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Very Disappointed at the top models right now
I was looking on streamate to see if It was worth working lastnight when I saw women that I respected when It came to there hustle lower there standards to doing gold shows that were as low as a dollar shaking and giving all they got to not even making half the goal and dong the show anyway..Is this what we come down too? Has camming gone that bad that we have to settle for the scraps that the guys give us? Or do we make the rules and stand by them? I dont know what do you girls think? honestly for me I feel Like I could make more money stripping at a topless club in a main city thats 3 hours away from me, than work on cam where I give away more for crazy cheap to compete with girls that gave up on their worth..Not trying to start drama but I think we need a little reminder that WERE IN CONTROL!! If every girl charged least a dollar a MINUTE instead for the whole show...we would all bank..just my two sense..I think if it doesnt get any better..Im going to have to strip!
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I don't know who you are talking about.... but last night I did shows for $3 for 6 minutes last night and set my goals to $150...if I made it to $100 I took the show. Normally my "standard" goal is $100 so this was just a way to make it appear to the guys as tho I was cutting them a "break" on reaching the goal when really my goal was $100 all along.
Point is... the top models are the top models for a reason... they make the most money in the time they are online. They are there to make money, not to change some kind of camming standard. I don't know if I'm considered a "top model" but I know I'm always in the first two rows and was in the first row most of last night.... I'm there to make money. I do what I need to to make it.
I hope this doesn't turn into yet another argument thread about rates and what not. :(
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I'm not on that site but I agree with what you are saying. I think girls are feeling too competitive to just make SOMETHING instead of getting what they deserve for it.
I don't do a lot of show for free. I'll sit in my bra, smile, chat, maybe jiggle the boobs a bit to entice but if they can get it cheap they will!
If every cam girl out there stopped giving it up for close to or nothing we would all see a big sky rocket of income. If they want it free or for close to nothing..there's free porn out there for that. They don't NEED us to be giving it up, but we do need them to pay!
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Im not trying to offend or start an arguement but I saw what I saw..I also see some of the top girls going down on the placement and seeing girls Ive never seen in my life take thier spot..The placement Is all out of wack..and Thats my point sarah "We'll do what we have to do to make it", I understand that more than anybody...But at what price? The top models wernt doing that b4? Why are some starting now? Im thinking its a sign of things to come
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You're right, they weren't doing that before. I was looking back in my earnings and when I first started gold shows all my shows were OVER $1 per minute and I made my goals very easy. But, right now guys just are not paying that and we as camgirls still need to pay our bills, so we have to adapt to changes. I honestly think it's going to get better again, it always has in all my years in this camming/adult industry it goes thru cycles.
As far as top models spots being replaced by other girls you have never seen before... I have noticed that too. And I think that may have to do with what I was just saying which is that if you are sticking your ground and refusing to adjust to the current trends/changes/etc. your income is going to drop and in turn your placement is going to drop as well. Girls willing to adjust and adapt are going to make more overall, maybe they have to work longer hours, but they will get the good placement in turn.
I think part of being "good" at this job is being able to gauge your audience and get a feel for what is going to work on any particular night. Some nights I have to go cheap, some nights I can go higher. It's never the same all the time.
I got good placement by working to get it, and I don't intend on losing it anytime soon.
Example: last night was SLOOOW. Decent traffic but no one doing privates or anything. Lots of gold shows going on. I just cannot sit there for an hour and make nothing, so I had to improvise. I had to do what it takes because when my bills come in, I can't just tell my land lord or my internet company, "Sorry, I'm worth so much more but I just couldn't get the guys to pay it, sooo.... sorry I can't pay you."
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I understand completely where you're coming from, but just keep in mid there is enough to go around. I'm a very bright side of the day type of person :). Some top models feel the squeeze and gotta do what they gotta do and some don't. You don't even know if they're making a fraction of what they did before, or if it takes a lot longer to get to their daily goals. Some just had to adapt to the bullshit that is gold shows just like the rest of us. Keep working hard, and do you're best not to view in their rooms. Only one top girls I like does gold shows and her last show was at least $1.46 a min, she doesn't take shit either. Only thing is she usually has a high goal (maybe 300 or 400) and about 60% of the time she doesn't get there. Point is keep working hard.
