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That guy who talks to the girl the whole song from stage to stage
I don't know about you guys but what really drives me crazy is the guy who decides he owns the dancer from stage to stage all through every dance she does. It doesn't matter if her rotation is 10 stages long, you can't even tip the girl. I can understand having an ATF but do you really need to go so far as to basically claim her into strip club monogamy?
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Re: That guy who talks to the girl the whole song from stage to stage
That's on the girl, not the guy. Unless he's tipping her $20's she needs to wander over to every guy at the stage that is waiting to tip her. If she is ignoring other potential private dance customers she can't be too bright.
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Re: That guy who talks to the girl the whole song from stage to stage
Oh yeah, I hate that! Those guys suck.
No, wait, I don't.
If there’s a nude girl on stage, my brain adamantly refuses to acknowledge guys are even there.
It’s so awesome like that.
The fastest way to scare off chum (chumps who slime along) is to start tipping the stage dancer in $100 bills. I am a big fan of always tipping $20s – I don’t bring singles into strip clubs – but sometimes you want to up the game a bit.
When this happens, the dancer will get rid of him for you.
As Yoda notes, the smart dancers know how to work the stage and maximize their money, anyway. The objective of tipping in large amounts is to clear away the cheap guys and assure that she will return to you at the end of her set.
Also, I know you are new here, and you seem like a nice enough guy, but you may want to give some thought to squeezing the Lincolns on your pennies with a little less desperate energy. The one constant in your posts so far is how you try to maximize every penny you spend because, after all, you’ve worked a billion years for that penny.
I appreciate how hard you work for your money. But the best dancers respond to money like flowers to a rainstorm. They flower and bloom and get all sexy and shit and make your day and everybody is a lot happier at the end of the night.
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Also, I know you are new here, and you seem like a nice enough guy, but you may want to give some thought to squeezing the Lincolns on your pennies with a little less desperate energy. The one constant in your posts so far is how you try to maximize every penny you spend because, after all, you’ve worked a billion years for that penny.
Actually I haven't posted that in all of my posts but the value of money is relative to how much you have and your own situation. If I make $300k a year, dropping $1000.00 in a single night is no problem. If I make $30k a year, dropping $100.00 in a single night might be a struggle and heck yeah you will squeeze a wooden nickel til' the buffalo shits as the old saying goes. My point with all of that is to emphasize that we tip for service in a strip club just like we do in a restaurant or in my opinion should. I know a lot of people walk around with those little cards at restaurants to know how much to tip, I tip based on how many times she fills my drink. Therefore, logic demands the better the service the better the tip period.
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I am a big fan of always tipping $20s – I don’t bring singles into strip clubs – but sometimes you want to up the game a bit.
Rock on! You roll through a club like a boss!
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the best dancers respond to money like flowers to a rainstorm. They flower and bloom and get all sexy and shit and make your day and everybody is a lot happier at the end of the night.
Yep, they sure do.
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Re: That guy who talks to the girl the whole song from stage to stage
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hotexoticdw
My point with all of that is to emphasize that we tip for service in a strip club just like we do in a restaurant or in my opinion should. I know a lot of people walk around with those little cards at restaurants to know how much to tip, I tip based on how many times she fills my drink. Therefore, logic demands the better the service the better the tip period.
OK, let’s see if I can do this as briefly as possible.
Yes, money has scarcity-based relative value to the owner. I grew up poor in the thin air of chaparral country, so I know what it’s like when every penny counts. In much of life, this calculus works to your advantage as you try to maximize value.
But the top strip clubs are best enjoyed like Tiffany or Hermes or Per Se or L’Astrance – a different segment on the demand curve – where you are not forever trying to squeeze an incremental and proportional gain out of every single dollar you spend.
So, for example, when I was younger and poorer, I spent a dramatically higher percentage of my income on clubs than I do even now – at the time my friends grew convinced that I had suffered some sort of irreversible brain aneurism – but even then I could see that my experience was so dramatically different from the vague desperation of those fiercely gripping the $1 bills that spending more than my rent at the time was overwhelmingly worth it.
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hotexoticdw
Rock on! You roll through a club like a boss!
God, I hope not.
What I’m suggesting is something else – that you may find yourself happier by unhooking yourself from the rigidity of persistent cost-benefit analysis. I know this is counter-intuitive, but there you are.
