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Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
So after a few days of camming hardcore in preparation for being completely on my own, I have had a startling realization about the other models I work with on a certain site in the category/niche I fill. You would think that for this kind of thing that a model would be educated in the matters of the niche but I have had a rude awakening and do not know whether this is helping me or making what I do appear like a joke with total misinformation.
I do BDSM/Fetish shows and am into the Kink Lifestyle. I don't expect all camgirls who do this to know or have years of experience with BDSM but I do expect them to know what BDSM actually stands for. I mean...come on. Know your shit before claiming to be a 10 year professional in the field who charges $6/min for slave training.
Since this is how I live, it bothers me on a much deeper level but also concerns me that viewers will either 1. be getting the wrong information or 2. be so turned off by the ignorance from the "non-Dommes" that they leave the site completely. Luckily I have had a few customers find me and after hearing me talk for a bit immediately buy 30-60min sessions with me which is definitely not the part I am bitching about. That I like. However I am being told that I am the only person on the cam site in that category who isn't lying about their experience which really bothers me that so many women are doing this. Why lie? Why not just specialize in something that's easy to do or research what you want to get into?
Something else I figured out was that a lot of the "non-Dommes" were studio girls from somewhere in Eastern Europe who all log on at once and claim they are all Pro-Dommes and think an impact toy is a strap on. They refuse to answer questions about what they like to do in private in free chat and will outright insult you with "SLAVE, GO PVT, YOU WASTE MY TIME!". Some will even kick you for not having credits.
With this going on I have stepped up to be very interactive, informative, and engaging. It has helped but at the same time I cannot help but be continually put off and irritated by models who are lying about what they can do making the real Dommes look like morons. I am the only one who talks, explains the kind of things I do in private, and will only kick a user if they are harassing me pretty badly.
I was wondering if anyone has had a similar experience. The kind of things the other models do are not only at times ignorant, but also disturbing. One woman admitted to wanting to have sex with a minor on cam and another said she would get a dog. These are the kinds of things they think are fetishes. Since both of those are severe rule violations I took a screenshot of what was said because I do not want people thinking pedophilia and beastiality are acceptable kinks.
Maybe I am overreacting...maybe this happens elsewhere and I just never noticed but this whole thing is driving me absolutely insane. I enjoy that customers who are truly into BDSM can actually find someone into it for a show but it is upsetting to see so many fake people giving out misinformation, being rude and just outright bitchy because that's what they think Domination is, and just simply posing.
Any thoughts? Will I get used to this? Will it go away? I am just hoping that with time and patience I will develop some regulars and hopefully have word of mouth be my friend. Until then, I am gritting my teeth everytime I see a girl dressed up pretending to be a Mistress and not knowing what a masochist is.
/end rant.
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
I do understand what you're saying, but I think guys who are into the "real thing" will be YOUR regulars and not theirs, so it's a win situation for you. There are also many guys who have no idea what BDSM means and they're only curious, want to try a thing or two.
If those girls are studio girls, they most likely don't have a choice. They received a basic training (if they did at all) and were put in that category too as a means for the studio to make even more money. They can say "I have no idea about BDSM, I don't want to do this" but they would be most likely fired and why would they say this, really? If it makes them more money...
If you sell bread and 10 other people also sell bread but their bread tastes like shit while yours is great, people will buy your bread and not theirs. If you're doing good, I don't think you should be worried about this (too much energy for nothing).
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
It will not get any better..... you will just get better at dealing with it.
The problem also is also alot of guys don't really want to be subs/slaves..... they just want to top from the bottom.... they want you to be a domme and do exactly what they want when they want..... I can not tell you how may shows I have had end on me because the guys say he wants to be dominated but then in the shows tell me he want to see me naked and "fucking my pussy with my biggest toy"
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LolaBohemia
They refuse to answer questions about what they like to do in private in free chat and will outright insult you with "SLAVE, GO PVT, YOU WASTE MY TIME!". Some will even kick you for not having credits.
a lot of normal cam girls will not answer question that question..... when I am on cam I don't answer the question "what do you like to do in pvt"...F-that. What I like is in my profile, and if you want to see some or a type of show then ask me and I will tell you if I do it...
