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Re: Very Disappointed at the top models right now
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Originally Posted by
laurielegs
I hadn't been getting enough guys in to make it worth it so I had given up on gold shows. If you don't mind, how long was your countdown? You have to take that into consideration too when you figure out how much you made, but hell, even if it took an hour $164 your cut is awesome! I'm placed pretty high up but for some reason I just don't get the traffic when I've tried gold shows. It's not worth it at all when you only get like 5 guys joining.
This whole thread fascinates me though. I love seeing what works for others and what doesn't.
I played with those as well. 5 mins eh not so exciting...10 min more came in and the excitement was there. One customer said that is his warm up. I'm trying to get feedback on all of it.
so I was worried I upset models...not at all. This is the normal? I say that with a question bc it shocked me.
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Originally Posted by
SarahTime
Curious.... when you guys were going into other models rooms.... were you keeping quiet or were you saying things? Because I had 3 separate user names come into my room in about a 5 minute span of time during a gold show count down.... saying nasty things about my "attitude" and then consequently about my looks and what not.
NOT saying it was you.... I sure hope it wasn't you or your other cam friends..... but it was pretty obvious by how they were talking that it was a model. I just kicked and ignoreed. But yah.... this post reminded me of that...
No, she only browsed rooms to see if girls where going higher in goals. I will pm u her name.
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I have actually been working on moving towards the Fogo de Chao customers. They were already a small part of my market. I was mainly TGI Fridays, but in 2011 I finally accepted the way the wind was blowing. I have less TGI Fridays guys so I need to uprgade myself and be competitive with for the Fogo de Chao crowd. At least that is my plan. I will grant I am in the fetish niche so things are a little different for me, but I think these days you have to market and you have to target market, and you have to build a brand.
This indeed seems to be a new 'fact of life' ... and not just where webcams are concerned. Ferrari's and Porsches are selling like hotcakes. Kia's and Chevy's are selling well too ... providing that their typical low earning customers can actually come up with some front money. But Toyota's and Honda's sales are way off ! However, being able to sell to the 1% Ferrari and Porsche customer base not only means having top quality 'goods' to offer, but also some 'brand recognition'. This is the 'edge' that 'professional' porn girls, huge boob girls, established Dom girls, ex-Playboy models etc. are now bringing to the camming market.
In some aspects, this is related to the exotic dancing industry, where 'feature' girls are concerned. However, on the strip club side, 'feature girls' come in, make money, and leave. And strip club customers have the choice of spending money on a 'feature girl' or a house dancer for the week that the 'feature girl' is in that club, but shift 100% of their spending back to house dancers once the 'feature' has left town.
But where camming is concerned, 'feature girls' come in, make money, but DON'T leave ! Thus camming customers have the choice of spending money on an increasing number of porn stars or huge boobs girls or established DOMs or ex-Playboy models, versus 'amateur' camgirls, every single night !!!
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I had said the same thing on here not too long ago, and someone gave me a hard time for saying it.
Arguably, having my earlier thread deleted and having my 'wrist slapped' was similarly motivated. Admittedly I provided a technical reason justifying the deletion ... at least for someone who denies seeing a fundamental difference between a typical 'amateur' camgirl and a girl with 'world record' huge boobs now offering webcam access. But in the 'real world' involving webcam spending levels by big boobs fetish customers being redirected away from 'amateur' camgirls attempting to market themselves on the basis of bigger than average boobs, the financial effects aren't likely to be as easily denied.
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Someone mentioned new models that are placing in the top. I have noticed this as well. I also notice when i hold gold that if I refresh to see my placement..I'm gone! I've noticed this with models when we go private. Also when the shows are over most of us are lowered. We get up again so I'm thinking sm is rotating. We have had increase of models and STUDIOS! usually they have a good number of models. I think that is what is going on with placements. Also the "feature girls" get top placement. IMO its kinda not fair to us who work 24/7. It is what it is. We can only make the best of it and not be negative.
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I say studios bc I am being hit left and right with links that are whitelabels for streamate. So far nothing bad like recording our shows but it lands me on the basic sm page. That's why I think there is a increase in studios. Imo.
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Re: Very Disappointed at the top models right now
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Originally Posted by
SarahTime
Curious.... when you guys were going into other models rooms.... were you keeping quiet or were you saying things? Because I had 3 separate user names come into my room in about a 5 minute span of time during a gold show count down.... saying nasty things about my "attitude" and then consequently about my looks and what not.