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Originally Posted by
hotexoticdw
I can understand having an ATF but do you really need to go so far as to basically claim her into strip club monogamy?
Strip clubs are economic jungles. The guys who spend more on a particular girl get the best treatment and the lower rollers are left with the scraps, if anything at all.
This post struck me as another version of the "why does she sit with him for hours and not approach me for a dance?" complaint. Well, the answer to your question, the complaint that I highlighted above, and others of a similar flavor is simple: because she thinks that catering to him is her best earning option at that moment. If she didn't think that she would be well paid for her time, she wouldn't allow him to monopolize it. This is really not that complicated.
Now I do feel your pain Hote as I have been on both sides of the fence, but I will also say that if I was operating with your budget, which you discussed in another thread, then I probably wouldn't go to clubs at all. Now I am sure that I spend nowhere near as much as AGT does in his pursuit of the luxury experience, but I do spend enough to make me a welcome sight to a number of girls in certain clubs. If I couldn't arrange that dynamic, I wouldn't go nearly as much as I do.
But if you feel compelled to go with short money simply to snag a few dances, then understand where you are in the pecking order and try to pick your spots carefully. For example, places like Pandora and Lipstick are probably good target clubs for you and visiting them earlier in the week may further improve your chances of getting a little attention.
Anyway, just my thoughts for whatever they are worth.
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I couldn't agree more Rick, you guys have your heads together about this.
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God forbid you ever get caught with singles in a stripclub, HED. Maybe I need to make it a point to go through my wallet and pockets before entering any in future, to spare myself mortal embarrassment.
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God forbid you ever get caught with singles in a stripclub, HED. Maybe I need to make it a point to go through my wallet and pockets before entering any in future, to spare myself mortal embarrassment.
This is true, but boobies make us do the darndest things sometimes!
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Originally Posted by
All Good Things
The fastest way to scare off chum (chumps who slime along) is to start tipping the stage dancer in $100 bills. I am a big fan of always tipping $20s – I don’t bring singles into strip clubs – but sometimes you want to up the game a bit.
LOL AGT. I'm sure you also know that you are in rarefied air with that level of spending. Based upon some of your old posts and his more recent ones, I suspect that you spend more in a single night out at the club than Hote earns in a month. Now all power to you and that is no criticism of any kind, but I'm not sure how germane that information really is for a guy who is lucky if he can spare a single Benjamin for a club visit. ;)
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All Good Things
But the top strip clubs are best enjoyed like Tiffany or Hermes or Per Se or L’Astrance – a different segment on the demand curve – where you are not forever trying to squeeze an incremental and proportional gain out of every single dollar you spend.
I am always fascinated by your views on strip clubs. I'll safely assume that you do know that almost any guy with a ten spot in his pocket can walk through the front door of one of those "top strip clubs" and a guy with an additional $20 in his pocket can even buy himself an LD. ;) Now I'll readily agree with you that heightened spending is necessary to truly avail oneself of all that a higher-end strip club has to offer, but given everything I have seen over the years with clubs and dancers, I just cannot bring myself to view the ancillary services and comforts offered by these clubs as anything other than gimmicks and hype. Perhaps I am just too jaded, but there it is.
To relate this to Hote's neck of the woods, last year I dropped into Silver City to check it out. After sitting at the bar for a short while, the manager came over to introduce himself and then proceeded to inquire about my prior Dallas experiences. After I walked him through the list of my normal haunts, he responded with, "So, you like the blue collar clubs." If by blue collar clubs he meant places with attractive and unpretentious women where targeted $20 stage tips go a long way and a reasonable number of Benjamins is enough to ensure that all parties end the night happy, then mark me down for a "Hell Yes."
And in continuing to relate this to Hote's situation, I doubt that you and he would cross paths anyway as, if you visited a Dallas club at all, I have no doubt that you'd be comfortably ensconced in the VIP area of someplace like the Lodge. By contrast, one of Hote's favorite clubs is Pandora, which is noted for its grittier atmosphere and $10 back wall LDs. If anything, I am probably more likely than you to be the guy who he is complaining about because I like to take full advantage of my comparative purchasing power in mid-tier clubs. Though of course I would never be chasing a girl from one stage to the next as I would fully expect her to return if she wants my cash. :)
Anyway, there it is fwiw.