One of my fav fetish is "human puppy play" I love make guys in to dogs... Guys come in and tell me all the time that they will do what I tell them too..... they want to be dominated... they want to make me happy.... so I say I wan to treat you like a dog and they tell me to stop being silly.....
so many girls your same rant with fake/real dommes..... look on some domme site that have blog and forums
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
Sex industry means that people are selling a service, it is not a cultural extension of FetLife.
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
I understand and empathize, but if you want to succeed in this particular niche, you're going to have to do it independently. Lifestyle BSDM rarely sells on big box sites as the customers there are consumers of porn and porn largely does not portray the real thing/traditional styles. Just the fantasy, the one where all you have to do is give a girl some vinyl and a dirty mouth and that's good enough for most people. Makes me roll my eyes too, but as roast said, this is an industry where people are selling a service. So you're going to find a lot of non-dominant women selling themselves as such to maximize their earning potential because the keyword sells. The majority of customers will eat it up because they're just as uniformed and I say let them have at it, even if it makes for a bit of a headache in the fetish circles that are geared towards lifestylers when those guys spill over there. They get burned out soon enough when they realize their fantasy is just that.
The standard isn't usually held to customers because money talks. *shrug* Most "slaves" and "submissives" are actually just fetishists. They're in it for the moment. As long as they pay, most people using BDSM as revenue (who are actually into the lifestyle) don't care as it hurts the bottom line. It's a double standard because money is involved.
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:D I must say that I'm really enjoying the idea of a strap-on dildo as an impact toy. I mean, you see guys in porn smack their dicks on chicks' faces all the time (what is that even about, anyway? SO not sexy) so why not spank some subby with a big fake dick? Not *technically* what it's for. :D Fetish doctor says, "this is contraindicated but uhhh, sure, why not?"
But yeah, sorry Lola. It totally sucks but what the above posters have said, totally. If it's any consolation, I advertise myself as a submissive and the so called "masters" who pay for cam sessions have no fucking idea what they're doing, either. So the vast majority of people are pretenders to the throne and you're quickly going to distinguish yourself as the Real Deal for guys who want the real thing.
Just make sure not to go into TOO much detail and answer a jillion questions for free chat wankers. 90% of these guys aren't lifestylers and they're not going to know the difference. Save your breath. Make sure you're not just giving him free wank material OR boring him with stuff that only a real lifestyler would want to know.
LOL, I guess this is the fetish version of girls giving it away in free chat?
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I have to agree. I don't think many lifestyle subs actually show up on cam sites. I have really only encountered two TRUE submissive men since I have been on cam. One of them ended up committing suicide because he was so torn about his thoughts and feelings. The other one still pokes around on occasion (he's on ifriends and SM) but he's never happy with his cam shows and rarely stays long. He's in the UK and likes CBT. He's at the point where it's either not enough or it's too much and spends his day just making rounds trying to find someone to hit it just right, which he'll never do because I don't think he really knows what it is he wants.
As far as online Dom's go, you really can't be a full fledged Dom because the majority of men who claim to want to be dominated believe that domination is a pornographic term for aggressive or freaky. They like the gothic style clothing because it adds to the fantasy and not because it actually means she can whip him into shape.
My opinion of online Dom's will get me into trouble so I'll say only I am humored when I see a woman sitting on cam with her legs spread (a very vulnerable position) or stroking/spitting on/gyrating in a strap-on in free chat on command without so much as a tip received and claims to be a "true Dominatrix". I'm assuming this is the "horrible" ones you refer to.
I think to be a successful "Dominatrix" on cam is to know how to work a fetish. If you aren't familiar with the specific fetish it's difficult to fake control... and if she understood anything at all about fetish she wouldn't be performing any of it free chat.
JMHO
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
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aven
"what do you like to do in pvt"...
..how the question reads and the actual translation: I'm looking at you as a tool for masturbation, now tickle my ear so I can finish up and log off.
When I see this question I read, "I'm not here to buy a cam show" so I either redirect him to my profile or, if he sticks around longer than it takes to read my profile, I kick him because I know he's beating off. If he intended to buy a cam show he'll come back and will apologize for the delay in paid chat. The ones who think we are just tools move on to the next cam room.
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I have been a lifestyler for going on 21 years at this point. The girls you are talking about have been around much longer. Seriously it's not a big deal. Most of them are in studios and don't have a huge amount of choice about what they do and are paid very little. Half probably don't even write their own profiles. My heart goes out to them.