NOT saying it was you.... I sure hope it wasn't you or your other cam friends..... but it was pretty obvious by how they were talking that it was a model. I just kicked and ignored. But yah.... this post reminded me of that...
Interesting because I had that happen 3 times during a countdown today too. Separate usernames but similar insults:-\
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Originally Posted by
~Carmen~
Interesting because I had that happen 3 times during a countdown today too. Separate usernames but similar insults:-\
I just want to make it very clear that I do not trash models and neither my girls. Karma. If you screencap and turn it in they will ban that person esp if it is a model doing it. I only cuss ( not insult) if she is in free and have a dong in her. Masturbation in free is not acceptable in MY book , its not fair. I have been over and over this with sm. I do countdowns sometimes topless but not spread eagle.
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Yes I want to be clear that it was not temptingmodel who came into my room, we already talked about it thru PMs. But I bet it was the same people coming into your room as it was mine ~Carmen~
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Originally Posted by
temptingmodel
I just want to make it very clear that I do not trash models and neither my girls. Karma. If you screencap and turn it in they will ban that person esp if it is a model doing it. I only cuss ( not insult) if she is in free and have a dong in her. Masturbation in free is not acceptable in MY book , its not fair. I have been over and over this with sm. I do countdowns sometimes topless but not spread eagle.
And cussing in other people's rooms is not trashing models? Even if they are doing something that's a no no and I really felt compelled to do something about it I would just report it to SM and leave it at that. Not that I have ever done that, but if I did see something that truly bothered me the last thing I would do is cuss the model out. I would simply screen cap and send an email to support. No need to cuss in someone's room.
Someone did something like that to me last week. I got suspended for 7 days, but SM then revoked that suspension within 24 hrs as I promptly emailed them and even told them to go through my free chat recordings (yes the do record free shows). I was wearing underwear the entire time but someone accused me of being naked in free chat. Granted my undies were small, but they were clearly underwear! Yes I had the cam aimed at my crotch and some of the hair out, but there were underwear on.
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Originally Posted by
OJenni!
A I was wearing underwear the entire time but someone accused me of being naked in free chat. Granted my undies were small, but they were clearly underwear! Yes I had the cam aimed at my crotch and some of the hair out, but there were underwear on.
Yea but isnt pubic hair considered below the belt nudity and XXX content? Pubic hair is written in in most obscenity laws and indecent exposure laws. For cam sites though - pubes fall under the same category as sheer panties and barely there G-strings as skirting the below the belt nudity rule.
That is why models who just cup their genitals probably dont get in trouble since it is an opaque / hair containing block... while those who are wearing underwear but may have curlies twisting towards the light might get suspended.
Not justifying the logic but youve posted abt getting in trouble for nudity before - so if your pubes are usually a-peeking and a-poking that is probably why you keep getting busted.
Let's be real though - SM selectively applies their rules. Some models (I think those not in studios tbh, but cant know, just a rando theory) get the hammer way harder while others dont at all.
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Originally Posted by
roast
Yea but isnt pubic hair considered below the belt nudity and XXX content? Pubic hair is written in in most obscenity laws and indecent exposure laws. For cam sites though - pubes fall under the same category as sheer panties and barely there G-strings as skirting the below the belt nudity rule.
That is why models who just cup their genitals probably dont get in trouble since it is an opaque / hair containing block... while those who are wearing underwear but may have curlies twisting towards the light might get suspended.
Not justifying the logic but youve posted abt getting in trouble for nudity before - so if your pubes are usually a-peeking and a-poking that is probably why you keep getting busted.
Let's be real though - SM selectively applies their rules. Some models (I think those not in studios tbh, but cant know, just a rando theory) get the hammer way harder while others dont at all.
Well the first time I came to figure it was that capture thing that took a shot while I was in break getting re-dressed. At the time I was always wearing a dress, panties and bra in free chat. I did not say anything to SM about it, although knowing what I know now I should have emailed them inquiring. But the second time I was really racking my brain as to when/what could have provoked this. I sent them a detailed email explaining the situation and inquiring about how they define the nudity. They sent me a short email back within 24 hours stating that showing hair is not defined as nudity according to their rules IF you are wearing underwear and/or cupping (lets face it some people have so much hair that 1 hand would not cover all of it) and that my suspension has been removed because I was not "nude" in free (and just to know they do record your free shows), and that yes the screen capture does take pictures even when you are in break and if you are snapped in break mode you could end up with a suspension.