Ladies we have to stop integrating the service that we sell with ourselves.
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I was doing shows for $3 for 5mins last night too. I also had lower than normal goals (normally my goals are $150-200). But, the reason I lowered my buy in was because I wasn't doing a full show. I've actually noticed that raising my buy ins has helped recently just as much as lowering them. When I'm back doing 'full' shows I'll be going back to 1for1
But, gold shows definitely are not what they were. When they first started it was very easy to get 50-80 guys join in. Now, I tend to only get 20-40.
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Last night may have been slow for a lot of women, it was for me. When it is slow people do whatever they can to make their goal so it doesn't surprise me. Not necessarily a bad thing.
I sit in the 1st and 2nd rows almost every night as well and I do whatever I need to to hit my goals. I was doing a 2$ gold show last night for 5 minutes... whatever works.
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I cam non-nude charge high rates and make them without a problem. I don't think what other girls are charging is a huge deal. I know many vanilla ladies charge less and yet may make more than me. It's about selling yourself. Make the guy want you. Sell who you are make yourself unique and stand out, because the truth is if we all charge 9.99/min there would still be girls who banked and girls who didn't based on their looks, sales ability, business savvy, etc. I think price is the easy target, but different prices target different markets.
McDonald's, TGI Fridays, and Fogo de Chao all sell beef, but they sell to different markets.
PS I don't think the price people charge has anything to do with how they value themselves. There isn't a dollar amount to be put on anyone's worth. The girl is pricing the service she provides, that service is not her personal worth.
Example: I took a call on NF last night 11.99/min. I turn my lines that high when I don't want calls because I think most people will decide that my conversation will not be worth 11.99/min. This guy felt it was though. I normally charge 1.99/min phone 3.99/min cam. None of these prices reflect my value as a human being. They reflect the amount I can charge for my service that yields the greatest profit. That's what pricing is about not personal worth. I think if you tie up your personal worth in this or any job things become problematic.
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When it comes to paying ur bills sometimes you have to take it. I mean yesterday I was doing the same exact thing goal wise because I cant afford to be online and make nothing because of the principle. My rent is 1371 and due next Sat... lol you do the math 20-30 (my cut) or $$$$$$$0
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i charged my normal rates last night and made my goal. i don't do gold shows. it took me longer than normal but i still did it.
you really can't worry about what other girls are doing. think of all the money you lost out on bby watching other girls make money.
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I did gold shows I thought I would never do. Experimenting what other girls they claim they make. Everyone across the board from customers to models where shocked. I told everyone...this is only a experiment. Members where telling others "she never does this, get it while you can". I start a gold show no matter what. People will join. I kept the price the same for each show and played with minutes. Every show averaged the same price no matter how many minutes I added or subtracted. I had hit my personal goal this week & last night logged on for two hours to play with this experiment.
When I talk to my members they say they buy shows for that price, a local sex shop..most the men buy gold shows at low prices. The experiment was worth it. I had a ton of fun, I did nothing that girls do in free chat (masturbate, pussy flash to reach goal).
So lets say only half filled up going in..$is$...once in OMG they would not stop dinging in. Im a very sexual person so sexual acts, strip tease, I love it. One show I came out making $164 for 8 mins. $164 was my cut for those 8 mins. That is 20.5 a MINUTE!
I ate my words last night when I saw how much was made, I will never again trip on a model for charging a buck, 2 or 3. They have my love and respect.
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That is so awesome temptingmodel. I've always poo-poohed gold shows but have secretly been afraid of them. On the other hand I have some serious bills to pay so I'm reconsidering my reservations about doing them.
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I will say DO NOT make a habit of it unless it truly works for you. I was experimenting so I had regulars and new men/women. Im glad I finally got the "WONDER IF THEY MAKE MONEY" out of my head. Now, if this is regular..do they still make money? I told my custis this was a treat and they will never know when I do it ;)
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blkschoolgirl
That is so awesome temptingmodel. I've always poo-poohed gold shows but have secretly been afraid of them. On the other hand I have some serious bills to pay so I'm reconsidering my reservations about doing them.
