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I have a few friends who participated on the international beauty pageant circuits a few years back that charge for non-sexual escorts. One particular lady charges her businessmen ten grand for her dates - no sex involved. She is trading on the fact that she has a satin sash that says "Miss SO and SO" though. IN the real everyday world, if you do get a non-sexual booking, don't expect anything more than $100 for the entire date.
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Originally Posted by
ConchCutie
I have a few friends who participated on the international beauty pageant circuits a few years back that charge for non-sexual escorts. One particular lady charges her businessmen ten grand for her dates - no sex involved. She is trading on the fact that she has a satin sash that says "Miss SO and SO" though. IN the real everyday world, if you do get a non-sexual booking, don't expect anything more than $100 for the entire date.
Really ? I know of one former Miss USA and two former Miss Universe's who got $25,000 an hour but they all had to suck and fuck to get it.
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Yeah - from what I remember the last dude was one of those African oil guys. She didn't trust him to pay so I remember there was some sort of escrow involved somehow. He wanted her for some dinner date appointment in Europe. I wasn't on the date so I can't swear that no bodily fluids were exchanged on that occasion.
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I happen to have social graces and that was somewhat offensive, basically implying that dancers all come from low class families. While my family doesn't have money (though are far from poor)my ancestors do and in fact I claim ancestry to almost every royal house in Europe. I do know the difference between Monet and Manet and do know the various forks. My parents made me take a class in etiquette. I do speak other languages, some better than others, because my family insisted on this (though I only claim English and a high level of Spanish). I do know the various forms of wine as well. I do go to museums and places of culture often. I have seen various classical orchestras in concert, including the world famous Chicago Symphony Orchestra and know the difference between Baroque and Classical. I am well read as well and know the differences between the authors.
Does this mean I can be a high end escort? no idea but like I said I have done some social escorting for clients. Not that this matters but I have attended various social functions in the past on my own through various jobs. I was invited to the opening of the Radio Hall of Fame, probably not as high end as we are talking here, but many of the who's who were invited.
Like I said upthread no this isn't a very common job because most guys expect sexual escorts. I have no problem with that because that is true. My problem was this idea that being a dancer means one comes from a lower income family with no social graces and that isn't true.
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Yes Kelly, I agree. By the standard mentioned before, over half of the population in general would not qualify. Number of post does not excuse an offensive generalization.Over the years I have worked with many ladies, some educated and classy , some are not. Not all high end clients are respectful gentlemen. Some are rude, condescending, drink to much, and like to brag to others that they have paid for your time, and in general are an embarrasment to be in public with. High end does not always mean a great customer or escort.
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Eric Stoner
And how many appointments for "non-sexual' companionship do you get ?
I already answered that in my previous post. My last post was addressing you putting down most of the women here regarding not being high-class enough to be in certain social situations.
Where have you been flown to ? How often ?
I havnt been an escort for even a year yet, and have only started as a traveling companion about 3 or 4 months ago, so my experience as an escort is nothing compared to someone who has been doing this for awhile. I started out small, with a trip to Anna Maria Island, then Key West, last month I was in Mexico, I have a trip planned for Sweden this summer and another to Italy. I know you'll put that down somehow whether you think thats to your standard or not doesnt matter to me, what matters to me is that I get to do what I love, and I am.
Previously I was a sugarbaby, and only was with one guy who I traveled with to Europe quite a bit, and on my own I've been to Asia. I know I can go anywhere, and be in any situation without feeling intimidated.
You said "pretentious". I didn't. I just put out a slice of the Real World for consideration and contemplation.
Well yeah, to me the "salad fork" reference is funny...no one worth their weight in gold is pretentious enough to care if you use the wrong fork at dinner. Worst case scenario is...someone will lean over and say "use that one" and now you know for next time. Its just not as big a deal as people who havnt been in that situation think it is. They're just eating utensils...:D
And since I have YEARS of experience working for the very type of men involved and know a number of high end ladies PERSONALLY, I think I know wtf I am talking about.
