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Originally Posted by
Lovelyme
It has come to my attention that the majority of sugarbabies out there seem to be extremely delusional. So let's get a few things straight so some of you can get off your high horse. (This thread is being posted after a heated conversation with one of my girlfriends last night that is seeing some loser for $500 a week and providing full escort services EVERYDAY but yet calling herself a sugarbaby)
I'm in the same boat as Eric . I could not give a shit if a sugar baby sleeps with her daddy . I have known it to happen before - and if those sugar babies still refer to themself as it being a sugar baby /daddy relationship, Like blackSharpie mentioned sleeping with hers - who am I ( or you ;-) ) to tell them different . Sure this is the real world and people are labelled every day - doesn't really mean it's time to join in . :)
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Originally Posted by
ukmissy
I'm in the same boat as Eric . I could not give a shit if a sugar baby sleeps with her daddy . I have known it to happen before - and if those sugar babies still refer to themself as it being a sugar baby /daddy relationship, Like blackSharpie mentioned sleeping with hers - who am I ( or you ;-) ) to tell them different . Sure this is the real world and people are labelled every day - doesn't really mean it's time to join in . :)
Ook........... LOL. ::)
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Anyways, I'm glad other agreed with me. I made my point. I hope some of you take from this - others that disagree (well you don't have to read the thread :) ).
Thanks for the wonderful pms ladies. Hopefully more ladies will start charging what their time is worth and not what some guy think their time is worth. Done here.
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xoxo
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Originally Posted by
Lovelyme
Anyways, I'm glad other agreed with me. I made my point. I hope some of you take from this - others that disagree (well you don't have to read the thread :) ).
Thanks for the wonderful pms ladies. Hopefully more ladies will start charging what their time is worth and not what some guy think their time is worth. Done here.
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xoxo
For every guy trying to haggle or make a girl feel like shes not worth the rate she requests/market value, there are a dozen who will pay it without question, and then a few who will wonder how come you dont charge more.
I *still* have guys telling me that Ill never get $1500 for an overnight, talking about how they get to see girls for $300. Thats a topic on my local board right now even lol Not only do I get it, but I have a couple regs who tell me I could be charging more... Ive been giving myself a raise every 6 months. ;D And everytime I do...business goes up. I look back now on what I charged when I first started and wanna kick myself. And I know that in another year Ill look back on my current rates and wanna kick myself. But all the same, Im growing and learning and doing what I can to work it to my advantage...
And to be honest...I just dont see a sugardaddy being able to outweigh the benefits of being an escort. Even with my $4k allowance I used to get...I have made way more than than in a month as an escort..the only thing holding me back from making much more is I dont hustle like I could by posting ads regularly and touring more....especially touring. And I get to travel more, on my terms, go where I want to go, do what I want to do... and if I want to be left alone and not talk to anyone, I can do that without someone trying to tell me they pay me to entertain them on cue.
I know escorting isnt for everyone..but dang, I really do wish I had thought of doing this 12 years ago, instead of findom and sugardaddies!
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Originally Posted by
BlkSharpie
For every guy trying to haggle or make a girl feel like shes not worth the rate she requests/market value, there are a dozen who will pay it without question, and then a few who will wonder how come you dont charge more.
I *still* have guys telling me that Ill never get $1500 for an overnight, talking about how they get to see girls for $300. Thats a topic on my local board right now even lol Not only do I get it, but I have a couple regs who tell me I could be charging more... Ive been giving myself a raise every 6 months. ;D And everytime I do...business goes up. I look back now on what I charged when I first started and wanna kick myself. And I know that in another year Ill look back on my current rates and wanna kick myself. But all the same, Im growing and learning and doing what I can to work it to my advantage...
And to be honest...I just dont see a sugardaddy being able to outweigh the benefits of being an escort. Even with my $4k allowance I used to get...I have made way more than than in a month as an escort..the only thing holding me back from making much more is I dont hustle like I could by posting ads regularly and touring more....especially touring. And I get to travel more, on my terms, go where I want to go, do what I want to do... and if I want to be left alone and not talk to anyone, I can do that without someone trying to tell me they pay me to entertain them on cue.
I know escorting isnt for everyone..but dang, I really do wish I had thought of doing this 12 years ago, instead of findom and sugardaddies!