If am man is dumb enough to believe a 22 year old girl had 15 years experience, I hope she tells him to cut his dick off and I hope he does it.
This is fantasy. I am not here to give random strangers on the internet the level of intimacy I give my partners. I keep it safe but I know damned well what most of them want. I tell them all about how I would keep the naked and collared 24/7 and make them sleep in a cage every night. My real life sub finds this most amusing I assure you. I mean this is NOT real life, and I don't need it to be.
At the the end of the day we all sell sex. I am on the same site and guys blow smoke up my ass all the time about how I am the only "real" domme they have ever seen on the site. I almost pulled a muscle rolling my eyes the last time I heard that. I know some other ladies who work that site who are excellent at what they do. If customers haven't found a compatible domme they aren't looking very hard.
I hear the same thing on NF, and yes there are people who aren't good at this or who are new. It happens but I hardly think it's the calamity customers make it out to be. I also think that across all categories you will have some people who no matter what aren't good at what they do. Additionally unless I have seen a girl with my own two eyes I don't believe half of what comes out of a customer's mouth.
I refuse to answer most questions about what I do in private because it's on my profile and if they are too lazy to read it then in my not at all humble opinion they can fuck right off. I can't be bothered with someone who can't or won't read. Also because 9 times out of 10 they will wank to the answer. I kick people who irk me and who don't address me in a way that I like, and why not? I decided to do this for a living so that I didn't have tolerate bullshit. Seriously I kick for bb, I ban for asking for nudity, for calling me boo, for asking to me to shake my ass, the list goes on.
As to explanations I do discuss fetishes very generally in free chat, but if they want to be educated then they should not be on an entertainment site. They should take their asses to fetlife and read. I am not anyone's mother. If you want it go get it. Now again in private yes we can talk about all of these things. I had a quite engaging discussion of the politics of pegging in private the other day.
Lastly it's not like the real life community doesn't have people who claim to know more than they do, and act like everyone who crosses their paths are their slaves. Also not everyone in real life has the same education and experience, or for that matter the same tastes. If I like high protocol I will certainly run my room in a different way than someone to whom such things are unappealing, it happens.
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
i have to second what everyone else said, esp. roast's comment about it not being a cultural extension of fetlife. i've been involved in bdsm for about 8 years now, and honestly, i tend to shy away from kink on cam because the environment is so different from non-camming. it's all pretending/acting. most of the kinky customers i've gotten are just interested in topping from the bottom and getting their fetishes fulfilled. (not that that doesn't happen in real life, but i tend to steer clear of those guys in real life.) the "dominant" customers usually have no idea what the fuck they are doing and they just want someone who can gag/vomit/pretend to be raped/whatever. cam customers, in my experience, have no interest in service or submission...they want me as a prop to fulfill their fantasy. it's so different from my experiences in the offline bdsm world that it's hard to even compare the two.
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
I almost never answer in detail what I do because they jerk to me talking about it and then go on their merry way which is a bunch of bs. Because I am a "princess", the last thing I'm gonna do is give them what they want for free. Fuck that! lol. To be honest though, I have found that 90% of guys that want all that talk aren't real subs just like there are a million guys that like the idea of financial domination but are just bullshitters.
I have seen some pretty crappy dommes out their, especially on SM but what can one do about it? Its ok, brings more fetish guys to me =)
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
Thanks for the responses. It's cool to hear different sides.
My issue...as I was groggy as fuck when I wrote the original post, is ANY individual that says they can do something and then they have no idea what it even means.
Don't say you do CBT if you have no idea what Cock and Ball Torture even is.
Don't say you are into S&M if someone says they are a masochist and you ask "What's a masochist?"
It's epic facepalming all night long.
And yes, in the end, it's me that gets the hour long sessions of actual kinksters making my work VERY easy. I've mentioned in other posts that I am a disabled person so I have to get creative when generating income. As a Pro-Domme it seemed that online Domination was an option for the super discreet non-lifestyle submissive who needed to live out a fantasy every now and then. But when I go and look at pictures of "Dommes" using old sewing needles for needle play I can't help but think that this is happening to some poor bloke and he has some explaining to do to an ER doctor...and to his family...why is nutsack has gangrene.