Well definitely, my apologies.. I had no idea that you were an escort and have been personally involved with entertaining and pleasing men. Now that I know you have years of direct experience doing that and with these type of men, then I can only say that we have just had different experiences
If you have more REAL life experience in this particular area, please share for everyone's benefit. You can READ as many books as you like. I'm sorry but it doesn't substitute for real life experience.
You can put down reading books and educating onesself all you want, but its my love of books, what I read about the world around me, and being inspired to experience it for myself that I put myself in the position to gain the real world experience that I have. Im not tying to impress anyone, Im just trying to live life to the fullest by my standards.
I also think that broad sweeping generalizations of that most women in our field arent good enough to be in certain situations is crass. I think that anyone with the desire and motivation can put her mind to being where she wants to be and experience what she wants with the right exposure. And if that exposure comes from books, pbs, visits to the library, whatever it may be, so that she can speak intelligently about something that interests her, and open up opportunities to her...she should and can make it happen.
Fair enough?! ;D
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You know Eric, I got to thinking about this some more and maybe we are just talking about different types of men here. Of course someone with your extensive experience you keep mentioning with men, knows that theres no "one type" even among the classes.
Now, Im more used to and comfortable with corporate types, and most of the men Ive had experience with are European, since for some reason European men love me ;D CEO's, Intl businessmen, entrepreneurs, lawyers, etc...thats the type and world that I can slip into the easiest.
Now, guys in the entertainment industry are totally different, and sound more like the "type" you talk about, who would make a big deal out of what fork to use, and then some. Everything is about image, not who you are, or what you know, but who you know and how you appear to be. And for a companion, they are an extension of the guy they're with so everything has to be perfect and just so...and yeah, that is hard to fake. You're either on point or nothing to them.
Being in Miami, Im surrounded by and know very well the type of guy you are talking about. I was knee deep in that for about 3 years, not professionally, but I dated a guy in the music industry and he works with some of the biggest names in the biz so I was all in. Our only arguments came after social outings, because my face is an open book, and when people were standing around talking, I couldnt wipe the "are you for real?/you are so full of shit" look off my face :D It was like being in an episode of Entourage meets Housewives of Orange County, truly unbelievable that there are people actually like that. Im sure the sports world wouldnt be much different either in that you have to have that experience to be able to impress them and fit in with them. Thats how a lot of people around here are in general anyway, but in pubic eye industries, its on a whole other level.
I dont have the patience to be with that type of guy anyway, so its good that you do and know that type well enough, and have the experience to be a companion to those guys... Theres someone for everyone in this business.
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I'll try this one last time :
1. I meant no offense.
2. Some of you are deliberately misunderstanding me. Being a high end social escort is about more than just "class" , "social graces" , "upbringing" and a host of other things.Most of it has to do with EXPERIENCE and ATTITUDE. If a multi-millionaire just wants sex there are plenty of places for him to go. If he wants to boost his ego by being with a Playmate, Porn Star, former beauty queen , published model or legit actress, he can do that if he wants to spend the money. If he wants a social companion for CERTAIN parties and functions who is more than just arm candy, his choices are somewhat more limited. It's an admittedly inexact guesstimate but I doubt if such engagements represent more than .5 % of the total escort business being conducted.
3. No, I haven't been an escort. I have repeatedly refused to post about my experiences in this area beyond the vague and oblique. I HAVE been with super-rich guys because I was being paid to protect them and guide them around the Tri-State area and in Florida. And yes, sometimes they were with ahem "companions". And I know a lot more escorts than some of you do. I don't mind the ladies who have actual experience questioning or taking issue with some of what I have to say. It does get a little tedious when one or two who admit that they do not and haven't escorted decide to pile on.
4. The original subject was NON-SEXUAL escorting i.e. social escorting. It has come up numerous times and numerous times it has been parked where it belongs : In the dust-bin of delusions and fantasies. If some of you want to think that this is a serious option for you, please be my guest. I wish you the best of luck. You will probably need it.
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Geezus STOP! Why do you men feel the need to get into our conversations? Do you have a pussy? If not, Have you ever sold some dick? If not, please hush. Your posts are annoying.
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That's not fair ^ There is no forum rule to Say Eric can't post here, don't use the fact he's male to send him away .
