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girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
I have a friend who is looking to earn some extra money with non nude camming or "girlfriend" as they seem to call it on SM. she is super cute and pretty and is fun and full of energy and a hard worker. She is looking to make 20-30$/day. Is this a realistic goal? She knows that it takes time to build up customers ect...
She will not do stuff like fetishes, she is just super pretty and a nice person and great to talk to so I do not know if she can even make money without sexual stuff...
What is a good place for non-nude? I will help her sign up on SM and see how it goes for her. Thank you so much for any advice I would really really like to help her out.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
Tell her if she's going to be WORKING on the internet, she should do some RESEARCH on the internet.
P.S. we have a search feature :)
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
In my experience, SM is a terrible place for non nude if you're not doing fetishes. If she is pretty and has a great personality, MFC could work. Though honestly if she's not open to fetishes she will have a hard time simply because of the things you get exposed to - even if you choose not to participate.
But yes, as chefkitty said, she should do her own research. If she can't manage that, she's never going to make it as a camgirl.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
It's kind of you to want to help her, but she's going to be sitting at her computer for hours on end anyway and it's a little ass-backwards to try and take care of something that she will easily and conveniently be able to do for herself.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
Seriously? If she has to have help in just signing up on a site she may as well give up now.
Just send her a link to the board here and we will help her directly if she is really interested.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
I don't understand why everybody is barking at her when she is just trying to help her friend out.
But to answer your question, yes, it can be VERY possible to earn 20-30 dollars a day just doing that. Streamate has a "non-nude" category, and when you check that box when you sign up, it takes you out of all the other "categories'. Also, IMLive and LiveJasmin have "Hot Flirt" and "Friend" categories that she can sign up under. However, I would DEF recommend she try Streamate first, as Streamate has no chargebacks. IMLive and LiveJasmin are kind of notorious for chargebacks.
Good luck! I hope she has success. :D
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
Thanks for the info, I just wanted to know if it is possible or not to earn that amount because I am new to camming myself and did not know if it is a realistic plan or not. We did try to use the search function but it did not give a lot of useful info.
She has no problem being exposed to fetishes she just does not want to do them because of personal reasons. All she has to offer is great looks and a lovely bubbly personality...
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
But she doesn't want to pursue any number of other jobs/careers that utilize great looks and bubbly personality, she's not willing to try fetish work, what exactly does she expect guys to pay her for? Smiling and talking? They can get a smile and a chat in person, for free.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
I have personally spoken to some girls on here who actually do make pretty good money by just chatting and smiling so yes some can pull this off. Props to them for making that work.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
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ChefKitty
But she doesn't want to pursue any number of other jobs/careers that utilize great looks and bubbly personality, she's not willing to try fetish work, what exactly does she expect guys to pay her for? Smiling and talking? They can get a smile and a chat in person, for free.
Ohh not true. There are many, many men who are cripplingly lonely, have social difficulties, extreme shyness, who find it hard to even talk to women. One of my highest paying clients JUST wants to smile and talk. No sexual stuff. No fetish stuff. When he comes on, upon his request, I put on a t-shirt, put the camera to my face and we just chat about stuff.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
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Incantatious
Ohh not true. There are many, many men who are cripplingly lonely, have social difficulties, extreme shyness, who find it hard to even talk to women. One of my highest paying clients JUST wants to smile and talk. No sexual stuff. No fetish stuff. When he comes on, upon his request, I put on a t-shirt, put the camera to my face and we just chat about stuff.
Ah, but there is a difference between 'good chat' and a smile and chat. Because these men have social difficulties you really need to know how to make them 'emotionally comfortable' and in my opinion not every cam girl will be able to rock the casbah like you do. ♥
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
I think the important point is that while some customers just want to talk, the majority of them are looking for an interactive, solo pron star. That said, a goal of 20 to 30 is very modest and I think you could probably make that in a t shirt with a lampshade on your head if you stayed on long enough.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
^^^^I think the key words being "if you stayed on long enough" You say her goal is only 20-30 a day but you never said how quick she expects to make it. An hour? Five hours?
