museum. I love the theatre, opera, the symphony...and the irony is, while I go with friends and we all save up to be able to go, or will excitedly call each other to let each other know when PBS is having a special (they have some amazing performances on there you know), I have met guys of high stature who are grateful I have people to do that with, cause they have no interest at all, and are anyway too focused on their job and vacationing...like most high powered guys are.
Anyway, high class does not equal pretentious...some of the most dignified people I have ever known were also the most gracious and down to earth. Besides, money, what you know, and who you know is not a measure of class. Either you have it..or you dont.
ETA: I do think it would be hard to say what "most" of the women on this site are like and have interest in without having a deep convo with all of them. Even so, it doesnt matter if most are or can be refined enough for that world...not everyone has an interest in it, heck, some of the people in it wish they didnt have to be and could be more casual! But of those who do want to be a part of that world, it really doesnt take all that much to educate oneself.
From the time I was a kid, I read Emily Post books (and have always kept and had Emily Post books ever since...) because I just knew I was actually a princess, and when my real family found me, I didnt want to embarrass them :D I also learned to do needlepoint and studied art and music because in my books, thats what the women in high class society did. Yeah, Im nuts heheh! But point is, even as an adult, if I want to do something, I take it on myself to learn what I need to, so that I can walk in and be confident and look like I belong. I have sat at dinner tables with over 10 utensils at my placesetting without having a panic attack, its not that hard or as big a deal as it sounds. I always smile when I see someone equate stature to salad forks...it something to eat food with and is really not that big a deal. Not like the whole table is going to applaud if you use all the right forks and spoons, or give you the side eye if you dont. Well, unless you use your ice tea spoon to eat your dessert...that would be kinda funny though :D
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Originally Posted by
BlkSharpie
Ever see My Fair Lady? It doesnt matter how what degree, how well traveled, how well read...if someone has in in them to be an oaf, they will be no matter what...if someone has it in them to be more cultured and refined they can be with the right exposure. Its about the person, thier desire and the potential they have, and how well they take to the experiences they are exposed to.
If someone wants to know the difference between cab and merlot....drink wine. If someone wants to know the difference between a Monet and a Van Gogh, go to a museum. I love the theatre, opera, the symphony...and the irony is, while I go with friends and we all save up to be able to go, or will excitedly call each other to let each other know when PBS is having a special (they have some amazing performances on there you know), I have met guys of high stature who are grateful I have people to do that with, cause they have no interest at all, and are anyway too focused on their job and vacationing...like most high powered guys are.
Anyway, high class does not equal pretentious...some of the most dignified people I have ever known were also the most gracious and down to earth. Besides, money, what you know, and who you know is not a measure of class. Either you have it..or you dont.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
I am VERY sorry if I either did not make myself clear or inadvertently offended any dancer or escort. I thought I made myself clear but perhaps not. I have posted extensively in this forum about high end escorting and did ask that anyone seriously interested do a search. I'm sorry if I was too lazy to repeat and re-hash what has been posted before.
When I say "qualified" I was talking primarily about education and life experience. I'm sorry but most of the gals here just don't have it. I don't know if I would ; assuming I could pass the physical lol. i was referring to such things as multi-lingual ability, social graces, cultural experiences etc. The high end ladies I know don't bother with St. Tropez. Why ? Because the heavy duty money is much more likely to be in Antibes ; or Santorini over Mykonos ; Cabo over Cancun. As I've said before, these gals KNOW which is their salad fork , can tell a Monet from a Manet and a Cab from a Merlot.
Eric Stoner, You may want to just stop posting. You are clueless. You are not an escort. Unless you are a high end escort yourself, you shouldn't be posting such nonsense. There's a high end escort that charges $12,000 a day minimum that stays busy AND strips at Penthouse NYC. There ya go, proved you wrong.
BlkSharpie, Spot on ;)
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Originally Posted by
BlkSharpie
Ever see My Fair Lady? It doesnt matter how what degree, how well traveled, how well read...if someone has in in them to be an oaf, they will be no matter what...if someone has it in them to be more cultured and refined they can be with the right exposure. Its about the person, thier desire and the potential they have, and how well they take to the experiences they are exposed to.
If someone wants to know the difference between cab and merlot....drink wine. If someone wants to know the difference between a Monet and a Van Gogh, go to a museum. I love the theatre, opera, the symphony...and the irony is, while I go with friends and we all save up to be able to go, or will excitedly call each other to let each other know when PBS is having a special (they have some amazing performances on there you know), I have met guys of high stature who are grateful I have people to do that with, cause they have no interest at all, and are anyway too focused on their job and vacationing...like most high powered guys are.
Anyway, high class does not equal pretentious...some of the most dignified people I have ever known were also the most gracious and down to earth. Besides, money, what you know, and who you know is not a measure of class. Either you have it..or you dont.
ETA: I do think it would be hard to say what "most" of the women on this site are like and have interest in without having a deep convo with all of them. Even so, it doesnt matter if most are or can be refined enough for that world...not everyone has an interest in it, heck, some of the people in it wish they didnt have to be and could be more casual! But of those who do want to be a part of that world, it really doesnt take all that much to educate oneself.
From the time I was a kid, I read Emily Post books (and have always kept and had Emily Post books ever since...) because I just knew I was actually a princess, and when my real family found me, I didnt want to embarrass them :D I also learned to do needlepoint and studied art and music because in my books, thats what the women in high class society did. Yeah, Im nuts heheh! But point is, even as an adult, if I want to do something, I take it on myself to learn what I need to, so that I can walk in and be confident and look like I belong. I have sat at dinner tables with over 10 utensils at my placesetting without having a panic attack, its not that hard or as big a deal as it sounds. I always smile when I see someone equate stature to salad forks...it something to eat food with and is really not that big a deal. Not like the whole table is going to applaud if you use all the right forks and spoons, or give you the side eye if you dont. Well, unless you use your ice tea spoon to eat your dessert...that would be kinda funny though :D
And how many appointments for "non-sexual' companionship do you get ? Where have you been flown to ? How often ?
You said "pretentious". I didn't. I just put out a slice of the Real World for consideration and contemplation. And since I have YEARS of experience working for the very type of men involved and know a number of high end ladies PERSONALLY, I think I know wtf I am talking about. If you have more REAL life experience in this particular area, please share for everyone's benefit. You can READ as many books as you like. I'm sorry but it doesn't substitute for real life experience.
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Originally Posted by
Lovelyme
Eric Stoner, You may want to just stop posting. You are clueless. You are not an escort. Unless you are a high end escort yourself, you shouldn't be posting such nonsense. There's a high end escort that charges $12,000 a day minimum that stays busy AND strips at Penthouse NYC. There ya go, proved you wrong.
BlkSharpie, Spot on ;)
Not a word you posted PROVED anything. I know of several PEC ladies who are high end escorts. So what ? It ain't just the price tag. We were talking about high end NON-Sexual escorting. If you suck and fuck you can make huge money assuming that's your thing. That is NOT what we were talking about.
I'm sorry, but I've seen enough of the real world including BOTH the skin biz and the escort biz to KNOW that anyone who thinks they can make consistent money for NON-sexual escorting is probably deluding themselves.
Btw, $12,000 a day ? Is that all ? One high end lady I know gets $20,000 for a full day , $35,000 for a weekend. Once again, "proving" nothing. I know a couple others who get $5,000 per HOUR. Do the math. Again, so what ?