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Some Potentially Valuable Info to Escorts, SugarBabies, and FBSM gals
So I did something naughty (oh, what else is new). A client bet me that there is "absolutely no way you can get past eccie's security". Ha. I laugh as internet security...the term is oxymoronic. For $20, I was a verified "premium" male member of eccie for two weeks.
This is an escort post/review site popular in the south US, though they have sites for just about everywhere in the world. Most popular seems to be Texas.
Here's what I found:
- There is an entire "Secret" national thread dedicated to Sugardaddy/Sugarbaby relationships. Being a SD is actually RECCOMENDED to men on a budget for how much "bang you get for your buck". They are on all the big sites (Seeking Arrangement, SugarDaddyforMe, etc) and swap links to compare the most gulible and most "stuck up" SB wannabes. They preach things such as not paying anything until after the first fuck, and most worriesome, they post private pictures they take with or of thier current SBs, usually nude or in something sexy the SD purchased "just for the two of them" For girls who are specifically looking for non-sex SD's, they often lead them on or spam them or otherwise harass them just to get them off the site.
Now normally, I'd just say okay, this is the world of BS we live in but this BS happens to be on an extremely popular website. As in, many men have learned everything they know about being a SD from this part of eccie and they actively recruit men who would normally seek escorts from BP, Eros, TER, Eccie, etc in to this lifestyle. These guys are not trying to keep their ways secret, they are trying to "help" the non-sex SD's, even going so far as warning "career SB's" to guys who may be about to commit to them. Guys often seem to come by to check to see if the potential SB puts out before going on the first date, if she does not, he may very well just stand her up. Its the single fastest growing aspect of this website, as per my sleuthing.
- Also, as for the men who do see providers, escorts, private dancers, fbsm girls, - essentially ANYONE who screens, one of the most readily available info is how to maintain fake info for screening. Many of these men have even gotten on p411 via burn phones and pre-paid credit cards. This is, to a certain extent, understandable. But, for the guy who's not trying to hide it from his wife - from the guy who is the bad guy, this is very dangerous.
Again, eccie is not known to be a website full of the most upscale gents so the idea that they're doing sleazy things is not so suprising. The fact that they do not even use the word "provider" in the private areas (they just say whore, or hooker - no matter how much you clearly are to the contrary) is annoying, but not threatening. But some of this stuff is just downright dangerous. You check IDs? They sell fake ones. You require employer verification? They work together to set up alias's. The list goes on. I'm going to figure out some solutions, until then, you have been warned.
Stay safe.
Please.
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Re: Some Potentially Valuable Info to Escorts, SugarBabies, and FBSM gals
Daniella, was this from the archived thread on SD's on the Eccie boards? A member on the SB/SD site had posted a link to it, but it was all archived threads, from earlier this year. I was never able to find where the current active thread was. Maybe it's only available to paid members?
Even the archived thread had most of what you described above. I did see the old threads where they were talking about posting women's photos, but the photos themselves were not visible, (again, either because it was an old archived thread, or maybe only visible to paid members, not sure).
It was disturbing reading, but I also have to wonder how much of it is really true, and how much is just delusional male bravado/ bragging. People lie on the internet all the time. One guy who posted was asking advice about what to do when a particular SB was hemming and hawing about meeting, when it was perfectly obvious to anyone that the lady in question wasn't all that interested in this dude. Meanwhile, they're all telling this guy, "dump her", or "demote her to third or fourth choice", or "make sure you let her see *you're* in charge". I'm like, wtf? Hello! If she's putting off meeting you over and over, this chick's clearly not that interested in you dude. Maybe she found someone who doesn't spend all day on an internet board, comparing notes on how to get laid while spending the least amount of money!
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Oh yeah, my "friend" saw that. ;) There is another post in the Men's Lounge about a guy wanting to take a girl to Vegas and wanting to know how much he should pay and one of the guys said "pay her for BCD time only and the rest is on her". Really??!! How tempting...
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Wow...I think the most disturbing thing is the sharing of photos. What the fuck? For people who want to be discreet and secretive they sure are willing to share someone else's info. That's disgusting. And if you want to get laid while spending the least amount of money, find a streetwalker...or find some chick at a bar. I'm honestly sickened to read your post but thank you for warning us.
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I have said it many many times - I hate the review sites
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When I read the Mayflower Madam, I thought to myself, that must have been a much better time to work in the business. There was none of this review board crap.
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Originally Posted by
littlemissbliss
Daniella, was this from the archived thread on SD's on the Eccie boards? A member on the SB/SD site had posted a link to it, but it was all archived threads, from earlier this year. I was never able to find where the current active thread was. Maybe it's only available to paid members?
