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Milfs, Gilfs, and BBW dancers - Isn't there a place for them?
You know, I often find that a lot of big critical guys are saying the older strippers, the bbws, and other fetish fitting girls are usually what you find in the dumpy bars that nobody would bother going to.
Having ran a strip club review website at one point I went around to a lot of clubs, including the "trashy" ones where the BBW dancers, the Gilfs, and Milfs were accepted by the management as well as of course the B-Squad. I found that the door entry fee here was about 10-15 dollars higher for a BYOB all nude (which is a law here in Texas where I am from) and there was expensive parking, yet even still the club is always full. Is it me, or is everyone being a little over critical. I saw a thread on the girls only section that asked when it was time to retire, I think you can really press it because believe it or not there is always some guy out there with a granny fetish, or if a girl is big then some guys like big girls.
Any thoughts? I was just curious how everyone felt about this from both perspectives. My opinion is that variety is the spice of life and too much of the same thing is vanilla so I welcome a little of it all if only for something different.
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Personally one of my favorite places has quite a range of 'women next door' types in a low key environment.
In a strictly visual environment, I guess the hot young things have an advantage, but in the sensual art of flirtation, and the physical eroticism in a LD room, having some maturity is not a negative, in fact I've often found that the mature women have less 'drama queen' and more warmth and a great earthy sensuality. I've greatly enjoyed many MILFs.
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Re: Milfs, Gilfs, and BBW dancers - Isn't there a place for them?
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hotexoticdw
Is it me, or is everyone being a little over critical.
It is you.
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LOL! ^^^ Okay that was amusing.
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hotexoticdw
LOL! ^^^ Okay that was amusing.
I live to amuse you.
I haven't seen the wholesale criticism that you seem to believe exists. In fact, overall the girls on here have been very supportive, even when girls post horrible pics on here and ask, "Should I dance?" You are also jumbling a lot of different types of dancers in your initial question, which makes responding to it difficult.
But I will add that I am sometimes among those who may sound critical of older dancers, particularly those who are busted down and have bodies that are simply no longer what they once were. To me, it is sad to see a girl my age, with everything sagging and a large pouch of a stomach messed up by multiple C-section scars, to be forced to slog it out in a SC in order to provide for her kids. Not only do I not want to see that purely from a visual perspective, but it also makes me a little depressed to see a woman of a certain age still feeling like she has to do this for a living.
But putting my personal feelings aside, there are some older dancers out there who make quite a good living at this, so to each her own. There are guys out there with varying tastes, which most of the posters on here understand. I don't think that you'll find a lot of criticism of certain types of dancers around these parts.
Anyway, just my :twocents:
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Re: Milfs, Gilfs, and BBW dancers - Isn't there a place for them?
Well, and there is my problem with every adult industry business where women entertain in a manner that might be deemed sexual. You mentioned about "still feeling like she has to do this for a living", I like to think that people who don't want to do something for a living shouldn't be doing it at all. That isn't limited to sexual businesses, that is also like if you worked as a roofer and absolutely hated the job but felt you had to do it to exist. I would feel bad hiring you knowing that you were doing it out of sheer necessity rather than passion.
I guess that's my issue, I like to see people do things they love and I have this hope that there are still a few dancers out there who truly LOVE being dancers, LOVE being naked, LOVE turning people on and being a living sex symbol.
Sometimes the economy sucks and you just can't help doing things for a living, let's just hope for a day when people who truly are passionate about what they love can just do that.
When it comes to those bodies, you would be amazed still that some guys and sadly including myself, can find something sexy about them. It drives me crazy because there is a club where I am from where some women are just generally beat up but at the same time they tend to have something about them that is just on fire and that the hotties in the other clubs lack. Part of it is that they are often so much less stuck up, these girls are proving themselves where some girls feel they don't have to and for most men they really don't. Unfortunately because I guess I am a little crazy in the coconut, I tend to drool over their humility, that way of thinking is so much sexier to me than the hottest body and the prettiest face.
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Re: Milfs, Gilfs, and BBW dancers - Isn't there a place for them?
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hotexoticdw
I guess that's my issue, I like to see people do things they love and I have this hope that there are still a few dancers out there who truly LOVE being dancers, LOVE being naked, LOVE turning people on and being a living sex symbol.