This is all good stuff for us to know and I am glad I sent an email to them. So I learned a) Free chats are recorded b)Suspensions are largely based on "customer" complaints and not investigated unless you speak up and email them. c)Live captures can get you suspended even if you are in break-so its important to leave the view of the cam while getting dressed.
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Re: Very Disappointed at the top models right now
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Fridays
I wonder how many top models from SM are actually on this forum.
Several, they just don't openly reveal their identity. And many more do read SW, they just never comment. Its talked about on twitter pretty regularly when someone posts about them.
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roast
Let's be real though - SM selectively applies their rules. Some models (I think those not in studios tbh, but cant know, just a rando theory) get the hammer way harder while others dont at all.
I agree. Honestly, there's not even any sense in turning in models anymore because even if they get a 3 day ban, they can just email or call support or email Liz, and their accounts are back up instantly. So there's no point. There's a big difference between lurking for business/competition assessment purposes, and straight out trolling.
Same with trolling rooms. There's no point. Why tell a girl she's being cheap? She doesn't give a fuck because she wouldn't be charging those prices if she wasn't making money. And Streamate doesn't care. So you're just wasting your time.
(Oh and you DO realize guys that if someone is repeatedly harassing you on cam, you CAN find out who it is. That is, if you speak to the right customer service representative. Some models think they're being slick when they're not. This goes for all sites, and girls guilty of doing it across multiple sites. And for the sake of drama prevention, no this is not about anyone in particular.)
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Originally Posted by
OJenni!
And cussing in other people's rooms is not trashing models? Even if they are doing something that's a no no and I really felt compelled to do something about it I would just report it to SM and leave it at that. Not that I have ever done that, but if I did see something that truly bothered me the last thing I would do is cuss the model out. I would simply screen cap and send an email to support. No need to cuss in someone's room.
Someone did something like that to me last week. I got suspended for 7 days, but SM then revoked that suspension within 24 hrs as I promptly emailed them and even told them to go through my free chat recordings (yes the do record free shows). I was wearing underwear the entire time but someone accused me of being naked in free chat. Granted my undies were small, but they were clearly underwear! Yes I had the cam aimed at my crotch and some of the hair out, but there were underwear on.
Eye is closed.
She kept saying "I can do this I can do what I want" So not only do they have her free (they do not monitor each room individually it is up to us to turn them in)...I turned in my recorded video of her and it showed my typing and me and my reflection.. No one is protected by Streamate. They do not give certain models permissions...that was a bold face lie. Ya she turned me in for dogging her..no biggie. I turned her in for spread eagle inserting toys in free.
If I am in a room, I use my name. Im there for a reason...
I don't care about stupid petty crap. As long as a model doesn't blatantly spread eagle and insert..I'm good. Get your hustle on anyway you can except FREE PUBLIC MASTURBATION while sitting on the front page.
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Dude, what about "the wall"? I would love to know whoever "Liz" is and why she can allow some girls to dildo the life out of their va-jay in free chat.
I don't really care what a girl does in her room or how much she does or doesn't charge. I do care when girls break the rules. I don't break the rules and I expect the same from everyone else.
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LAChloe
Dude, what about "the wall"? I would love to know whoever "Liz" is and why she can allow some girls to dildo the life out of their va-jay in free chat.
I don't really care what a girl does in her room or how much she does or doesn't charge. I do care when girls break the rules. I don't break the rules and I expect the same from everyone else.
The wall is the reason rule breakers get their accounts back immediately. The wall, however, DOESN'T WORK (as we know) and Streamate does not give enough of a fuck to fix it because "the wall" is what protects their asses legally and that's all they care about. That's why there's no sense in reporting or trolling models.
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Originally Posted by
LAChloe
Dude, what about "the wall"? I would love to know whoever "Liz" is and why she can allow some girls to dildo the life out of their va-jay in free chat.
I don't really care what a girl does in her room or how much she does or doesn't charge. I do care when girls break the rules. I don't break the rules and I expect the same from everyone else.
I was told that is a lie. Shawn, Liz, whomever they claim...they are not protected by them. ;) FYI it aggravates them when a model claims she is protected.
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What is a wall?
Roast~ u make me want u baby...my house..10 min show..hell I will do it free ;)
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^Im all over it bb, esp with those buttcheeks, meowza
<--- Id make this face the whole time though. Hope that is OK. Im into stoic sex
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Also the "feature girls" get top placement. IMO its kinda not fair to us who work 24/7. It is what it is. We can only make the best of it and not be negative.
This actually circles back to another past discussion that wasn't particularly 'well received' either.
