Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
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Originally Posted by
LAChloe
there is a whole lot of fiction being written in this thread. newbies- do your homework before believing everything is 100% legit in this thread.
I'm not typing anything that isn't MY truth. I don't speak for everyone. I make it clear I only speak for myself.
If ever you have been in an abusive relationship that you've escaped, witnessed or have otherwise had the opportunity to experience first hand (I almost married an abuser) you would know it's not fiction. I have learned to incorporate some of the abusive measures I experienced in my life to manipulate those who are willing to be manipulated as I was so willing at one time. I grew up, branched out and now pull from my own personal experiences. For example; He used to write up a receipt for every time he bought me something. He bought a crappy little pontiac for me ($2500), wrote up an I O U and stuck it in the envelope with all of the rest of the I O U's. He used keeping me in debt to him as just one of his many methods of control. I took this lesson and turned something so absolutely negative in my life and have turned my anger, my experiences and my knowledge into something positive that works for me. My following is in debt with ME now. An old trick I once knew on the other side.
Rather than doubting why not dig in to your own pains and use some of your anger to benefit you? Find a joke or a trick someone used on you and teach yourself how to use it to your benefit.
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
I love this place! Thank you girls for these opinions and comments. It's awesome to be able to get the opinion's of so many models based on legitimate personal experiences in the industry. I will be forwarding this thread to some of the other website's I know, as well as to our own personal higher ups.
You girls rock.
GREATLY APPRECIATED!!
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
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Originally Posted by
loveshooks
I'm sayin Chloe
It's not a matter of "being in the same ball park". It's a matter of whether anyone can sustain a successful, solely indy business charging $4.99 per min. I don't think you're spoiled or a bitch, but I do take issue with you judging those who do something you can't do, which is earn a great living staying off the big box sites.
Nothing that's been written here so far has disproved my point, and I'm still hearing crickets in my PM box
anyway, I'm off to enjoy the day. Hope everyone else (including you, Cvarga) does the same :)
I really am sincerely sorry that I came off in a way that insulted you. I am very tunnel visioned. I see something I want, I make a plan to get it and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I especially pull from my own personal experiences to help determine what works and what doesn't. It's not to say I am 100% successful because I have failed and failed again. It's trial and error but most important it's believing you can and remaining focused on the end result which is always your goal which is always your end result which is always your goal. "I know I can, I know I can" not "I think I can, I think I can" and certainly not, "it's fiction, it will never and can never happen".
Again, I do apologize. I can be quite bullish and tunnel visioned. I do know this.
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
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Originally Posted by
cvarga
I really am sincerely sorry that I came off in a way that insulted you.
Thank you for apologizing for your earlier comment. It's nice to see that some people are mature enough to admit when they've made a mistake. I get so tired of being in threads (not just on here, but on other forums too) where people are so stubborn and refuse to admit when they're wrong, and they'll go on and on with their nonsense. THANK YOU for not being like that. :)
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
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Originally Posted by
cvarga
I'm not typing anything that isn't MY truth. I don't speak for everyone. I make it clear I only speak for myself.
If ever you have been in an abusive relationship that you've escaped, witnessed or have otherwise had the opportunity to experience first hand (I almost married an abuser) you would know it's not fiction. I have learned to incorporate some of the abusive measures I experienced in my life to manipulate those who are willing to be manipulated as I was so willing at one time. I grew up, branched out and now pull from my own personal experiences. For example; He used to write up a receipt for every time he bought me something. He bought a crappy little pontiac for me ($2500), wrote up an I O U and stuck it in the envelope with all of the rest of the I O U's. He used keeping me in debt to him as just one of his many methods of control. I took this lesson and turned something so absolutely negative in my life and have turned my anger, my experiences and my knowledge into something positive that works for me. My following is in debt with ME now. An old trick I once knew on the other side.
Rather than doubting why not dig in to your own pains and use some of your anger to benefit you? Find a joke or a trick someone used on you and teach yourself how to use it to your benefit.
huh?????????????
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
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Originally Posted by
Jessica1001
Cvarga, while I understand the other girls' defensiveness at your suggestion to never charge less than 4.99, and I agree that it might not be realistic for everyone, I absolutely admire and agree with your philosophy to charge the absolute max that you possibly can.
Way to go.
(and yeah... Probably time for you to raise to $5.99 now.) ;-)
This. I see where she stepped on toes and she apologized. But why the sour grapes about her rates?
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
^^^ ..... Sour grapes? I'm not sure where you see sour grapes? *Confused*... but I'd like to reply to this!
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
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Originally Posted by
Jessica1001
^^^ ..... Sour grapes? I'm not sure where you see sour grapes? *Confused*... but I'd like to reply to this!
As in every time a figure higher than the conventionally accepted standard for women in this industry comes up, a lot of girls shit on it and call it a lie. Perhaps I used a phrase that is colloquially used to mean "hating", but I meant it more as "dismissive in a seemingly bitter way". There are too many variables to what sells on cam to call everything that doesn't mesh with the mainstream fiction. I see that a lot around here.
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As far as I can tell, there are no "sour grapes" as you are referring to them (a phrase commonly misused to refer to jealousy).