Seriously, good luck with this. Women dance because it's a job that pays good money and allows a certain degree of scheduling independence that few, if any, other jobs can match. The ones who are good at it have simply figured out how to fool guys like you into thinking that being naked in front of you or on your lap is the only reason they get up in the morning. Congratulations though. As long as you are spending and not putting the ladies on too high of a pedestal you are the target demographic...
Most of my favs, by the way, are between 35 and 40 and NONE of them have broken-down bodies because they take the job seriously and understand that a flat belly and a tight ass=more money and, even in this crappy economy, dancing pays better than whatever real-world job they may be trained for. As for the flabby, fat and wrinkly gals who never would have been hired in the pre "all you need is a house fee and a pulse" strip club industry well, it just shows that there is a market for just about anything.
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hotexoticdw
I guess that's my issue, I like to see people do things they love and I have this hope that there are still a few dancers out there who truly LOVE being dancers, LOVE being naked, LOVE turning people on and being a living sex symbol.
I don't know a single dancer who wouldn't rather do just about anything else for the same amount of money. BTW, what is a GILF? "Girl, I'd like to....?"
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Well then shame on society for making them think that way. We need to be less repressed I think, but I believe there are dancers who love it I just think that it isn't commonplace, at least yet. I know what you mean though, I know a lot of girls absolutely hate the work and a few years back I knew a club manager that literally had to keep bringing booze for the dancers just to keep them working. Breaks my heart because I can't even deal with going to clubs thinking that as a patron of one I would be taking advantage of someone who is just trying to get by and hates what I stand for as a club goer. So maybe I just have to keep telling myself that the majority enjoy it, even though I know it is limited to a few.
GILF = Granny/Grandma i'd like to F#$% , yeah it repulses a lot of people but there is an audience for it and it isn't exactly small.
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Re: Milfs, Gilfs, and BBW dancers - Isn't there a place for them?
GILF=Grandma I'd like to fuck
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One of the many clubs I haunt is stacked to the rafters with big (and I mean BIG) dancers. Not "thick"....not "chubby".....BIG. I'm just gonna say it - fat. And believe you me there is quite an audience for them - the club is often packed. I have to admit that occasionally I also crave that type of dancer and I know that this particular club will not disappoint.
So yes - there is a market for any and everything that you can imagine.
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Breaks my heart because I can't even deal with going to clubs thinking that as a patron of one I would be taking advantage of someone who is just trying to get by and hates what I stand for as a club goer.
You really like to talk in extremes don't you? First of all, define "just trying to get buy". I personally know several dancers who have made a very good living at dancing for quite a few years. Now, that doesn't mean they love it but t doesn't mean they hate it and despise all customers if not all men. Of course, there is the other end of the spectrum as well. Some girls do dance out of desperation and have limited options. The best thing you can do is be one of the guys that they look forward to seeing. Be generous, be polite and don't be a time-waster.
Now, we have a small problem here....
Oh, believe me, I realize that a lot of dancers appreciate guys who keep their hands to themselves. The truth is however the money is going to be a lot more liberal with girls who don't mind feeding into their regular customer's need to touch, talk dirty, be grinded on, and so forth. I've had plenty of regulars in my day but I go to a club to fulfill my desires not the dancer's. Sorry ladies, that's why I spend the money I work so hard to make. If the roles were reversed, I would understand.
See, this statement from a previous post of yours kinda flies in the face of that whole thing of not wanting the girls to hate what you stand for as a customer. Bottom line, if you don't want them to think that you are a groping demanding jerk then you are going to have to stop being one. Sorry...
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So maybe I just have to keep telling myself that the majority enjoy it, even though I know it is limited to a few.
Yeah, you keep doing that. It will separate you from the other dazed and star-struck looking customers who think that "she really likes me, not my money"....
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Re: Milfs, Gilfs, and BBW dancers - Isn't there a place for them?
Well Yoda, I won't get into detail but my friend that was contextual to the thread it was involved in.
I feel bad when strippers are strippers but really shouldn't be strippers because they want to be prudish Victorian ladies while making money showing off their naked bodies to lusty men and I am one of those lusty men taking full advantage of it. However if I work 70+ hours a week slaving away to make enough money to just have a couple hundred extra a month for a few lapdances, I want to touch some booty and boobies in the process because I slaved and sacrificed to make that happen. In fact, being a single guy, I might not even be able to pay next month's rent on time, at least I can have that small bit of happiness since I worked so hard for it. That's my point.