There are always going to be bargain hunters, hagglers and bottom feeders. Don't listen to them as far as your rates are concerned. Charge as much as you can get while maintaining the volume you want i.e. what the market will bear.
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Re: State of the union: "Sugarbabies" or "wannabe Sugarbabies" please read.
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Originally Posted by
Lovelyme
It has come to my attention that the majority of sugarbabies out there seem to be extremely delusional. So let's get a few things straight so some of you can get off your high horse. (This thread is being posted after a heated conversation with one of my girlfriends last night that is seeing some loser for $500 a week and providing full escort services EVERYDAY but yet calling herself a sugarbaby)
I used to have multiple sugar daddies a long time ago. I stopped because it was wayyy too time consuming and most of them started to want sex.
Yes that's right - I NEVER had sex with my sugar daddies. When the guys started to want sex, I would lead them on, get more money and drop them like a bad habit.
I would post ads on Craiglist and have every guy that met me in person pay me a meeting fee of $150-$180 just to meet in public. I told them this was because I had to make sure they were actually true sugardaddies. It worked. It became side income for me.
Sugardaddies are not meant to be fucked. Sugardaddies are not meant to be fucked. If you're fucking your sugardaddy, guess what? You're NOT a sugarbaby, You're a prostitute/escort. If your sugardaddy is paying your per hour, and in that hour you are having sex with him - you're just a really cheap prostitute (in most cases). If you are fucking your sugardaddy, and you are one of those girls that won't become an escort because you don't want to be lumped in with "those people" - You're in denial sweetie. you are NO better than an escort. Some of you like to call yourselves sugarbabies when you are really not. No you are not a sugarbaby, you are an escort in an exclusive arrangement. Don't get yourself mixed up with TRUE sugarbabies that know how to play the game. So let me make it clearer for you: When you have sex for money, doesn't matter if it's just one, two guys a month or 100 guys a month- you're an escort/prostitute. Don't flatter yourself - seriously.
Yes if you are sleeping with your sugardaddy, you simply don't know how to play the game. However, If you are providing full service to your sugardaddy, make sure you are at least getting $300 an hour for it. That is the minimum for mid-range escorts in the united states. Do not agree to do such things with him for less pay. A lot of these guys will talk you into lower pay and by the time you know it - you realize you're just a really cheap escort. They prey on naive girls. If you're going to have sex for money, get paid IN FULL for it. I'm getting sick of the "Is this a sugardaddy?" threads. If you're having sex with him, he's not a sugardaddy - he is a private john. If you are required to give him "just a blow job" - once a month - you are still an escort and he's still a john not a sugardaddy or whatever fancy name he wants to call himself.
Today, There are so many Johns going on these sugardaddy/sugarbaby sites and little naive girls $300 a week for full time sex - That is insane to me. The ladies that usually fall for this are naive or desperate. Why will you have sex for $300 a week when you can throw up a website and get paid $300. Some of you ladies prefer that but I will never understand that. You're pretty much cheating yourself out of money and guess what this same guy will turn around a pay the escorts he desires to see $300 AN HOUR for escort services. Don't believe the "I've never done anything like this before" - It's a load of crap!
You just become the cheap side piece that's willing to fuck for a buck because you're so desperate. There are forums where guys get together and talk about how they convince girls to have sex with them for really cheap. These guys are on ESCORT/HOBBYIST forums calling themselves sugardaddies. Don't be foolish. Don't be in denial. If you're going to go all the way with a STRANGER - make sure you're paid in full.
And that my friends is my state of the union address. Please no more ridiculous sugar-daddy threads. If you have to ask if he is a sugar-daddy, he's most likely .. NOT! Having said all that, If you want to become an escort and don't know how to go about it the right way - post a thread and a few ladies will help. Don't be made fun of on the boards. Most of these wannabe sugar-daddies have been known to post your pictures on their avatar and brag to their internet friends that they're fucking you for next to free. Don't become the joke. Ignorance is not bliss - get educated.
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Thank You! Its funny everytime I read those blogs on SeekingArrangement the guys brag about their cheap offerings. Most of those guy can't even afford real sugar babies. They are just using these poor girls and treating them like idiots. Don't be surprised when more men join the conversation saying "who cares what they do". It's a nice way of saying "shut up because you're messing up my game"! Every guy that's contacted me there has been looking for an escort that's too dumb to know what he's offering to pay for a week, she could make in an hour. That's why they want those girls dumb and under 21 because they can play on them being naive. Then MissTravel aka MissTrafficked is now going to be pushed to girls with even more naive dreams of travelling the world. She just has to blow the guy and do anal to get her passport back.