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ukmissy
That's not fair ^ There is no forum rule to Say Eric can't post here, don't use the fact he's male to send him away .
It's OK Missy. I don't take it personally. Obviously, without intending to, I struck a nerve.
They're right. I'm wrong. There are LOTS of openings out there for "social companions". No sex or experience of any kind required. No languages , no degree , no passport ? No Problem. Top $ paid. Next they'll come up with escort work where you don't even have to leave your house. Oh wait a minute. They already have that, don't they ? It's called camming. Whateverrrrr .
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
It's OK Missy. I don't take it personally. Obviously, without intending to, I struck a nerve.
They're right. I'm wrong. There are LOTS of openings out there for "social companions". No sex or experience of any kind required. No languages , no degree , no passport ? No Problem. Top $ paid. Next they'll come up with escort work where you don't even have to leave your house. Oh wait a minute. They already have that, don't they ? It's called camming. Whateverrrrr .
Its not even that. You saw above where I said very little of my business is non-sexual, and then for whatever reason, asked me again. Yeah, I do take offense to you making a broad derogatory generalization of the women on this site, but I feel that way about generalizations no matter what the subject.
You said it yourself...it takes real world experience. Just reading or hearing about something is not the same as actually being in that situation and experiencing it for yourself. You mentioned you had years of experience, and even said its tedious when someone who hasnt escorted piled on any input...I doubt your calling yourself tedious.
My point about social escorting was just that anyone is capable if they have the desire it takes to put themselves in the position to come across the opportunity. I stand by it that there is not a market for social escorting, but within what I do, there are chances for it to happen. I personally have been a traveling companion, dinner companion, attended meetings and functions with men as their date, both in my personal and professional life...and yet I do not think Im better than someone who hasnt, or have any authority over anyone to say what they are or are not capable of. Rather, I think that evey woman who wants to, can experience what I have, and go on to blow me out of the water, because in the grand scheme of things, Ive experienced quite a bit in this past year, yet havnt even touched the surface.
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BlkSharpie
Its not even that. You saw above where I said very little of my business is non-sexual, and then for whatever reason, asked me again. Yeah, I do take offense to you making a broad derogatory generalization of the women on this site, but I feel that way about generalizations no matter what the subject.
You said it yourself...it takes real world experience. Just reading or hearing about something is not the same as actually being in that situation and experiencing it for yourself. You mentioned you had years of experience, and even said its tedious when someone who hasnt escorted piled on any input...I doubt your calling yourself tedious.
My point about social escorting was just that anyone is capable if they have the desire it takes to put themselves in the position to come across the opportunity. I stand by it that there is not a market for social escorting, but within what I do, there are chances for it to happen. I personally have been a traveling companion, dinner companion, attended meetings and functions with men as their date, both in my personal and professional life...and yet I do not think Im better than someone who hasnt, or have any authority over anyone to say what they are or are not capable of. Rather, I think that evey woman who wants to, can experience what I have, and go on to blow me out of the water, because in the grand scheme of things, Ive experienced quite a bit in this past year, yet havnt even touched the surface.
You are literally trying to manufacture a disagreement between us over nothing more than a poor choice of words on my part. I pled GUILTY. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
You said it yourself. You "came across the opportunity"; " there are chances for it to happen" and you've had some experience. Fine. That's great. Good for you. R E A D what Y O U wrote.You also admit that it is the EXCEPTION and not the rule and is far outweighed by other kinds of work. Correct ? So when you dd get such gigs it was more like "found money". Part of kismet. Correct ?
The kind of thing I have been talking about pays well , does not involve sex per se and is almost always done by PRIVATE Referral. In fact, a ladyfriend of mine tried, really TRIED to have an agency just for Social Escorting. She was wired into both the guys and the gals. Here, in Europe and in Israel. You know what happened ? She got one or two appointments a MONTH. With about eight (8 ) ladies in her portfolio. There just wasn't enough demand. So she tried cutting prices from about $500 an hour to $300 and business picked up a little but not enough to make it pay. Not for her. Not for the ladies working for her. So she gave up and just folded it into her other agency.