I will say what I won't do in private and I will say the very basics of what I will do because to credit holding customers, more than half will end up going private after I tell them anyways. I don't do ageplay or incestual role play and that's important for someone to know before they start paying me so I put that out there.
Anyhoots, I hope my main point of dishonest camgirls being my irritant is coming across. And the fact that this kind of dishonesty could lead to actually endangering people. (One girl was willing to do breathplay with someone over the internet using a plastic bag...wtf?) Trust me, I am tickled pick I get all the hardcore dudes I just want people to be held accountable.
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Yeah, I briefly touch base on what I do in private. BRIEFLY. I don't get much room to explain in my bio (300 characters) what I'm into and do so I don't mind answering SOME questions.
There was a sub girl who literally stated she had NO LIMITS. My friend then asked if she would fuck a 12 year old on cam to prove a point. She said "Yes". She also agreed to letting a dog do stuff with her. I really have an issue being on the same row as this chick.
Now sometimes when I am bored in free chat I will start talking about why I prefer RACK to SSC or live in slaves, or negociation, etc. I have some loyals who like staying in my room and giving shit to the guys who call me "honey" and "bb".
It's just that doing this full time now it's becoming so much more obvious because I deal with it for hours on end. I also still do real time Domme sessions so this is my life at present. I am also going to Vegas to teach BDSM 101 to some porn producers, stars, fans, etc. so it's been very consuming lately and something I take seriously.
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IsobelWren
:D I must say that I'm really enjoying the idea of a strap-on dildo as an impact toy. I mean, you see guys in porn smack their dicks on chicks' faces all the time (what is that even about, anyway? SO not sexy) so why not spank some subby with a big fake dick? Not *technically* what it's for. :D Fetish doctor says, "this is contraindicated but uhhh, sure, why not?"
But yeah, sorry Lola. It totally sucks but what the above posters have said, totally. If it's any consolation, I advertise myself as a submissive and the so called "masters" who pay for cam sessions have no fucking idea what they're doing, either. So the vast majority of people are pretenders to the throne and you're quickly going to distinguish yourself as the Real Deal for guys who want the real thing.
Just make sure not to go into TOO much detail and answer a jillion questions for free chat wankers. 90% of these guys aren't lifestylers and they're not going to know the difference. Save your breath. Make sure you're not just giving him free wank material OR boring him with stuff that only a real lifestyler would want to know.
LOL, I guess this is the fetish version of girls giving it away in free chat?
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
have you done porn? because...the issue i have with lifestyle bdsm versus what goes on on cam is a similar issue to what i have with doing porn. that is - it is ALL acting. it is ALL a fantasy. porn is hard fucking work (at least in my experience). (i mean, i enjoy it, but i definitely don't enjoy it for the sex.) i mean really...the shit that i do for my job has no relevance to bdsm or sex in real life.
that "sub" model says she has no limits because she makes more money saying she has no limits. period, end of story. it has nothing to do with rack or ssc. or even site rules or anything like that. i've never had a fetish client who could spell rack or ssc, let alone say what they meant. if these guys were lifestylers they'd be at kink events doing real life shit. they come to fetish camgirls for a reason, and it's not because they're serious about being into bdsm.
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
I work as both a Pro-Domme and a fetish camgirl. For my own sanity, it is easier to split it up into two jobs, otherwise I'd be going crazy yelling at all of the fantasists (I did, once or twice).
Sure, it'd be nice for all the other girls that offer Dom/sub sessions to be aware of the technicalities, but we work in an industry that is obsessed with fantasy over reality. As a fetish camgirl we cater to a fantasy. When I'm working with a sub in person, then it is a different thing entirely.
In an ideal world, only those of us that have experience as a Pro-Domme would offer cam shows as such, but unfortunately that will never happen. The best we can hope for is that they'll develop a genuine interest and conduct themselves professionally.
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Rina
If am man is dumb enough to believe a 22 year old girl had 15 years experience, I hope she tells him to cut his dick off and I hope he does it.
LOL. As much as I am a Sadist at least that gets that dude outta the gene pool.
I've only been doing this for 6 years and only taking it beyond my private life for the past year and a half. Even when I started I kept to humiliation and financial domination because that was all I had experience with. I later started reading more, getting involved in some online communities, and then trying some things out.