The only smart site I've seen thus far is What'syourprice. If the guy pays to open up conversing and he's asking for email ,come over or some other sexual bullshit then he just lost some money that way. Oops yeah sorry you actually thought I was going to fuck you for $150 but I'm just here to date you loser. For those that want to be paid for sex well that can be done there too but they are going to have to find the profiles that mention "roses"or some other obvious terminology.
SeekingArrangement sets it up where girls don't even know who the hell they are meeting. All he has to do is bullshit on his profile and pay his $40 a month membership fee. By the time the girl figures out that the guy is a cheap ass she's already there looking at his 1974 polyester suit , rotted teeth and him saying how he can offer her $400 for 7 days of fucking in shit motels.
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I really hope this becomes a sticky on this forum. Thanks for throwing this out there. Its so true.
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I mean what other reasons do you really want or need a sugar daddy other than for $$$?
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Oh wow. After the pm's I've received, I'm so glad I posted this. So many women are guilty of this and it's not always because they're "stupid" - it's because they're naive/don't know. There's no one to tell them "tell him this" or "this is how much you can get". Just don't sell yourself short. Again the average for an escort in the united states is $300 an hour. I know ladies who are not attractive that charge this much for full service if not more. So you can definitely get more for your time. Don't let these wanna be daddies tell you otherwise.
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Oh you would die over a SD/SB thread on one of the main escort boards right now... A guy is saying hes a "low dollar" or however he put it sugardaddy.. Seeing girls for $400 a month for up to 6 visits. And another piping in that the majority of SD/SB relationships are like that, and not all high dollar... Makes me want to scream LoL But you know me....Im all diplimatic about it but jeez.
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Thank you Lovelyme!
Just reading some of the dumb games these losers are running on these girls is ugly. I just read some guy wants to bend the girl over with roommates a few doors down because he doesn't want to pay for motels. WTF? This needs to be stickied!!!
Guys are asking for monogamy while being married.
Unprotected sex. There's even a guy that offers $400 a week to sleep with the girl everyday.
Others want to call girls escorts if they have more than 1 SD.
These men are the most mentally dysfunctional people you will ever read about.
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Please put some tags on this so that sugar babies far and wide may read this first before joining one of these sites.
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Re: State of the union: "Sugarbabies" or "wannabe Sugarbabies" please read.
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Originally Posted by
Lovelyme
Oh wow. After the pm's I've received, I'm so glad I posted this. So many women are guilty of this and it's not always because they're "stupid" - it's because they're naive/don't know. There's no one to tell them "tell him this" or "this is how much you can get". Just don't sell yourself short. Again the average for an escort in the united states is $300 an hour. I know ladies who are not attractive that charge this much for full service if not more. So you can definitely get more for your time. Don't let these wanna be daddies tell you otherwise.
I'm a grown woman, 40+, I've had a lot of naughty jobs along the way, I can say with assurance that I am the opposite of naive. I'm quite savvy at this juncture in my life. And though I resist labels and try not to make judgements (I don't want anyone judging me) things aren't so black and white. Yes I can see where the OP initial post could be a wake up call for many, and was prompted by her friends choice, but hustling men who are genuinely looking for an arrangement where sex is one component, is duplicitous. That's not being a sugar baby, that's hustling. Nothing wrong with that either, but it's just as bad as the men who use women for sex, just my opinion.
So yes I've had arrangements. In one case I met my first SD a few times a month, we had dinner, socialized, went out to hear music, I stayed over at his home. It was like a vacation to me. He taught me about investing. I spiced up his life, where, yes, sex was one component but only 5% of our time together. It was positive, respectful, he was a true gentleman. That did not make me the classic prostitute or escort, but even that is a grey area. And I'm certainly not naive. lol. I mention this b/c blanket statements can not include every situation.
I would wager to guess sex is very much a part of most SD arrangements. For some men, that is the only thing they want. But no two situation are alike. Many men who are SD's are looking for a relationship as well without the commitment or seeking out the pay by hour escort. But yes it is true many play the game as well, while some of the younger girls are unaware they are being used.