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i find it baffling that men on a sex work site go so far out of their way to belittle the sex workers here.
to the op, social escorting has had a handful of threads but i don't think most women who do it as a structured business venture make that much money off of it. it's probably harder to advertise a sixty minute dinner for $500 than to meet a regular for dinner for $500 for the hour. honestly, getting money from regulars is much easier than advertising to strangers, and this is a nice way to supplement your income. i would not meetup otc to hang out for less.
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Eric Stoner
You are literally trying to manufacture a disagreement between us over nothing more than a poor choice of words on my part. I pled GUILTY. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Off topic, but to "literally manufacture disagreements", would be me, in a factory manufacturing disagreements....hehe!!! But I digress, no Im not trying to do anything of the sort. I appreciate that you realize you used poor choice of words. The unfortunate thing with a forum is that all we have to represent ourselves is our words, so choosing them carefully is important, especially when there is a disagreement, since all I can react and respond to, are the words you choose to use.
You said it yourself. You "came across the opportunity"; " there are chances for it to happen" and you've had some experience. Fine. That's great. Good for you.
R E A D what Y O U wrote. You also admit that it is the EXCEPTION and not the rule and is far outweighed by other kinds of work.
I said that?! :O Woah!! Please quote the post where I said that, and I will accept and embrace your condescending caps/spaces and implication I am so illiterate I cannot read the very words I write..because I dont believe I ever admitted "exception and not the rule" ..that doesnt even sound like something I would write....I cant remember the last time I even used that phrase and I definitely dont yell at people in caps to get my point across...that would be really rude of me :D
Correct ? So when you dd get such gigs it was more like "found money". Part of kismet. Correct ?
Not correct. When I said chance, you know I did not mean it in the way that it happened *by* chance, but that I had the chance as in opportunity. It certainly is not like found money, which is always money that one did nothing for except to happen to be at the right place at the right time to pick it up. I was very clear about it that I would not have had the opportunity if I did not put myself in the position to come across it. *By* chance would be one guy who just happened to take me somewhere. Thats not the case here.
If I did not take it upon myself to expose myself to certain ways of life through books (which you scoffed at!) watching pbs, going to museums, the theatre, opera, etc... (I am so sure I mentioned all of this) then I would not have been able to carry myself, or speak intelligently enough to appear and be well rounded enough for a guy to even say to himself "you know what? I would love to take this girl to blah blah blah" and then offer me the opportunity to do so. It happened because I knew what I wanted out of this, prepared, marketed and presented myself in a way to make it happen.
The kind of thing I have been talking about pays well , does not involve sex per se and is almost always done by PRIVATE Referral. In fact, a ladyfriend of mine tried, really TRIED to have an agency just for Social Escorting. She was wired into both the guys and the gals. Here, in Europe and in Israel. You know what happened ? She got one or two appointments a MONTH. With about eight (8 ) ladies in her portfolio. There just wasn't enough demand. So she tried cutting prices from about $500 an hour to $300 and business picked up a little but not enough to make it pay. Not for her. Not for the ladies working for her. So she gave up and just folded it into her other agency.
I can totally see that. As Ive said before, and now for the third time this thread (Im starting to think you just like to see me agree with you :D) theres no market for social escorting. Social dates can happen alongside traditional escorting with sexual involvement, but on its own, I dont see it happening.
Oh look! a beaver! :beaver:
;D
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I wish you the best of luck in all your endeavors. Buona fortuna.
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As I've already said, Eric please go hang out in another thread. You've dug your own grave in this one.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Stoner
It's OK Missy. I don't take it personally. Obviously, without intending to, I struck a nerve.
They're right. I'm wrong. There are LOTS of openings out there for "social companions". No sex or experience of any kind required. No languages , no degree , no passport ? No Problem. Top $ paid. Next they'll come up with escort work where you don't even have to leave your house. Oh wait a minute. They already have that, don't they ? It's called camming. Whateverrrrr .
And you keep putting words in our mouths, it's annoying.
No one said there were lots of openings for social escorts.
Please quote where that was said? You can't.
Done.
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Originally Posted by
Lovelyme
And you keep putting words in our mouths, it's annoying.
No one said there were lots of openings for social escorts.
Please quote where that was said? You can't.
Done.