I would reconsider :)
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I wonder how many top models from SM are actually on this forum.
because if they are not here, you might as well talk to a wall....
Not that they would care anyway.. apparently.. everyone charges whatever the want regardless of how many motivational inspirational and " we can do it!" threads are around here and in verified.
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I have no idea regarding chicas here who aren't open about their cam identities, but I do know that when I log into sm to do my members ish I see a ton of familiar names and faces in the top few rows. Granted, this is an anecdotal observation, but it would appear that among the top 5-10% of sm cam-chicas, a large percentage of them are sw members as well
Alot of chicas here are mad successful cammers, probably because forums of this sort attract the types of chicas who take this job seriously
whatever rates they charge, it's obviously working
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McDonald's, TGI Fridays, and Fogo de Chao all sell beef, but they sell to different markets.
This was precisely my point from yesterday's ( now deleted ) thread about an 'unusual' new camgirl who happens to have 'world record' big boobs. The same point has been made in the past about 'well known' porn girls. That point, of course, is that 'professionals' from other aspects of the adult entertainment industry are migrating to camming in increasing numbers. And those 'professionals' are increasingly attracting the attention as well as the big spending of 'Fogo de Chao' webcam customers !!!
From various other threads like 'Camming Quiet' as well as other Dollar Den threads, we also know that there is a growing divide between the 1% highest earners and the remaining 99%. We also know that rising gasoline / energy prices, rising taxes, rising food prices etc. are absorbing more 'discretionary spending' out of the weekly budgets of the 99%. Those hardest hit are the middle class i.e. the 'TGI Fridays' webcam customers. It is this group of 'TGI Fridays' webcam customers who has traditionally spent money on the top rated 'amateur' webcam models.
With less 'discretionary spending' money being available, webcam hosts have responded by changing their business model to allow camgirls to lower their prices, but to also effectively generate more than one revenue stream at the same time for the webcam host. This lower priced, multiple paying customer at the same time, business model is clearly targeted at 'MacDonalds' webcam customers ... which originally included the bottom half of the 99%, and now includes an increasing number of former 'TGI Fridays' webcam customers from the top half of the 99% who no longer have much 'discretionary income' available. However, when you compare the selling points of 'MacDonalds' products versus 'TGI Fridays' products, in general 'quality' matters less than 'quantity'.
Which leads back to the original point. Arguably, todays top 'amateur' camgirls are being pressured from the top side by a steadily increasing number of adult industry 'professionals' ... who can offer name recognition, physical attributes, customer perception of 'extra value' etc. that 'amateur' camgirls cannot match. Also, arguably, todays top 'amateur' camgirls are being pressured from the bottom side by a growing number of other 'amateur' camgirls who are willing to offer 'more' in the way of content for 'less' money per minute. Or viewed from another angle, if a 'MacDonalds' customer is faced with the choice of spending their limited amount of money on a stunningly beautiful camgirl who doesn't offer much 'content', or a merely beautiful camgirl who offers lots of 'content', they're more likely to choose the latter.
Perhaps some of the top 'amateur' camgirls are already reacting to this pressure by cutting back their hours of 'blind' marketing, since they are finding the average hourly earnings results to be disappointing.
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Originally Posted by
Marleysade
I was looking on streamate to see if It was worth working lastnight when I saw women that I respected when It came to there hustle lower there standards to doing gold shows that were as low as a dollar shaking and giving all they got to not even making half the goal and dong the show anyway..
See, I had said the same thing on here not too long ago, and someone gave me a hard time for saying it.
Guys on mandatory free chat sites are spoiled. Last night on MFC, while I'm in the middle of chatting and teasing in public chat (room topic was about videos, and countdown til topless/naked with oil), some guy who wasn't even tipping had asked "So what show are you going to be doing tonight?" LMAO. I explained to him that this (the teasing, flashes w/each tip, convo, and the countdown) IS the "show," and that if he's looking for a public fuck show, sorry I don't do that in my public chat. He said "Okay" and then left. LOL. Well, at least he wasn't a dick about it.....