Even the archived thread had most of what you described above. I did see the old threads where they were talking about posting women's photos, but the photos themselves were not visible, (again, either because it was an old archived thread, or maybe only visible to paid members, not sure).
It was disturbing reading, but I also have to wonder how much of it is really true, and how much is just delusional male bravado/ bragging. People lie on the internet all the time. One guy who posted was asking advice about what to do when a particular SB was hemming and hawing about meeting, when it was perfectly obvious to anyone that the lady in question wasn't all that interested in this dude. Meanwhile, they're all telling this guy, "dump her", or "demote her to third or fourth choice", or "make sure you let her see *you're* in charge". I'm like, wtf? Hello! If she's putting off meeting you over and over, this chick's clearly not that interested in you dude. Maybe she found someone who doesn't spend all day on an internet board, comparing notes on how to get laid while spending the least amount of money!
From the looks of it, the posts I saw were all current. I'm a "paid" member ($20 for 2 weeks, not bad for what I learned). There's something Premium Access male members can do in any thread on any part of the forum that allows you to make a "private" post that only other PA members can read. So, its a possibility that at some point all pictures and posts on that forum were made private to PA members only.
Since I first got on (as a female, lol) my bookings have skyrocketed now that people know I'm real. I had my first month were 0 of my clients were from BP, all eccie, eros, or p411 but most heard about me on eccie then went to or back to the other sites. I wish I could cut out that middle man but if your not "active" on the boards, it costs you publicity and potential revenue. But the boards are full of everything not fun about doing this. I try to find threads that are not full of drama or potential drama to post in, but they're pretty much nonexistent. Most girls seem to bend over and just take it as long as the mean words aren't being directed exactly towards them. Its a vicious cycle.
Thankfully, the guys I see are not the guys who are actively posting (yea, because they have real jobs...and lives) but they do use it as a means of proving legitimacy before contacting a provider.
I take comfort in the fact that I probably made several times more cash in the last 36 hours then they will all week. :)
However, I'd rather know then not know.
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Originally Posted by
littlemissbliss
When I read the Mayflower Madam, I thought to myself, that must have been a much better time to work in the business. There was none of this review board crap.
Yes , it was a much nicer time to work before the review boards. The clients seemed much more respectful and loyal.
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Wait...so the warning I posted on that thread wasn't enough ? Lol
These guys on eccie are scumbags. I posted on the state of the union thread about how they degrade their so called sugarbabies. Even the stupid lines they use on civie chicks is lame. They prey on mostly 18 year Olds...and they're like old as hell. Ew
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I saw a few posts on that site and wow just seriously evil shit there. I do see many sugar babies as dumb on that SA blog. I'm not trying to be mean but they don't realize most of the guys that they are kissing up to are broke as fuck. Do they really think a guy has all day to post on a blog and is holding down a job , has kids and a sugar baby too? I almost want to post screaming HEY STOP TALKING TO THESE LAME ASS LOSERS THEY HAVE NO FUCKING MONEY , THEY ARE JUST LONELY AND NEED ATTENTION !! Once that eccie shit hit the SA blog most of those guys cleared out and even that mod who I thought was the shit let his connection to that site slip out. Oops .
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So true! I had those same issues when I thought I was so smart shopping for a SD! I originally thought it would be a win-win situation, but it was always a suboptimal escort situation with me being on the losing end financially if I went along with it. Even difficult clients like the one I had tonight is a little less annoying since I actually earned from him haha.
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Sugardaddies/sugarbabies are a thing of the past IMO. Too many losers posing as rich when they aren't. Finding a sugardaddy is a waste of time because those sugardaddy sites are 98% poor men posing as rich who solely want a discount escort who will spend 6 hours with them for $150. Sad but true. Its not worth it anymore. It died out in like 2010. Too many men learned how to scam and too many girls STILL fall for it. And it takes hours just to weed out time-wasters when you could be working making $$$.
My last straw was a guy I went to dinner with who seemed to have money and promised to pay a lot. I asked a small amount for our dinner (like $150 or $200 or something) and then he said "lets eat light!" and ended up tipping less than 10% despite the excellent service we received. So gross. That's when I realized they are just time wasters. Seriously. If you meet one in real life, cool, but you won't know he has money until after you've gone on a few dates or if you just get lucky. Don't use sugardaddy sites unless you have a lot of time to waste.
And the legit rich men I dated had horrible attitudes and were either fat+ugly+depressed or annoyingly cock+materialistic. Couldn't deal. lol
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Originally Posted by
GlamourRouge
Sugardaddies/sugarbabies are a thing of the past IMO. Too many losers posing as rich when they aren't. Finding a sugardaddy is a waste of time because those sugardaddy sites are 98% poor men posing as rich who solely want a discount escort who will spend 6 hours with them for $150. Sad but true. Its not worth it anymore. It died out in like 2010. Too many men learned how to scam and too many girls STILL fall for it. And it takes hours just to weed out time-wasters when you could be working making $$$.