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There is a middle ground here. Most of us don't rush off to our jobs because that's what we want to do all day, but hopefully the job is a reasonable way to make a living. I've known a few dancers personally and they seem to fit into this category; true they are not rushing to work horny for the first guy to cough up money, but on the other hand they don't hate it and consider it a fairly easy to make a living.
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I feel bad when strippers are strippers but really shouldn't be strippers because they want to be prudish Victorian ladies while making money showing off their naked bodies to lusty men and I am one of those lusty men taking full advantage of it. However if I work 70+ hours a week slaving away to make enough money to just have a couple hundred extra a month for a few lapdances, I want to touch some booty and boobies in the process because I slaved and sacrificed to make that happen. In fact, being a single guy, I might not even be able to pay next month's rent on time, at least I can have that small bit of happiness since I worked so hard for it. That's my point.
There you go again with the high drama. If you wish to grab tits and ass and find girls willing to accommodate, then so be it. You pay them and they provide a service for you. Simple. I do a lot of things with a lot of gals and I really don't see the need to over-think it too much. We are all grown adults and I generally assume that they know what they are doing. I also tend to seek out partners who seem to have more grounded personalities, which helps.
Now I did recently have an epiphany that I no longer wanted to screw around with girls who are in their early 20s and younger. So what did I do? I stopped screwing around with girls in their early 20s and younger. If you really feel so bad about who you are messing around with and what you are doing, then tailor your actions accordingly. But stop already with the crocodile tears about the personal factors that lead girls to allow what they do while you continue to glory in it. You have about as much credibility as the white knight customer who wants to save a girl AFTER he just received a BJ from her in the VIP room. ;)
And as far as your personal finances go, it is obviously up to you how you spend your money, but I would probably think twice about pissing it away on lapdances if I was having trouble paying my bills. Also, how hard you have to work is your problem alone - it doesn't entitle you to anything special from anyone else, including the right to grope and fondle a dancer.
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^ Look, no drama was intended, we went off topic because another thread was brought up that's all. I was just trying to explain myself not start a flame war over the fact that I wanted both perspective and the realization that a number of guys are not the "White Knight" types at all. In fact, at the clubs I go to I would definitely say the white knights are by far the rarity and I have been a critic/ran a site with friends of mine in the past to review these clubs so I traveled to most in the DFW area. So no need to look for a reason to take a shot, just saying what I know can be helpful, what I am saying is that someone should be in a mental/emotional place to deal with blatant sexual deviants and if they aren't then they really probably aren't in the right profession at all.
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^ Look, no drama was intended, we went off topic because another thread was brought up that's all. I was just trying to explain myself not start a flame war over the fact that I wanted both perspective and the realization that a number of guys are not the "White Knight" types at all. In fact, at the clubs I go to I would definitely say the white knights are by far the rarity and I have been a critic/ran a site with friends of mine in the past to review these clubs so I traveled to most in the DFW area. So no need to look for a reason to take a shot, just saying what I know can be helpful, what I am saying is that someone should be in a mental/emotional place to deal with blatant sexual deviants and if they aren't then they really probably aren't in the right profession at all.
You expressed some opinions and folks in here responded, albeit bluntly in some instances. I don't think that anyone was trying to be overly harsh. However, your opinions about how dancers should feel about their jobs and which dancers should probably not be in the profession did come off as a bit naive, especially coming from a guy who front faces as seasoned club hound who ran his own review site and now markets stripper clothing. A self-professed newbie would probably have been cut a lot more slack when spouting weirdly romanticized views of stripper mindsets than a guy with your stated resume.
Putting aside anything else and applying nothing other than common sense, do you really believe that almost any girl would really enjoy strange guys grabbing her tits and ass? That takes a hell of a lot of mental toughness. And, IMHO, just by being out there and earning that money they ARE "in a mental/emotional place to deal with blatant sexual deviants." Under these conditions, how many dancers do you really think "truly LOVE being dancers, LOVE being naked, LOVE turning people on and being a living sex symbol"?