Guys on MFC (and other free chat sites like SM) are spoiled from all the stuff they've seen in free video chat that they now go into each model's room expecting some kind of circus show...lmao! This ain't a Ringling Brothers circus, and I'm not shooting firecrackers out of my ass. This is LIVE webcam chat with hot women you wish you could fuck. :P If some women require that you go to a more private setting to see her fuck a dildo, if dildo-fucking is what you wanna see, then pay the rate or click 'next model'. Oh, and to ask a cam girl (that you hardly ever tip) for a discount is laughable. Next time I see a gorgeous $60 Victoria's Secret push-up bra, I should ask the sales associate for a discount just to see the look on her face.....
I'm happy on sites where I don't have to constantly be plowing my pussy 'til it's sore, worry about being suspended for nonsense, and worry about jerks rating me less than 5 stars.
And yes, I am happy for those of you who love SM and do fantastic on there. :) I'm not gonna tell anyone what prices to charge. Just do what's best for you and makes you happy.
I tried telling cam girls DO NOT ACCEPT PAYPAL, but some of them chose not to listen because they swear it's "been good for them so far." LOL. So...you can give all the great advice and helpful suggestions you want, but people are still gonna do what they wanna do.
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Originally Posted by
Melonie
This was precisely my point from yesterday's ( now deleted ) thread about an 'unusual' new camgirl who happens to have 'world record' big boobs. The same point has been made in the past about 'well known' porn girls. That point, of course, is that 'professionals' from other aspects of the adult entertainment industry are migrating to camming in increasing numbers. And those 'professionals' are increasingly attracting the attention as well as the big spending of 'Fogo de Chao' webcam customers !!!
From various other threads like 'Camming Quiet' as well as other Dollar Den threads, we also know that there is a growing divide between the 1% highest earners and the remaining 99%. We also know that rising gasoline / energy prices, rising taxes, rising food prices etc. are absorbing more 'discretionary spending' out of the weekly budgets of the 99%. Those hardest hit are the middle class i.e. the 'TGI Fridays' webcam customers. It is this group of 'TGI Fridays' webcam customers who has traditionally spent money on the top rated 'amateur' webcam models.
With less 'discretionary spending' money being available, webcam hosts have responded by changing their business model to allow camgirls to lower their prices, but to also effectively generate more than one revenue stream at the same time for the webcam host. This lower priced, multiple paying customer at the same time, business model is clearly targeted at 'MacDonalds' webcam customers ... which originally included the bottom half of the 99%, and now includes an increasing number of former 'TGI Fridays' webcam customers from the top half of the 99% who no longer have much 'discretionary income' available. However, when you compare the selling points of 'MacDonalds' products versus 'TGI Fridays' products, in general 'quality' matters less than 'quantity'.
Which leads back to the original point. Arguably, todays top 'amateur' camgirls are being pressured from the top side by a steadily increasing number of adult industry 'professionals' ... who can offer name recognition, physical attributes, customer perception of 'extra value' etc. that 'amateur' camgirls cannot match. Also, arguably, todays top 'amateur' camgirls are being pressured from the bottom side by a growing number of other 'amateur' camgirls who are willing to offer 'more' in the way of content for 'less' money per minute. Or viewed from another angle, if a 'MacDonalds' customer is faced with the choice of spending their limited amount of money on a stunningly beautiful camgirl who doesn't offer much 'content', or a merely beautiful camgirl who offers lots of 'content', they're more likely to choose the latter.
Perhaps some of the top 'amateur' camgirls are already reacting to this pressure by cutting back their hours of 'blind' marketing, since they are finding the average hourly earnings results to be disappointing.
I agree with you, and I have actually been working on moving towards the Fogo de Chao customers. They were already a small part of my market. I was mainly TGI Fridays, but in 2011 I finally accepted the way the wind was blowing. I have less TGI Fridays guys so I need to uprgade myself and be competitive with for the Fogo de Chao crowd. At least that is my plan. I will grant I am in the fetish niche so things are a little different for me, but I think these days you have to market and you have to target market, and you have to build a brand.