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
So your friend is looking to get paid to sit around and look pretty? I wish her luck with that. That said Charlotteslut is right, put in enough time and i'm sure she'll make a few dollars but seems like a waste of time to me.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
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Charlotteslut
That said, a goal of 20 to 30 is very modest and I think you could probably make that in a t shirt with a lampshade on your head if you stayed on long enough.
Mawahahahahaha! I don't know you but that statement just made me love you. ;)
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
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Charlotteslut
That said, a goal of 20 to 30 is very modest and I think you could probably make that in a t shirt with a lampshade on your head if you stayed on long enough.
blahahaha
this is hilarious and probably 100% true, camgirls who troll make $$ - sure you can research your options and test and retest, but if you want to have fun for gas or takeout money just be a paidtroll basically. Probably would be more fun for you and whoever stumbles into your room. you'll probably get a bunch of cranky reviews but the rest will get a kick out of it.
MFC seems to have a bunch of camgirl trolls who are hilarious and have decent camscores? Look, my final days of camming Im just trolling. Trolling as hard as I can. Some part of me feels like those final few weeks Ill make more than other weeks when I took camming seriously. I really hope that is true heh heh
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
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ChefKitty
But she doesn't want to pursue any number of other jobs/careers that utilize great looks and bubbly personality, she's not willing to try fetish work, what exactly does she expect guys to pay her for? Smiling and talking? They can get a smile and a chat in person, for free.
Chefkitty you are grossly underestimating the powers of being a camgirl. 100% without a doubt, no questions in my mind to answer your question. Absofuckinglutely do I expect to be paid for smiling and talking. Not only that I expect to be paid $8.99/min to do it. Anyone who is not willing to pay it can get the fuck out of my chat room.
*Isobel edited a portion of the post out, many girls were offended by the strong language and rude caricatures of "all other" cam girls*
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
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cvarga
Chefkitty you are grossly underestimating the powers of being a camgirl. 100% without a doubt, no questions in my mind to answer your question. Absofuckinglutely do I expect to be paid for smiling and talking. Not only that I expect to be paid $8.99/min to do it. Anyone who is not willing to pay it can get the fuck out of my chat room.
*isobel redacted*Don't dismiss the softcore girls. There are at least 4 of us on pages 1 and 2 of SM.
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This proves my original point. The fact that there would be 4 girls in total on pages 1 and 2 of SM shows that it isn't an easy hustle to pull off. ;)
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
On Adultwork there are girls who have guys come into cam and just chat for an hour or whatever...my theory is it's the younger girls and in the evenings that mostly have these guys, and that it's the sugar Daddy and the lonely guy thing. I'm a MILF and just cam during the day, I rarely have a guy who just wants to chat with me.
Also on Adultwork you have the option of instant message with no video...some guys will just chat with me on there but most want sex chat, and that's the same for phone chat too. You can say on your profile though what you do and don't do.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
I can tell for sure i am affected myself by the way this business developed over the years especially what is done in free chat based sites like SM, MFC and such, i dont really fit in this business anymore.
I was used to work pay room only where i will take sexy pictures & video clips, members will join my pay room in order to see me; In time things changed and i see myself between girls who give themselves away in freechat and charge peanuts for gold shows where members got used to get goods for free so they not willing to pay for a private anymore.
They take advantage of the situation and girls are desperate to make money but not the wise way obviously.
I sit in my room and think: ok, what should i do, do what others do and degrade myself, start offering hardcore shows in order to get people in or stick with my way where i show nothing in free, do fetish shows and normal sex in pvt (no anal)? (no offence for who is ok doing what they doing).
I am not young anymore, i dont look like a sex bomb still i am sexy and classy, i wear good quality lingerie and sexy clothes, shoes, nice make up and do my best to please people interested in what i have to offer.