My last straw was a guy I went to dinner with who seemed to have money and promised to pay a lot. I asked a small amount for our dinner (like $150 or $200 or something) and then he said "lets eat light!" and ended up tipping less than 105 despite the excellent service we received. So gross. That's when I realized they are just time wasters. Seriously. If you meet one in real life, cool, but you won't know he has money until after you've gone on a few dates or if you just get lucky. Don't use sugardaddy sites unless you have a lot of time to waste.
And the legit rich men I dated had horrible attitudes and were either fat+ugly+depressed or annoyingly cock+materialistic. Couldn't deal. lol
Correct!!! Some Sugar baby posted that there are over 210,000 women and only 30,000 men. By the calculation of 98% being fake that only leaves 600 real SD's and they can be anywhere from unattractive to hedious. It's a shame because you can read off that blog and these men are telling these women that they have to rewrite their profile , getting them all excited for nothing. It's really a fucking sad thing to see. Even on SD4me guys have been getting busted because LE is already on to that site. Even I saw a girl with a fully nude profile picture in the featured area saying GFE in her description of what she offered. I was like wait wtf?
What I find odd is that anyone in most adult work can find a sugar daddy easier. I mean we have guys coming to us all the time wanting to spend everything on us yet on a site like that any woman in this industry would be hated because they know that cheap bullshit will not fly. Even some escorts have on their listing a 2 hour block of time rate that actually equals the same amout of what these men want to pay for a whole fucking month.
2 hours? Or a whole month of fucking some bitter ass old ugly fucker? I'd be an escort in a hot minute!
lol @ "let's eat light"!!! HA!
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Originally Posted by
cherryblossomsinspring
Correct!!! Some Sugar baby posted that there are over 210,000 women and only 30,000 men. By the calculation of 98% being fake that only leaves 600 real SD's and they can be anywhere from unattractive to hedious. It's a shame because you can read off that blog and these men are telling these women that they have to rewrite their profile , getting them all excited for nothing. It's really a fucking sad thing to see. Even on SD4me guys have been getting busted because LE is already on to that site. Even I saw a girl with a fully nude profile picture in the featured area saying GFE in her description of what she offered. I was like wait wtf?
What I find odd is that anyone in most adult work can find a sugar daddy easier. I mean we have guys coming to us all the time wanting to spend everything on us yet on a site like that any woman in this industry would be hated because they know that cheap bullshit will not fly. Even some escorts have on their listing a 2 hour block of time rate that actually equals the same amout of what these men want to pay for a whole fucking month.
2 hours? Or a whole month of fucking some bitter ass old ugly fucker? I'd be an escort in a hot minute!
lol @ "let's eat light"!!! HA!
Its so dumb. I've never been an escort or had sex with a sugardaddy, but its what like ALL sugardaddies eventually expected. Even when I made myself clear that it wasn't going to happen, they just took it as a challenge. Men are so fucking dumb. I can't even.
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I have to say I was just as dumb! So yes I was on that site dreaming and every guy that contacted me was asking the same. All where hideous with exception of one. And even the good looking one was too busy talking about how much he was spending on himself to keep my interest.
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Originally Posted by
cherryblossomsinspring
I have to say I was just as dumb! So yes I was on that site dreaming and every guy that contacted me was asking the same. All where hideous with exception of one. And even the good looking one was too busy talking about how much he was spending on himself to keep my interest.
EXACTLY why I refuse to date men who live the "rich" lifestyle. Which are 80% poor men who live on credit and 20% narcissistic attractive me who are generally completely selfish. I don't even think I could sugarbaby again if I tried. Even if the perfect sugardaddy came along. Too emotionally and annoyingly DRAINING. ugh lol
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Yea, true SD/SB died the second it hit mainstream media. Escorts now call themselves Sugarbabies, Sugarbabies act like cheap "escorts". Delusions of grandeur all around....
Bleh.
(But damn was it good while it lasted ;)
ALSO: I think I'm going to take the plunge and get a Spokeo.com subscription....I think its the best way to circumvent some of the tactics guys employ to get around screening.
AND, for any ladies who use p411, its actually in their terms of use for male members that they agree to submit themselves to ID checking by providers. I need to find the exact link, but if a guy is seeing you through a p411 booking, he's already agreed to an ID check when he joined the site, essentially. Refusal to comply would be a violation of terms of use. I guess matching up his p411 ID info and his RL ID info can help with the "fake id" deal, but I'm hoping not too many of those are floating out there anyway...