With HD video bandwidth costs becoming an increasingly large 'cost of doing business' for webcam hosts, there is a growing 'gap' between the amount of paid sales revenues being generated by a particular camgirl, versus the actual costs to the webcam host of providing her with 'free' bandwidth in an attempt to solicit paid sales. Arguably, some number of 'amateur' camgirls with very low paid sales conversions rates versus hours spent generating a 'free' video stream are now actually causing their webcam hosts to lose money on their accounts.
From a technical standpoint, the costs incurred by a webcam host to provide an hour of 'free' video stream for a 'feature' camgirl, porn star, huge boobs girl, professional DOM, ex-Playboy model, etc. is exactly the same as the costs incorred by the webcam host to provide an hour of 'free' video stream for a low ranked 'amateur' camgirl. The webcam hosts therefore have a strong financial incentive to steer additional business to the high paid sales conversion rate 'feature' camgirls, and to steer business away from low ranked 'amateur' camgirls ( in hopes that they will spend fewer hours online or have fewer prospective customers viewing their 'free' video stream, thus costing the webcam host less money providing 'free' video bandwidth that the low ranked 'amateur' camgirls don't often convert to paid sales thus webcam host revenues ).
Ultimately, the webcam hosts will have to deal with the issue of 'losing money' on marginal 'amateur' camgirls whose paid sales conversion rates fall below the 'break-even' threshold for their webcam host by one means or another. So far the webcam hosts have been reluctant to do so in a direct manner, instead reducing percentage payouts across the board such that high conversion rate 'feature' camgirls wind up financially subsidizing otherwise net money 'losing' low conversion rate 'amateur' camgirls. This in turn generated some 'migration' by some 'feature' camgirls which hurt particular webcam hosts ... arguably resulting in at least one webcam host implementing a tiered percentage payout system ( which reduced but did not eliminate the degree of subsidies being paid for out of 'feature' camgirl generated paid sales revenues ). Recent 'tweaks' to webcam host ranking algorithms favoring 'feature' camgirls may be just another manifestation of this.
Economically speaking, this situation is NOT going to improve, and is likely to actually get worse as HD expectations by webcam customers and webcam host bandwidth costs both increase. Eventually, the webcam host business model is going to change such that 'amateur' camgirls who aren't generating sufficient sales volumes to cover the costs to their webcam hosts of providing them with a 'free' video stream are going to be given the boot by one means or another. This will leave 'feature' camgirls making high paid sales conversion rates via 'brand' selling to big spending customers, and will also leave 'amateur' camgirls who achieve high paid sales conversion rates because they are willing to lower their prices as well as willing to provide lots of 'content' for that low price. And 'amateur' camgirls who fall between these two extremes are going to be increasingly 'eased out' of the camming business if they are not generating enough paid sales conversions to cover the actual webcam host costs of providing them with a camgirl account and 'free' video stream.
There is an analogy to this already at work in the exotic dancing industry. Big city 'show clubs' offering top quality 'talent' as well as 'feature' performers are doing relatively well. 'Dirty' strip clubs offering lesser quality 'talent' but lots of physical contact / 'extras' at 'affordable' prices are also doing OK. But neighborhood clubs with high quality ( but not top quality ) 'talent' that do not offer lots of physical contact / 'extras' are experiencing increasing levels of economic distress.
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Re: Very Disappointed at the top models right now
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Originally Posted by
roast
Yea but isnt pubic hair considered below the belt nudity and XXX content? Pubic hair is written in in most obscenity laws and indecent exposure laws. For cam sites though - pubes fall under the same category as sheer panties and barely there G-strings as skirting the below the belt nudity rule.
That is why models who just cup their genitals probably dont get in trouble since it is an opaque / hair containing block... while those who are wearing underwear but may have curlies twisting towards the light might get suspended.
No, I asked and for Streamate in free chat, pubic hair coming out sides of panties is fine, as is showing just the top of the hair.
You can not have panties off and you can not pull the panties down past your genitalia.
I have photos approved for my profile with pubic hair sticking out of panties somewhat, but the genitalia area is always fully covered.
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Originally Posted by
Melonie
This actually circles back to another past discussion that wasn't particularly 'well received' either. With HD video bandwidth costs becoming an increasingly large 'cost of doing business' for webcam hosts, there is a growing 'gap' between the amount of paid sales revenues being generated by a particular camgirl, versus the actual costs to the webcam host of providing her with 'free' bandwidth. Arguably, some number of 'amateur' camgirls with very low paid sales conversions rates versus hours spent generating a 'free' video stream are actually causing webcam hosts to lose money.