But the problem is there are not many guys looking for my persona type, most guys look for hardcore stuff, they expect to get all in free, they expect to pay very little money for a private, some becomes very rude if i dont wanna show off in free and will even join private to rate me 1 star. There are other models, studio bosses and haters doing exactly this type of activities just to put competition down in order to get themselves better ranking.
I know sites wont promote girls with low earning potential like myself so in my case i can only make some money if i get members that are looking for the exact type of show i offer but the percentage of these guys towards the majority looking for hardcore stuff is very small.
The talk only type of private will apply mostly to very young looking girls, preferable native english speakers that can communicate properly with members, alot of these guys dream they'll meet the model in person so they spend and hope they'll get something out of it sooner or later. A friend of mine was banking cause she knew how to manipulate people minds, she will look pretty young even she was older than me (no kids, easy life spoiled by parents then a nice man spoiling her, no pressure to make money to pay bills), she will play the innocent baby girl wearing schoolgirl outfits, kids clothes and pony tails.
Alot of her members were pedos and she'll just fit into their preferences.
This wont apply to a curvy woman like me, from me guys want sex.
My personal conclusion is: it depends who u are, where u live/ come from, how u look like, what type of character u have, how u know to manipulate people minds; i know each of us is unique and for every of us camming is working differently.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
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cvarga
Pffft I can't remember the last time I stuck a toy anywhere but in my childs' toy box where it belongs. Not all of us have to ram our wares and display it in free chat to earn $1. I know hell will fly over and the sky will turn pink before I shove some nasty ass toy in my crotch for the world to see! Don't dismiss the softcore girls. There are at least 4 of us on pages 1 and 2 of SM.
It is disappointing to find this kind of judgmental holier than thou attitude on sw, I was under the impression that this site was a place for people that work in the adult industry to go for support and information not a place that people go to rip on others for making choices that differ from their own.
Good for you that you are successful in what you are doing, I am happy for you in that regard but just because fucking yourself with a sex toy etc. to make money isn't comfortable for you doesn't mean that it is wrong, it's just wrong for you. People do things for different reasons, have different comfort levels, and what works for some doesn't work for others.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
I thought this thread was to discuss non-nude camming, not degrade and insult those who do nude work. OP, I think it could work for her, but she's going to have to take the time to find a site and hustle that works just for her. Everyone has a different approach, and furthermore, I think it is far more 'abusive' to spew venom on the internet then it is to 'flap your tits around' or 'shove a nasty ass toy in your crotch'. Not everyone gets naked in free chat, or even topless. Not everyone does extreme shows with toys. That is one of the BEST parts about camming for me-- I might choose to do totally non-nude fetish shows one day, and the next, I might want to do toy shows. But in the end, it's up to you, and you can make money whatever way YOU choose. I might be a 'pincushion for dildos (there's no apostrophe in the plural, by the way), but at least I'm a polite pincushion.
Back to our regularly scheduled programming: OP, I've heard of people making a LOT of money on MFC doing non-nude. If your friend has an awesome personality, I'm sure she could do it with enough hard work. Just tinker with your approach until you find it makes you the most money. I think that's good advice for everyone.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
I think there are some other threads on the topic if you search. I seem to remember one from a month or so ago.
What I gained from reading those other threads is that you can make money doing it, but not everyone can. Exactly the same thing could be said for every niche, category, etc. You (the plural, generic "you") can make money from camming, but not everyone can make a lot of money from camming. There is a customer for every model. Are there MANY customers willing to pay each model? Nope. But you have to try it to find out.
The advice that I've heard given over and over for non-nude models is
#1: Decide on some boundaries BEFORE you start camming.
If you decide later that you need to re-evaluate your boundaries, that's perfectly acceptable and honest. If you have no concept of what your boundaries are before you start, then customers will sense that weakness, prey on it, and possibly convince you to do things with which you are not comfortable. This can lead to disillusionment regarding camming, yourself, and men in general. If you have your boundaries, know what they are, are honest with yourself, and refuse to do anything that you know will make you feel bad about yourself, then you should be fine and should not resent this industry. That's just my personal opinion and what I have found to be true.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
Definitely seconding what Jess said about boundaries. If she does not set boundaries before her very first show, she is going to get overwhelmed with guys asking her to do all manner of things, many of which she'll be mildly uncomfortable with, but the pressure might make her cave.