But, as Yoda said, believe whatever makes you happy. Just bring your wallet when you visit your stunningly happy favorite stripper. After all, she may not really be as happy with her job as you wish her to be, but she will most certainly be VERY unhappy if she cannot pay her rent or buy groceries. ;)
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And on that note, I'm punching out of this thread. It was a train wreck from the start and I'm not making things any better - LOL. Besides, guys arguing with other guys on a dancer support site about how dancers think, or should think, is starting to look kinda' silly. ;)
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So much to agree with her in this thread. When I started dancing I worked at a club with a lot of older and heavier dancers. The joke was you had to be 50 and 300 pounds to work there and it was true. Most of these women had no business dancing and it was sad seeing so many dancing who had no other choices. It also embarassed me working with these women because they were gross.
However in other clubs I worked with older and heavier dancers who banked because they had a lot going for them. I've worked with heavier dancers who were big in the butt and hips and banked. I also worked with older women who banked as well, but most of them were looking good for their age. In fact they tended to look better than the younger women because they were usually out of the drinking stage and often were serious about the industry.
So yes there is a place for these dancers as long as they are hot. Fat and old strippers who look fat or old have no business dancing. Dancers should be hot and much better looking than most normal women.
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hotexoticdw
Well Yoda, I won't get into detail but my friend that was contextual to the thread it was involved in.
I feel bad when strippers are strippers but really shouldn't be strippers because they want to be prudish Victorian ladies while making money showing off their naked bodies to lusty men and I am one of those lusty men taking full advantage of it. However if I work 70+ hours a week slaving away to make enough money to just have a couple hundred extra a month for a few lapdances, I want to touch some booty and boobies in the process because I slaved and sacrificed to make that happen. In fact, being a single guy, I might not even be able to pay next month's rent on time, at least I can have that small bit of happiness since I worked so hard for it. That's my point.
As one of those prudish strippers I need to say something. I see what is going on here you want the less desirable dancers because you think they are more desperate. I never allowed men to touch me because I never had to. I worked no touch clubs and you would have been thrown out. I made enough money without being touched at all, imagine that.
Just because you work hard (or so you say)doesn't give you the right to do anything. Years ago I met one of my favorite rock bands, a band I had spent years buying music and other items of. Does this mean I had the right to ask one of them to sleep with me? after all I spent a lot of money on them through the years? If I had mentioned this to the members (who incidentally are great guys)they would have thrown me out and I would have made their psycho list.
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Why bother giving a resume? Okay fine I will though, I went to 3 clubs last Friday night alone, and 7 times altogether last week, on average that's about what I do. I have been to almost every club within about a 75 mile radius of where I live at least once and have been doing this off an on for about 12 years. I ran DFWstripclubreview.com back in 2009 but gave it up because I was indeed naive about adult webmaster laws and protocol. I have also been involved in other aspects of the adult industry as a promoter, or running a cam studio.
I don't really want to spark the white knight legion after me every time I give advice to be a good contributor to this forum but I genuinely want to see two things. More happy customers and more money in the pockets of the dancers. Also I want to see women who belong in the business in the business because it is a buzz kill for many of us to see a girl get real offended by a guy in a club or to watch a youtube video where dancers are spouting off things they hate that customers do, which we expect to do from the get go.
If I am failing to be helpful or just being rude I will take it easy on how I go about wording my opinion on the matter though. I want to respect the community here, even if we may have some disagreements. One last thing, many of the ex dancers and dancers I know, many are self proclaimed nymphos and love all aspects of the sexual experience involved in dancing. Also many are just doing it for a job, but there is definitely a mix and a lot won't be too open about liking it with other women because we have a lot of stigma involving sexuality in the west.
@Kelly - Fair enough, you danced in the right kind of club but for those of us in areas such as mine where it isn't commonplace to be prudish as the entire act is NOT prudish, we have expectations. Especially when we drop 1/10th of our income, call me what you will but you expect major sacrifice from us and we expect it back, fair trade. Not saying it is right, just saying it is what it is moral, legal, or not.
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Just for the record I don't know any dancers who got into this industry because they are nymphos. In fact quite the contrary many dancers I knew weren't interested in sex at all, or sex with men. I didn't get into this industry because of that, I got in because I heard the money was excellent (and I was in college), because I loved to dance (though dancing isn't as important as I thought)and because I figured I had the looks, why not use them to my advantage? I didn't even need to dance either, my parents are middle class, maybe even upper middle class and I could have gone to college without working much at all.