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Djoser
God forbid you ever get caught with singles in a stripclub, HED. Maybe I need to make it a point to go through my wallet and pockets before entering any in future, to spare myself mortal embarrassment.
:rotfl:
I always keep my singles in a separate pocket from the $20's That way there is no chance of me accidentally producing one and embarrassing myself to the point of having to leave the club...
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And in continuing to relate this to Hote's situation, I doubt that you and he would cross paths anyway as, if you visited a Dallas club at all, I have no doubt that you'd be comfortably ensconced in the VIP area of someplace like the Lodge. By contrast, one of Hote's favorite clubs is Pandora, which is noted for its grittier atmosphere and $10 back wall LDs. If anything, I am probably more likely than you to be the guy who he is complaining about because I like to take full advantage of my comparative purchasing power in mid-tier clubs. Though of course I would never be chasing a girl from one stage to the next as I would fully expect her to return if she wants my cash.
Actually I am interested in checking out the Lodge, I agree, you can easily walk into those places with $50 and pretend to fit right in with those guys who have longhorns on their limos and the big cowboy hats down here (actually I am kidding, I've only seen those guys down in the stockyards).
I did roll on in to Spearmint Rhino at one point, the woman who approached me for a lapdance was playing up the Zsa Zsa Gabor bit "I vant you, I need you". So to be honest, I am not even sure some of us fit the demographic for those clubs as at least in my experience they can really cater to more mature tastes. The young bucks are a little less likely to have a good sized wad of cash to blow after all.
Some guys get just possessive over dancers, even to a point where it is obvious they aren't too fond of it. I saw a very large older guy the other day who literally was running up to the main stage when she got up from sitting with him to dance and was grabbing her by the wrist and holding onto her. When other guys even looked from the crowd they got the stink eye. This was in a fairly mid-upper grade club with a pretty expensive CR.
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You get what you pay for....
/close thread
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Re: That guy who talks to the girl the whole song from stage to stage
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Originally Posted by
hotexoticdw
Some guys get just possessive over dancers, even to a point where it is obvious they aren't too fond of it. I saw a very large older guy the other day who literally was running up to the main stage when she got up from sitting with him to dance and was grabbing her by the wrist and holding onto her. When other guys even looked from the crowd they got the stink eye. This was in a fairly mid-upper grade club with a pretty expensive CR.
Trust me, HED, there are plenty of guys playing the High Roller game who actually creep out the dancers a great deal. Oh they'll take the money and pretend to like the guy, sure, and even hang with him the entire time he's in the club--they're just playing their own game 'Take the Weird Rich Guy's Money'.
There's two things relevant to this thread that I've learned from working the clubs for 12 years:
1) Weirdos, stalkers and sexual predators come in all shapes, colors, sizes, and degrees of wealth.
2) Dancers spending all their time and attention on a guy because he is giving them lots of money does NOT mean they actually think he is handsome, charming, or cool. Despite the bullshit some of these guys will sling at you about it if they think they have an audience.
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Here's the thing, unless a dancer is really stupid she will spend more time with the guys who spend a lot of money. When I was on stage I would take a $1 from a guy but not really talk to him. However if a guy was tipping $20 and up I spent more time with him. Years ago I was working this club and these two Texan oilmen came in. They weren't buying dances but would spend $50 each time I went up. There was a couple of other guys at the club who weren't tipping at all, why would I spend time with them? In fact if on stage a guy wasn't tipping at all I spent zero time with him and danced the other side.
To make a long story short, tip more and you will get better service. Don't tip at all and you won't so much get a smile.
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Hey, HED, here’s a few things I’ve learned from actually succeeding in the world:
1. There will always be guys jealous of you, no matter what you say or do.
2. These guys will snark at you, despite not knowing what they are snarking about – thank God for electronic e-mail records that disprove what they insist on falsely snarking about – and will continue to snark long after they’ve promised to stop.
3. These guys will try to bully you. Don’t let them. Bullies are all the same.
4. It will be much worse if you are financially, professionally and personally successful, and can write a literate sentence without an automated emoticon so people actually listen to what you have to say and have an intelligent conversation with you.
5. The above is especially true if the snarker has exactly zero experiences in life that are identical to yours. In other words, failures really hate successes. Hate them. Some things never change from high school.