And yeah, in the local fetish community, there are a lot of people who are full of shit and luckily, enough people that aren't who call them out on it. Even for my real time Pro sessions I get clients who tell me they are looking for very intense corporal punishment and they cannot find a woman who can do it. If I am unavailable there are only two other Dommes in the entire city I would recommend. Or if there is something I'm not trained in I state that and refer them somewhere else. But lying about it is just un-fucking-professional. And even though its the web I still take pride in everything that I do and do it to the best of my ability.
I do have to tell people to use their google-fu a lot. I don't mind explaining some things but damn, I'm not getting paid for a class.
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Yes I've done porn and I do understand the difference. But with the point I'm drilling here is I'm not going to call the porn "Super Anal Slut #5523" when I don't do anal.
I do a lot of fantasy fetish sessions. Sissification, cuckolding, forced bi, etc...I understand that this is probably a once in a blue moon thing or just once ever. My lifestyle is VERY separate from my camming but I utilize the creativity and knowledge I take from being a lifestyler as an asset to how I can do a better job online...even for just one person or one show.
I like giving people good shows and I hate hearing when guys regret a cam show or, worse, a real time session. I would be just as pissed.
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tinydancer23
have you done porn? because...the issue i have with lifestyle bdsm versus what goes on on cam is a similar issue to what i have with doing porn. that is - it is ALL acting. it is ALL a fantasy. porn is hard fucking work (at least in my experience). (i mean, i enjoy it, but i definitely don't enjoy it for the sex.) i mean really...the shit that i do for my job has no relevance to bdsm or sex in real life.
that "sub" model says she has no limits because she makes more money saying she has no limits. period, end of story. it has nothing to do with rack or ssc. or even site rules or anything like that. i've never had a fetish client who could spell rack or ssc, let alone say what they meant. if these guys were lifestylers they'd be at kink events doing real life shit. they come to fetish camgirls for a reason, and it's not because they're serious about being into bdsm.
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
how is this hurting you? it isn't. it's bringing you more money. (and apparently entertainment and ego stroking.)
this really does feel like the judgmental "look who's giving it away/doing stupid shit in free chat!" threads to me. there are no "good camgirls" and "bad camgirls." some of those fake/bad dommes are probably making hella money off of the fact that most of our customer base are fake subs. and the ones who are giving bad shows...are giving you more customers.
it's nice that you bring your offline experience into the camming world. it's clearly working for you. there are people who have no offline experience and do just fine as fetish models. and there are people like me who have a lot of offline experience and mostly steer clear of fetish stuff when camming. lording what a dommely domme you are over other camgirls isn't going to change anything, though...anymore than the vanilla "look what that crazy bitch is doing" threads have changed the face of the camming world.
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Girls are going to do what makes them money. If dressing in latex and cracking a whip and yelling at "subs" is what is making them money, they are going to continue. Guys who crave a more knowledgeable domme will find their way around to you, I'm sure. No use stressing about it though. The only shows we can control and influence are our own.
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
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There was a sub girl who literally stated she had NO LIMITS. My friend then asked if she would fuck a 12 year old on cam to prove a point. She said "Yes". She also agreed to letting a dog do stuff with her. I really have an issue being on the same row as this chick.
You do realize that if she is a studio girl she probably doesn't have much a choice but to say yes. If she is she is probably trying to close the sale and likely is going to try to re-direct him in private. I mean she isn't going to pull an underage girl out of thin air. I'm also curious as to why your friend would goad her by making such a request? Was he in a private with her? Or just winding her up in free chat?
I'm not willing to turn this into a huge debate and I hear that you are concerned about people's safety however at what point is the submissive responsible. Seriously he asked for breath play with a plastic bag? Well I see two people who haven't done their homework and she is at no greater fault than he is. We are talking about adults, and if he is doing breath play with a plastic bag he most likely has done it before and he likely has assessed the risk. Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean he can't do it.
I have had customers request things that are dangerous and I tell them that and they tell me how they do it all the time and I tell them good luck with all that. These people are grown, and many of them do know what they are doing is crazy and high risk and the do it any way. I take my work seriously but I also have done this long enough to know that expecting everyone to hold to rl standards is unreasonable. If for no other reason than those vary as well.