I believe the ladies were upset over someone unintentionally saying that camgirls are underselling themselves if they charge less than she does, etc. However, that has been cleared up, apologies have been made and...
it's super awesome when not every single freakin thread turns into a catty drama-fest. Seems like we narrowly avoided it this time.
So... let's not try to redirect it to that, hmmm?
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
/:O
I thought I clarified that I did not use the phrase to imply jealousy. A better set of words could have been used; that occurred to me after the fact. I just find error in that the offense is being directly linked with the validity of her income.
But it's not my goal to cause drama. So I'll leave it alone.
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
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Originally Posted by
Spinnerette
This. I see where she stepped on toes and she apologized. But why the sour grapes about her rates?
I didn't see Jessica post as her having sour grapes. In fact, it was just the opposite. She was saying that charging $4.99 and up doesn't seem realistic to some people, but she was giving Cvarga props for her "Charge the max that you can" mentality. Jessica's post seemed pretty sincere to me, as her posts always are.
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
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Originally Posted by
TheBrownFox
I didn't see Jessica post as her having sour grapes. In fact, it was just the opposite. She was saying that charging $4.99 and up doesn't seem realistic to some people, but she was giving Cvarga props for her "Charge the max that you can" mentality. Jessica's post seemed pretty sincere to me, as her posts always are.
Ohhhhhh, now I see where the misunderstanding is. Silly me. No, I agree with Jessica's post in its entirety (the paraphrased point in particular). The "sour grapes" thing was more of a general statement and wasn't in reference to her at all. I was NOT picking a fight. Quotes fail on my part.
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
Spinnerette, perhaps it would help to actually read the thread you're responding to. I really had no intention of adding anything more to this thread, but I feel compelled to do so due to your assertion that anyone (probably me) has a problem with or doubts cvarga's indy rates.
No one is dubious of or has a problem with cvarga's rates. She herself admits she cannot currently do what she stated every indy chica should do, lest they be 'pitiful'. A person without a successful solely indy business was insulting those who *do* actually have successful solely indy businesses. The core of my responses was centered upon that point alone.
She apologized.
Can we move on now please?
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(Thanks, BrownFox... you're a sweetheart for saying that.)
Spinnerette, I think you misunderstood me, or perhaps I wasn't clear, and if that's the case, then I apologize.
It seems that you had a problem with my use of the words "it might not be realistic for everyone" (to charge 4.99 per min).
It's not a case of sour grapes (jealousy), because I'm lucky enough that I can get away with charging several times that price for my one-on-one sessions.
But I realize that not everyone is so lucky, so that was my 'disclaimer', as in, I realize not EVERYONE can charge 4.99+... but if someone CAN'T and can only charge 2.99, then I think they need to do all that they can to raise their 'value' to 3.99, etc etc.
I don't want to alienate the girls who are charging UNDER 4.99, but busting their asses to improve. I was one of them, once. :-)
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^^this post was supposed to come, like, two posts up.... Except my bf is yakking in my ear so I couldn't type and post fast enough. :-)
Re: Should Cam sites set a MINIMUM on what a girl can charge?
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Originally Posted by
roast
just echoing loveshooks to remind people who tend to use threads like these for pricewank - this is indie.
Most indie sites charge by block of time.
There are very very few indie sites that Ive ever seen where you set a static rate per minute for indie regardless of how much time is purchased. Very few. I can only think of 3 where it is PPM (Niteflirt is the main one). Most are by blocks of time.
Among most people who do indie the question isnt how much do you charge per minute, that is a bigbox site mentality(*), it is what do you start charging for 10mins. Hell sometimes the debate is do you allow 5min sessions. That tends to be where people have the most debate on forums/blogs about indie camming (well that are not SW).
(*)You guys are talking apples - CGS, loveshooks, myself, TBF, and others are talking oranges. That is where the disconnect is. Square peg, round hole.
This discussion is not about what people charge on bigbox sites or on every site. My understanding is the OP rejected an applicant who charged super low for a block of time that most indie performers would not charge. They asked if there should be minimums on sites in general, the resounding answer was yes --- yet somehow this discussion turned into the inevitable pricewank about bigbox sites that have a PPM model. Most of indie does not have a PPM model, tokens based sites dont have a PPM model. Every site's culture is not the same. I don't charge the same on every site out of principle or because I havent worked up to a certain point - it due to adaptability for different sites. What I charge on SM is different than what I charge on indie - there is no real justification for why asides from what is sustainable. I think most who have changing pricing models would say the same.
Square peg, round hole.
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I don't think anyone is actually reading what I'm posting. :/ I've attempted clarification to mitigate the tension, but everyone keeps talking down to me like I have a reading comprehension or contextual issue.
I did not and do not mean for this to turn into drama so in that case I should have kept my mouth shut and co-signed Jessica's point mentally and let the rest slide. I'll pretend that's what I have done. All I have to say on the last few posts directed to me has been said so I'm bowing out. Sorry if I cause offense with my poor choice of phrase and misuse of the quote function.
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Lol.... I for one am not offended... If anyone else is taking offense on my behalf, it's on them. :-)
White flag.
We're all on the same team, as far as I'm concerned.
Xoxox