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Last night 4 of us did the "gold challenge" everyone was dead last night in our region. We work as a team. A few models do not cam at night or they cam occasionally and those models (2) where going around and seeing what the goal was and how much the girls charged along with attitude. ATTITUDE ~ MEN LEAVE YOUR ROOM NO MATTER HOW CHEAP A MODEL IS DOING A SHOW. (one was doing 1$ buy in 60$ Goal ~bad tude and no customers) The group of us where doing 2 and 3 buck gold for 5-8 mins. Everyone has a different hustle. I made goal every time. The others made gold as well. Then we bumped it up after each of us did 3 shows. We still got buy ins but didnt reach goal as fast. Sometimes I didnt make goal at all. I still went in the show. The other girls where not doing the shows unless they met goal. They started over. It took them double the time to make gold as I was on my 3rd gold chat w ppl ringing in.
Im glad that Im not in a strip club, sweating, someone TRYING to touch me or being on stage for a room filled with men and only men at the stage throwing a dollar. I am performing for paying customers only.
I love having fun and making money. I love models that help and want to join to see the difference. All of us our different and it is interesting to see what happens. ;)
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temptingmodel
I did nothing that girls do in free chat (masturbate, pussy flash to reach goal).
So lets say only half filled up going in..$is$...once in OMG they would not stop dinging in. Im a very sexual person so sexual acts, strip tease, I love it. One show I came out making $164 for 8 mins. $164 was my cut for those 8 mins. That is 20.5 a MINUTE!
I ate my words last night when I saw how much was made, I will never again trip on a model for charging a buck, 2 or 3. They have my love and respect.
I hadn't been getting enough guys in to make it worth it so I had given up on gold shows. If you don't mind, how long was your countdown? You have to take that into consideration too when you figure out how much you made, but hell, even if it took an hour $164 your cut is awesome! I'm placed pretty high up but for some reason I just don't get the traffic when I've tried gold shows. It's not worth it at all when you only get like 5 guys joining.
This whole thread fascinates me though. I love seeing what works for others and what doesn't.
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This isn't really related, but since I posted about changing my rates above - I raised my private rates tonight because I only wanted to do gold shows. I still got privates at prices I purposely set 'too high'. Just supporting what you ladies have been saying all along.
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temptingmodel
Last night 4 of us did the "gold challenge" everyone was dead last night in our region. We work as a team. A few models do not cam at night or they cam occasionally and those models (2) where going around and seeing what the goal was and how much the girls charged along with attitude. ATTITUDE ~ MEN LEAVE YOUR ROOM NO MATTER HOW CHEAP A MODEL IS DOING A SHOW. (one was doing 1$ buy in 60$ Goal ~bad tude and no customers) The group of us where doing 2 and 3 buck gold for 5-8 mins. Everyone has a different hustle. I made goal every time. The others made gold as well. Then we bumped it up after each of us did 3 shows. We still got buy ins but didnt reach goal as fast. Sometimes I didnt make goal at all. I still went in the show. The other girls where not doing the shows unless they met goal. They started over. It took them double the time to make gold as I was on my 3rd gold chat w ppl ringing in.
Im glad that Im not in a strip club, sweating, someone TRYING to touch me or being on stage for a room filled with men and only men at the stage throwing a dollar. I am performing for paying customers only.
I love having fun and making money. I love models that help and want to join to see the difference. All of us our different and it is interesting to see what happens. ;)
Curious.... when you guys were going into other models rooms.... were you keeping quiet or were you saying things? Because I had 3 separate user names come into my room in about a 5 minute span of time during a gold show count down.... saying nasty things about my "attitude" and then consequently about my looks and what not.
NOT saying it was you.... I sure hope it wasn't you or your other cam friends..... but it was pretty obvious by how they were talking that it was a model. I just kicked and ignored. But yah.... this post reminded me of that...