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I know this thread is kind of old, but I only check in every so often here...:)
I think for some girls, as long as they don't have to "work", they see it as a plus. For most guys, sex doesn't last long. They get a little head, maybe give a little, a few pumps and they're done. So a girl who sees a few guys a day is making "good" money and can party all night and sleep all day just by having sex that lasts for 15 minutes each time.
The guys who do the "pay for play" situation are just losers who don't have the social skills to do anything more than fuck with only $100-$200 a week to spare. That's not sugar, that's Sweet N' Low. :P
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I've read through a lot of really helpful info on this forum, but im still unsure as to whether I am 'me' or a persona when meeting these men?
sorry if this seems like a daft question, but for obvious reasons I just assumed i'd use a 'stage name', and try to be fairly vague about my personal life to an extent in a bid to keep myself safe, and have no ties should i choose to end contact; am i right in thinking this?
I've had one potential SD wanting to meet me, and i asked for him to send something to prove he was real (as meeting him involved a fair bit of travelling) - which he promptly did (amazon vouchers) . . . i'd like to get money rather than vouchers, but again is it crossing a line to give paypal or bank details? i really cannot stand the thought of giving a stranger this info!
any info, or a point in the right direction to find it in these forums would be really appreciated ladies =)
im sorry to bump this thread but it seems silly to make a new one :-[:-[
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I think it may be wise to take the vouchers for a start and buy something. Still he can always get a pre paid credit card and send you cash another way. I think there was something in camming connection about another way to get cash that doesn't reveal pay pal details or bank details.
I read over there that they now how an option for sugar daddies to buy roses or teddy bears for sugar babies but the guys on the blog don't seem to like the idea. He also posted something about starting to offer high end goodies soon so I guess we'll have to see.
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I'm in the UK so the options discussed in camming connection aren't available to me (rocketcash etc) =(
Also, i'm still unsure as to whether i use a persona/fake name, or the real me? with this guy i've used a nickname, so as to not confuse myself completely
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Yeah the fake name is hard for me. I've been using my middle name so technically it's my real name but not one I would ever go by. So If someone ever called me by my middle name on the street I would immediately know " agg sugar daddy found me" lol
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So I would stick to some basic gift cards for a few times just to see if he is real . Once the gift cards buy you a few gifts then I would change to money. I think I would try pay pal with a sugar daddy after his gift cards were ok. I don't know I like the idea of cash instead because money trail could lead to taxation issues and I wouldn't want good ole uncle sam snooping up under my skirt. Still I have yet to meet a guy that I could stomach listening to off those sites. Their ego far exceeds their looks so I get turned off by most of them.
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What befuddles me is why are many of these men so forward? I mean way too much sexual stuff and they are 55+. With this many years of dealing with women why do they seem to not know how to talk to women at all? They also seem to jump to sex talk immediately and wonder why women aren't receptive.
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I've made it perfectly clear that im not looking for anything sexual, and i think that's made me more appealing, they seem to think this is a challenge rather than a fact!
can't say i care much, it's his problem if he thinks i'll be swayed by his 'charms' or money ;)
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I feel like looking for a sugar daddy online is just not worth it now with all the media attention. I think the only way you'll find a real SD these days (well... one that isnt horrendously ugly, a womanizer wifebeater condescending type, and one that has decent social skills) is by NOT looking online. Like converting a regular from the SC or hanging out where wealthy men hang out.
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You know I feel the same^. I think these sites really inflate the egos of some of the ugliest men in the world and it's probably best to just get a reg that spends in industry already and go that route.
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Platonic sugaring is largely bullshit. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but multiple men paying you thousands for now sex? Yh right.
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Eric Stoner
Sex , no sex , whatever. Again, who cares ? I know several escorts who tell me that at least a third of their "dates" involve no sex whatsoever ? So they're not "escorts" in those encounters ?
I agree. And to add: I know a few escorts who charge well over $500 for an hour but are happily involved in Sugar arrangements where they of course, dont see anywhere near that for time spent.
But it works for them: the guys are either well off, into flying her out to exotic destinations on a whim, charismatic/ well connected in a field they are interested in/ providing valuable resources for them like legal advice, real estate connections.. etc.
Why eliminate one for the other when you can have both? I'm perfectly ok being a SW AND sugar baby or whatever one wants to call it