To the last point about dommes that don't know. If they are studio girls as I stated before the likely have little to no control over what they are told to offer. They are hired to do a job. So I really don't grasp the anger being directed at women in such situations. Further if a client is dissatisfied with with the performance on any given cam model he will move until he finds one that clicks with him.
I don't wipe grown men's asses. So I don't fret about what if they are told to do something dangerous, like set their cock on fire. Because you know what, they should have done their research before they stepped into this arena. If you don't research you get hurt. Lessons will be learned if that happens.
Guys have buyers' remorse about cam shows all the time usually when they get the bill. This doesn't matter if the show is vanilla or kinky. It happens. Look if he stayed for the show he couldn't have felt it was that bad, could he?
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
you sure this... isnt an elaborate sales pitch? No judgment if it is, Im totally used to performers online railing against Insta-Dommes and then offline they get that this industry is... an industry and dont care at all.
Im sure people who post under their stage names use SW way differently than I do (unless anyone wants to cam with Ron Swanson, let me know) - so seriously, I know this forum is very google friendly and clearly fetish customer lurk here - so just let us subtly know if this is a sales thing so we dont... overextend a discussion. A wink or a gif, maybe?
I have no idea if it is or it isnt since Ive known a few ppl who take this super-seriously so if it isnt:
http://youtu.be/7yCv-V6tIPU
just replace "fashion" with camming and itll cure what ails ya.
Otherwise: Dont let customers gas your head up so much? lol seriously. Customers hustle also. A submissive freeloader/customer is still a generic freeloader/customer. A subjective assessment by a self-interested customer of your competition is the furthest thing from fact and it is a hustle the instant you seriously entertain it. You *must* know most customers see a handful of performers, so if you have a few guys saying youre their one true whatever - I challenge you to do this: log into your site (from how you described certain things i have an idea which one it is), check your online guest files every so often without logging in. Youll see your customers live when youre not live. Also check your online guest files when youre streaming: youll see your customers are live but theyre not in your room... because theyre getting something from someone else.
Sure, theyll be back to praise you again, praise you against all others - bc that's what subs do? lol you must know this by now? haha come on
There was a great discussion about this on LiveJournal a year ago and a few people who were so exhausted with this (endless, ongoing, omnipresent, tedious, omfg) real vs fake Dommes debate broke character and one of them essentially said "If you want to be remembered by subs as being the most real Dommely domme: dont charge. If you find yourself squabbling with other Dommes about subs: dont charge. If you dont like the online domination scene and who your colleagues are: Dont charge. If you think youre too real to be doing this: dont charge"
That kind of shut down the conversation :shrug:
I get you said you need to be creative about your streams of income so Im not using that story to be flippant but you need to develop a sense of levity about this or youll burn out. Youre angry about this so early already. If you get preoccupied with this to the point of no return your customers will have moved on - like they all do - to someone whose real or perceived Dommely dommeliness is up for debate... and a debate that only jaded customers and catty performers are invested in. "My business is a business" is a better statement to keep in mind than "omg the girl next to me never co-hosted a munch!"
If there is something you take so seriously offline that you cant separate (monetized) fantasy from reality: dont do it on cam.Easy peasy. Much easier to get into character, much easier to leave your ego at the door.
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@Roast I remember that lj discussion. I lurked because I use my lj for fannish stuff and I do not need potential subs reading my Star Wars fanfic.LOL
One always has to remember that the customer is hustling us while we are hustling them.
PS Roast will you marry me? My gf won't mind at all.
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
One thing you ladies may have to tell me about is that I don't know about how studios work. The ones I'm talking about are the foreign girls separated by bright bed sheets. Except for the Domme part its more like mahogany bookshelves and leather chairs. I'll be honest...I don't know how that works aside from they are generally all in the same room?
This was not a sales pitch...it was a rant I just wanted to get out and wondered if other people shared similar feelings. It will not be plaguing me for the rest of my camgirl career, it was just...surprising and caught me off guard. I didn't mean for it to come across as something I am obsessing over. It was the frustration of being unable to find someone telling the truth that got to me. It was the straw that broke the camel's back sort of thing.
The whole overseas studio thing is starting to make me thing of that movie "Taken" so I'm really hoping to shake that out of my head. lol.
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Re: Horrible camgirls that give good ones a bad name...A rant
yes, they're generally all in the same room/area. and no, it's not always trafficking.
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...ht=trafficking