From a technical standpoint, the costs incurred by a webcam host to provide an hour of 'free' video stream for a 'feature' camgirl, porn star, huge boobs girl, professional DOM, ex-Playboy model, etc. is exactly the same as the costs incorred by the webcam host to provide an hour of 'free' video stream for a low ranked 'amateur' camgirl. The webcam hosts therefore have a strong financial incentive to steer additional business to the high paid sales conversion rate 'feature' camgirls, and to steer business away from low ranked 'amateur' camgirls ( in hopes that they will spend fewer hours online or have fewer prospective customers viewing their 'free' video stream, thus costing the webcam host less money providing 'free' video bandwidth that the low ranked 'amateur' camgirls don't often convert to paid sales thus webcam host revenues ).
Ultimately, the webcam hosts will have to deal with the issue of 'losing money' on marginal 'amateur' camgirls whose paid sales conversion rates fall below the 'break-even' threshold for their webcam host by one means or another. So far the webcam hosts have been reluctant to do so in a direct manner, instead reducing percentage payouts across the board such that high conversion rate 'feature' camgirls wind up financially subsidizing otherwise net money 'losing' low conversion rate 'amateur' camgirls. This in turn generated some 'migration' by some 'feature' camgirls which hurt particular webcam hosts ... arguably resulting in at least one webcam host implementing a tiered percentage payout system ( which reduced but did not eliminate the degree of subsidies being paid for out of 'feature' camgirl generated paid sales revenues ).
Economically speaking, this situation is NOT going to improve, and is likely to actually get worse as HD expectations by webcam customers and webcam host bandwidth costs both increase. Eventually, the webcam host business model is going to change such that 'amateur' camgirls who aren't generating sufficient sales volumes to cover the costs to their webcam hosts of providing them with a 'free' video stream are going to be given the boot by one means or another. This will leave 'feature' camgirls making high paid sales conversion rates via 'brand' selling to big spending customers, and will also leave 'amateur' camgirls who achieve high paid sales conversion rates because they are willing to lower their prices as well as willing to provide lots of 'content' for that low price.
Totally agree with this. Besides I have seen some amateur girls in the top spot, yet a well known porn star in say spot #10. But that's not to say there isn't a discrepancy in traffic. Sometimes in spot #1 you may see 10 people in that room, but girl in spot #23 has 80 people in her room.
I saw beshine on the other day. She was in private in less then 1 minute.
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Idk, maybe I'm delusional, but I'm not all that threatened by all the porn stars flocking to SM. I offer something completely different. I've watched their shows. There's a big difference between porn star sex and real sex. I'm not dogging anyone's hustle. They obviously do very well with what they're selling. But I'm selling something different.
The way I see it, my customers don't pay me to control/direct me, they pay me to watch me do what I do. Generally, I don't fake anything on cam. The majority of my regs come to me because they enjoy watching a real woman actually enjoying herself. They want to see how I please myself. Not see how many sex acts I can preform in under 5 minutes or how big of a dildo I can fit in my ass. Those are novelties. I'm selling a connection.
From the talks I've had with my room, a lot of guys watch cams because they want to see real people. They're the same people that prefer amateur porn over the slick prepackaged variety.
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I saw beshine on the other day. She was in private in less then 1 minute.
For those of you who missed my earlier thread before it was deleted, this is the 'world record' huge boobs girl who recently started camming. Indeed, the 'report' I received from one of my long term fans was that he was waiting in her free chat for 3 hours unsuccessfully trying to take her private ... because every time she would finish a private with one paying customer another paying customer would take her back into private almost immediately.
For her webcam host, this business situation is absolutely IDEAL. Here you have a single 'feature' camgirl consuming a single 'free' video stream's worth of bandwidth bill from her webcam host, while generating $5 a minute sales revenues for something like 200+ of the 240 minutes she was logged on !!! Arguably, the webcam host earned more revenue from that single 'feature' camgirl session than the webcam host earned ( net ) from 99 other 'amateur' camgirls who were logged on at the same time, while only having to incur 1% of the bandwidth costs.
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TY for helping me understand how the placement works for models vs "features" . Camming with them a while and suddenly new models show up and they are Porn or something higher up (I hate to say that) and get top placement. It blows but it makes sense. I was told "they are the meat that attracts". SM didnt tell me that but I was like Ok and went about mt good day. You made it clear. :)
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Oh dear lord...I just googled Beshine...wtf?