It IS possible to make money as a non-nude model; it comes super-easily for those with a magnetic personality, and for others it's more difficult. I'm non-nude in free chat on any site that I work (I'll get topless on occasion if a certain goal is met, but it never is). I have good nights and bad nights, but if she's planning on topping out around $30, then that'll be do-able once she finds her niche. Getting started as a non-nude can be difficult, depending on how quickly the right guys find you. Some of these guys are LOOKING for non-nude models, just to break the monotony.
She definitely needs an attractive personality to make it work. I don't think just being pretty is going to cut it. She'll have to engage the members; talk about her interests; tell stories, whatever. If she's got any hobbies like instruments, or singing, or dancing, or anything like that, that would go over really well, just because it's DIFFERENT. Sure, she'll get a lot of fly-bys because she's not naked, but in my experience, those guys aren't worth it anyway. I'm only non-nude in free chat (private or group only, or photos/videos; I don't get a lot of privates), so it's more difficult for me to entice people into the room, but I get some really interesting people, and it keeps the room relatively stress-free (except on dead nights). I've ended a show with $14 to show for it after two hours, and I was still in a good mood because it was like hanging out with friends.
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Re: girlfriend/non nude/ non fetish? question for a friend of mine
I know this one is slightly off-topic, but every time I come to this thread, my attention always falls on this and I really wanted to respond.
I figure the stuff here could easily apply to pretty much anyone though (the OP and her friend included).
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AliceFun
I can tell for sure i am affected myself by the way this business developed over the years especially what is done in free chat based sites like SM, MFC and such, i dont really fit in this business anymore.
Lemme stop ye there! EVERYONE fits.
As long as you have the time, the energy, the set-up, and the motivation, you fit.
There are women to suit every taste, and there are men with every taste.
That's the bottom line.
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I was used to work pay room only where i will take sexy pictures & video clips, members will join my pay room in order to see me; In time things changed and i see myself between girls who give themselves away in freechat and charge peanuts for gold shows where members got used to get goods for free so they not willing to pay for a private anymore.
There are still camgirls making bank.
There are still camgirls who don't go "the whole hog" so to speak, who STILL make fantastic money.
There are still guys with cash.
There are still guys willing to part with their cash (and yes, whales still exist!) to watch the camgirls of their choice.
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They take advantage of the situation and girls are desperate to make money but not the wise way obviously.
It depends what you mean by "wise". What is bad money to someone will be good money to someone else. Targets, goals, "good money" are subjective, and EVERYBODY runs their business according to their personal needs. For myself, I charge no less than $5 per minute (and slowly raising it each week), and I charge $7 exclusive. My gold show goals are NEVER, EVER set lower than $100 and are usually $5 - $10 buy-in, unless it is slow, in which case I MAY go as low as $3 buy-in. I aim for at least three gold shows per day. I still meet my targets, therefore I still take money home. I make what I say is fantastic money. Someone could look at me and think I'm not making enough and that what I'm doing is a steal. Though that basically translates to: I wouldn't be making enough for THEM and THEIR needs. I make more than enough for mine.
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I sit in my room and think: ok, what should i do, do what others do and degrade myself, start offering hardcore shows in order to get people in or stick with my way where i show nothing in free, do fetish shows and normal sex in pvt (no anal)? (no offence for who is ok doing what they doing).
Okay, you use the word "degrade", so yes that kinda borders on offensive to those girls who are happy to offer extreme, hardcore shiz, but I know you are so frustrated but it doesn't need to be that way, I promise you.
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I am not young anymore
Congratz! You now fit that wonderful milf category as a classy older lady so many guys would cut off their right arm to watch. You have one hell of a niche to rock right there.
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i dont look like a sex bomb still i am sexy and classy, i wear good quality lingerie and sexy clothes, shoes, nice make up and do my best to please people interested in what i have to offer.