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Re: That guy who talks to the girl the whole song from stage to stage
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Originally Posted by
hotexoticdw
Actually I am interested in checking out the Lodge, I agree, you can easily walk into those places with $50 and pretend to fit right in with those guys who have longhorns on their limos and the big cowboy hats down here (actually I am kidding, I've only seen those guys down in the stockyards).
I did roll on in to Spearmint Rhino at one point, the woman who approached me for a lapdance was playing up the Zsa Zsa Gabor bit "I vant you, I need you". So to be honest, I am not even sure some of us fit the demographic for those clubs as at least in my experience they can really cater to more mature tastes. The young bucks are a little less likely to have a good sized wad of cash to blow after all.
Some guys get just possessive over dancers, even to a point where it is obvious they aren't too fond of it. I saw a very large older guy the other day who literally was running up to the main stage when she got up from sitting with him to dance and was grabbing her by the wrist and holding onto her. When other guys even looked from the crowd they got the stink eye. This was in a fairly mid-upper grade club with a pretty expensive CR.
Honestly Hote, I am starting to become a bit confused with what your gig is and what you are trying to accomplish.
You have said, in multiple places, that you are on an uber tight budget and seek maximum value, yet you claim to visit seven different clubs each week, which, with cover charges and the like, isn't exactly a value based proposition. Also, you only visit Pandoras 1 to 2 times per month and you do not visit Lipstick at all, so unless you are spending a lot of time in the 2 Chicas Bonitas in the area, you are not exactly focusing on value-oriented clubs either.
Idk dude, but these posts aren't really adding up.
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rickdugan
Honestly Hote, I am starting to become a bit confused with what your gig is and what you are trying to accomplish.
You have said, in multiple places, that you are on an uber tight budget and seek maximum value, yet you claim to visit seven different clubs each week, which, with cover charges and the like, isn't exactly a value based proposition. Also, you only visit Pandoras 1 to 2 times per month and you do not visit Lipstick at all, so unless you are spending a lot of time in the 2 Chicas Bonitas in the area, you are not exactly focusing on value-oriented clubs either.
Idk dude, but these posts aren't really adding up.
I still have the club reviewing mentality in my mind I guess, I feel compelled to keep up to date on what is happening on a lot of clubs. I do spread my money across all I go to and yeah the door gets a lot of it.
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Originally Posted by
Djoser
Trust me, HED, there are plenty of guys playing the High Roller game who actually creep out the dancers a great deal. Oh they'll take the money and pretend to like the guy, sure, and even hang with him the entire time he's in the club--they're just playing their own game 'Take the Weird Rich Guy's Money'.
There's two things relevant to this thread that I've learned from working the clubs for 12 years:
1) Weirdos, stalkers and sexual predators come in all shapes, colors, sizes, and degrees of wealth.
2) Dancers spending all their time and attention on a guy because he is giving them lots of money does NOT mean they actually think he is handsome, charming, or cool. Despite the bullshit some of these guys will sling at you about it if they think they have an audience.
Agreed with both points. When I spent time with men it didn't mean I was interested in them. In fact most of my regulars were NOT men I would have dated in real life, even if they spent money in real life. Many were obese, unattractive and boring men but they were spending money on me. Many of them I actually thought were creepy as well and I couldn't wait to get away from them but stayed as long as they were paying.
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^ Everybody already understands his points. We all agree that the club is all about money and tons of disgusting guys hang out there (check out my rather descriptive post on their common characteristics in the other active thread in this forum.)
Anyway, his post was not about other guys, it was about me. It's the eighth or ninth snipping-at-my-heels post he has put up on the site recently.
Edited by mod. If you have an issue with my moderation feel free to pm me...
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^ I just did. I also reported the post, and could have reported another dozen, but I'm trying to be as reasonable as possible. :)
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Wait, are other posters commenting on you but pretending it's about other people in clubs? That was something I wasn't even thinking about at all when responding to things.
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Just one. He's done this before, repeatedly, and then tries to hide under purported objectivity, until I -- and a bunch of other people -- eventually call him on it.
I think I've been reasonable and restrained about it, but at some point you have to sort of clear the air.
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That's not right at all. I never respond to anything with anyone on here usually the person I am thinking of. I am usually thinking of customers I met in the club, at parties, etc.
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OK, thanks for playing folks....move along now. Nothing more to see here....