I am so sorry you can't take a joke or handle a little sarcasm. Please feel better. Try putting your feet up and applying a cool compress.
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Guilty pleas followed by a paragraph full of sacarasm - hmmm -
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Guilty pleas followed by a paragraph full of sacarasm - hmmm -
"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" lol. Kidding. Just kidding.
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Lovelyme
And you keep putting words in our mouths, it's annoying.
No one said there were lots of openings for social escorts.
Please quote where that was said? You can't.
Done.
Hehehe! True... Thats what I said.
Hes not going to answer your question either, cause he cant.
Reminds me of someone I know who argued the exact same way...
"you said blah blah blah and thats wrong!"
"When did I say that?!"
"Well uh..nevermind, thats not the point"
"um..you brought it up and mad at me for something I didnt say. I just want some clarification here"
"Why you gotta bring up old shit? Thats history!"
"One minute ago is history?"
"YES!"
:D
Everytime he made stuff up to back up his argument, and Id call him out on it, hed pout, end the conversation and not want to talk about it anymore. I have no issues standing by what I say, so its frustrating to talk to someone who cant do that. But ahhhh well. Men lie, what else is new in the world :D
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BlkSharpie
Hehehe! True... Thats what I said.
Hes not going to answer your question either, cause he cant.
Reminds me of someone I know who argued the exact same way...
"you said blah blah blah and thats wrong!"
"When did I say that?!"
"Well uh..nevermind, thats not the point"
"um..you brought it up and mad at me for something I didnt say. I just want some clarification here"
"Why you gotta bring up old shit? Thats history!"
"One minute ago is history?"
"YES!"
:D
Everytime he made stuff up to back up his argument, and Id call him out on it, hed pout, end the conversation and not want to talk about it anymore. I have no issues standing by what I say, so its frustrating to talk to someone who cant do that. But ahhhh well. Men lie, what else is new in the world :D
This is ridiculous. You are so perceptive and so socially adept that you can't tell a joke when it's posted ???? I was admittedly being sarcastic ,for Pete's sake. I NEVER said that you said there were "lots of openings" or anything like it. Please quote where I EVER said that is what YOU said.
BUT here's what you DID post : " My point about social escorting was just that ANYONE is capable if they have the desire it takes to put themselves in the position to come across the opportunity. " Really ? "Anyone" can do it ?Just like that , huh ?. Just be in the right place at the right time, according to you. Right ? Who knew it was that easy ?
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Eric Stoner
This is ridiculous. You are so perceptive and so socially adept that you can't tell a joke when it's posted ???? I was admittedly being sarcastic ,for Pete's sake. I NEVER said that you said there were "lots of openings" or anything like it. Please quote where I EVER said that is what YOU said.
Please quote where I accused you of saying "there were lots of openings" :D You must be confusing me with someone else because this whole thread, I have not wavered from agreeing with you on it that there's no market for it. Actually, that's now the 4th time Im saying it. 8)
BUT here's what you DID post : " My point about social escorting was just that ANYONE is capable if they have the desire it takes to put themselves in the position to come across the opportunity. " Really ? "Anyone" can do it ?Just like that , huh ?. Just be in the right place at the right time, according to you. Right ? Who knew it was that easy ?
Please quote me where did I say just be at the right place at the right time? According to me, and I quote! ;D
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Not correct. When I said chance, you know I did not mean it in the way that it happened *by* chance, but that I had the chance as in opportunity. It certainly is not like found money, which is always money that one did nothing for except to happen to be at the right place at the right time to pick it up. I was very clear about it that I would not have had the opportunity if I did not put myself in the position to come across it. *By* chance would be one guy who just happened to take me somewhere. Thats not the case here.
Ohh okay, I said the phrase "right place at the right time" as you quote me as saying, but it seems you misunderstood me. What I meant is...It certainly is not like found money, which is always money that one did nothing for except to happen to be at the right place at the right time to pick it up. :)
Anywayzlies..now that I know you have only been joking about everything all along then...:D:D You're funny!!! :joke:
...but Im bored with this now.
Lets agree, to disagree, even though we agree :D and call it a day.
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Thank goodness I was away for the majority of this. ugh