Going from your posts recently, you seem to be frustrated, and (I hope you don't mind me saying), so burnt-out.
A camgirl can put all of her effort into lingerie, clothing, shoes, awesome makeup, but still give off those burnt-out vibes, thus reducing the number of paying clients or getting her poor ratings. A girl could get on cam wearing crappy lingerie, no shoes, no makeup, but give off SEX GODDESS FROM VENUS vibes that she IS horny as hell and *that alone* can reel the guys in. - Because she looks like exactly what they are and want: horny as hell.
Right now I'm looking at a smoking hot chick with a body, face, hair (and actually also from what I can see, her bedroom!) to die for, but her ratings are unfortunately (continuously) low, and there are comments remarking on her being rude, ignoring and actually not doing anything at all in private.
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But the problem is there are not many guys looking for my persona type, most guys look for hardcore stuff, they expect to get all in free, they expect to pay very little money for a private, some becomes very rude if i dont wanna show off in free and will even join private to rate me 1 star.
There are other models, studio bosses and haters doing exactly this type of activities just to put competition down in order to get themselves better ranking.
I guarantee there are guys looking for your persona type. Hell, even if you make your persona angry, bossy and bitchy, there will be guys after you. It's ALL about honing in on specific character traits.
I'm unsure exactly what you mean by "hardcore" (as everyone seems to have different definitions of that), but for me, I don't use any toys. I say I do anal when in fact all I really do is bend my finger towards my palm so I APPEAR to doing anal, (piss-easy to fake it). Even if you don't wanna do that, raise your rates. You can email SM support about the idiot who took you private and rated you 1 star because you didn't show off in free.
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I know sites wont promote girls with low earning potential like myself so in my case i can only make some money if i get members that are looking for the exact type of show i offer but the percentage of these guys towards the majority looking for hardcore stuff is very small.
The talk only type of private will apply mostly to very young looking girls, preferable native english speakers that can communicate properly with members, alot of these guys dream they'll meet the model in person so they spend and hope they'll get something out of it sooner or later. A friend of mine was banking cause she knew how to manipulate people minds, she will look pretty young even she was older than me (no kids, easy life spoiled by parents then a nice man spoiling her, no pressure to make money to pay bills), she will play the innocent baby girl wearing schoolgirl outfits, kids clothes and pony tails.
Alot of her members were pedos and she'll just fit into their preferences.
This wont apply to a curvy woman like me, from me guys want sex.
You concentrate on a very select kind of niche, which is narrow considering the variety of girls who work this gig. The girl you're talking about is ONE girl of MANY who make good money. THAT act works for HER. It will NOT be the same for everyone, as you can see just by looking at the models on the front page. There are women to suit every taste. I've seen GILFS on the front page. Admittedly not many, but it's enough to show that there is an audience, and if a particular fetish is hard to find, there will be more guys willing to pay high amounts of money to finally see something they've been trying a lot time to find which perfectly gets them off. The guys who get off to older ladies aren't going to want to see your friend.
A girl can be a fluent English speaker, and look bored, unattentive, and look like she'd rather be fishing.
A girl could have a low grasp of English but look excited, exciting, and put on a great show.
I would say as long as you have enough of a grasp of English to be able to decipher requests, AND you are attentive and exciting, you are set.
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My personal conclusion is: it depends who u are, where u live/ come from, how u look like, what type of character u have, how u know to manipulate people minds; i know each of us is unique and for every of us camming is working differently.
You're right! I think you just need to be "refreshed". Find new ways to make camming exciting for YOURSELF. Look at some other performers and look for camgirls who INSPIRE you. (This works for me to the point I've ended up spending money on girls myself! I have huge admiration for my fellow performers! Seriously, you will find some awesome girls to be inspired by that can help so much with your motivation). You'll find ways to spice it up enough to hold your OWN attention, because if you can't even hold your own attention on cam, (if you looking at yourself on camera actually bores you / you've stopped thinking you're hot shiz) it's more likely you'll end up boring guys.