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With LinkedIn being used by just about everyone these days, if a guy couldn't be found there, I would definitely be suspicious. And if he's on there, and only has one or two connections, (but claims to have a high prestige job), even more questionable.
In regards to the SB/SD stuff - I found a couple of men who were genuine, and nice enough guys, but their social skills were not great, and they had zero sex appeal. They were generous without being demanding on the first few dates, but I knew eventually they would want more, and I knew I just couldn't. Even if you can manage to wade through the fakers, and/or jerks who are looking for a bargain escort, you're still looking at the distinct possibility that the few "real" ones might not be people you connect with, so the pool of true potential SD's is very, very, small. I imagine the ones that have money and charismatic personalities don't have to spend too much time selling themselves on a website.
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Also check out this thread on usasexguide:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3088-Big-Jay-in-Atlanta
(copy & paste)
Read down the page for his advice on how to take advantage of naive women on sugar daddy websites.
Here's a copy:
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SA is a goldmine
I've been lurking for awhile and have read a few reports complaining about the sugar daddy sites. I can't say anything for the others but SA is amazing. Attached is but a sampling of the reasons I've been quite for so long. Sugar dating isn't for everyone. But you can do it on a reasonable budger if you've got time. You're not going to find a $60 BJ (you will some of the girls are straight up hoes). But its not hard to find a girl who will rock your world for 12. 72 hours for a few Benjamin's. These are real girls who arent looking to bang and endless line of guys, she's not going to blow 10 guysat.60 each but if you can provide 600 a month you can do whatever you want as often as you can schedule if you can provide 6 / month and don't creep her out too much.
You need a little game or a big bank roll.
I've found everything you can imagine on this site:
A local sorority girl who I'd pick up after her frat parties and fuck all weekend for 4 / month. We'd get together on average every 2 days
2 22 yr olds near Winter Park from Christmas. Nye. I spent 11 days with them. They picked me up at the airport and let me stay at their apartment. We never had a 3 some but I fucked them both whenever and however the mood struck me. 1 months rent and a trip to the grocery store. A hotel room for this trip would have cost me at least $1. 5K more and they were great ski instructors.
A 20 yr old from Idaho lived with me for the summer. 6 weeks she cooked, cleaned and picked up girl at clubs. And we fucked like rabbits. 4 / airfare +5 and a little shopping.
A law student who was just looking for a bootie call. 1 Draft beer She still calls on occasion and loves anal.
Here are some pointers:
1. BE POLITE. Always be a gentleman. The internet is creepy be nice and stand out. From what I here most of the guys who email are complete jackasses. Once she's naked you can take off the gloves.
2. Don't LIE. These are real girls and smarter than you think. Be honest or be silent.
3. Spend a little time on your profile. Describe what your looking for. Be clear but not graphic.
4. Get some good pics the site lets you control who can see your pics. You don't have to be Adonis but look good. Cut your hair and look like a guy who can provide what she wants. A little overweight and you can hide it with a head shot. Don't lie but omission is legal. If you're obese hit the gym, you're heart will thank you.
5. Never give out gifts until you're satisfied.
6. Make her cum before you talk about a long term thing. The sorority girl initially demanded $5k and month but talked herself down to 4 / month and a bicycle.
7. Girls under 25 grew up watching porn online. Eat your wheaties
Oh, and he posted all the naughty photos that the ladies sent him, faces included!
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Eww I was just looking at the pics and did you see than guys hairy gut?? No wonder he's such a dick! He is horrible looking. Not sure how they let that pregnant man take pics of them like that.
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^^Lol yeah it would take a lot more than $4k a month to be able to tolerate that!!
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I've been reading that thread.. pure gold!
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yellowrose25
^^Lol yeah it would take a lot more than $4k a month to be able to tolerate that!!
No...
When he said 4/month, he meant 4 hundred, not 4k. See above where he mentions 600 = 6/month. When he means thousands, he adds "k". When he refers to hundreds, he uses the single digit.
He uses the same system for $ in most of his posts. Most posters on the site use the same common system:
.2 = $20
.25 = $25
.5 = $50
$ or "1" = $100
1.5 = $150
$$ or "2" = 200
2.5 = $250
$$$ or "3" = $300
$$$$ or "4" = $400
1k = $1000
1.5k = $1500
etc...
Trust me, this guy isn't giving anyone 4k-5k/month.
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ROTFLMFAO @ $400 a month..wtf?! Wow.
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Wow that's so fucked up!! Sleeping with that nasty bastard for $400?? I mean how does he even get on their face like that? Wouldn't he snap their necks? He even has to take that pic at some weird angle as to avoid his gut getting in the way. EWW that guy is just a bag of gross. Bet that guy is rocking some C's !!