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One last thing, many of the ex dancers and dancers I know, many are self proclaimed nymphos and love all aspects of the sexual experience involved in dancing. Also many are just doing it for a job, but there is definitely a mix and a lot won't be too open about liking it with other women because we have a lot of stigma involving sexuality in the west.
@Kelly - Fair enough, you danced in the right kind of club but for those of us in areas such as mine where it isn't commonplace to be prudish as the entire act is NOT prudish, we have expectations. Especially when we drop 1/10th of our income, call me what you will but you expect major sacrifice from us and we expect it back, fair trade. Not saying it is right, just saying it is what it is moral, legal, or not.
I know I promised to punch out, but I just can't help myself...
Dude, we share the same vision! Clubs filled with nympho beck-and-call girls who are eager to cater to our every desire. Places where good, honest working men can take their modest, yet hard earned money and fully enjoy all of the comforts that these caring and unpretentious women have to offer. I feel you, brother!
Wow. Just wow.
Now I visit the DFW area fairly often. If I have you pegged right, your favorite places probably include Pandoras, Lipstick and Mainstage (before it closed due to a bouncer stabbing a customer - lol). These are among my favorites as well, but for all the fun I've had with girls from these clubs over the years, I never really found an altruistic nympho dancer to fulfill my desires for the cost of a few $20s - lol. The girls that I met in these clubs were indeed of the less plain vanilla variety and many were less than perfect, but it certainly wasn't a love of the job that kept them going. The reality is that virtually all of them had kids to feed and clothe. Now I know that this may burst your "eager nympho dancer who works for the love of the job" fantasy, but reality has a way of doing that. ;)
Idk hot, but if you need strippers to have happy and selfless motivations in order to feel good about what you do, then perhaps it is not the dancers who need a change of venue, but rather you.
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Well I will say that I hate lipsticks lately because they hardly even have dancers up there and there is always a scam going on but if you want a trick then there's a good place. I didn't care much for the Main stage either which is now known as Buck's cabaret and is VERY popular but Main Stage was the very first bar hustle I ever experienced some years ago. At Lipsticks I got too much of a hustle from those girls even though I did check out the action on Friday night and it was the same bland song and dance. In fact the managers where clapping at the strippers to get on stage over and over which I found disrespectful, it was a Friday night and no more than 2 stages out of four were in use. I had a very strange girl hop on my lap and start trying to get me to buy her $8.00 shots, I gave her a wad of cash for a drink and left. It was a full moon, what can I say, I was a bit of an ass about it but that's not a good excuse.
Actually I am also big on Babydolls Dallas and Babydolls Fort Worth. Here lately Rick's Cabaret in Irving can be nice from time to time and there is a little to be said for both of PT's clubs the new Platinum which used to be Jaguars on Manana. They have an excellent rave btw if that is something you could stand and the girls give some amazing dances, I think you could have a great time down here if you get a chance to visit again because the girls are generally great in these clubs. However yeah, the looks and general vibe of someone with different body and facial features than the mainstream is always a nice change.
Anyway we went way off topic, point of the OP really is variety is the spice of life.
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Well Yoda, I won't get into detail but my friend that was contextual to the thread it was involved in.
LOL, dude, I'm not your friend. You made a statement in regards to what you expect from dancers if they want you to spend your money on them. Contextual? LMAO! Every post on this site is contextual. That doesn't mean the opinion expressed in a post doesn't apply across multiple threads. You made what are, in my opinion, contradictory statements.
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I feel bad when strippers are strippers but really shouldn't be strippers because they want to be prudish Victorian ladies while making money showing off their naked bodies to lusty men and I am one of those lusty men taking full advantage of it. However if I work 70+ hours a week slaving away to make enough money to just have a couple hundred extra a month for a few lapdances, I want to touch some booty and boobies in the process because I slaved and sacrificed to make that happen. In fact, being a single guy, I might not even be able to pay next month's rent on time, at least I can have that small bit of happiness since I worked so hard for it. That's my point.
You don't have to defend yourself for liking what you like. That being said, when you try to nominate yourself for strip club customer sainthood on the one hand and then yap about how girls better put-out if they want your hard-earned money some of us are going to call you on it.