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Escort Pre-Payment & Deposit, Anonymous Funds
Saw some interesting points about funds in another thread but didn't want to thread jack.
Ruling out fedex and carrier pigeon, how're you ladies accepting pre-payment and deposits for multi-hour appointments anonymously? I've only sent $, not received $ through moneypak myself. Are you loading the received funds into a prepaid card or linking to paypal? Paypal seems riskier, I've read about accounts being frozen without warning, especially since they aren't adult-friendly. For 500 and under, moneypak seems fine, but what do you do for funds over 500? A client can bypass the 500 limit if he goes to different stores to buy more than one card but that seems too much of a hassle.
What if you don't want the funds tied to a pre-paid card, do you use Western Union or Moneygram? I think they require first/last name and ID to send/claim money, which is a no-go if you want anonymity.
Daniella, how are you liking bitcoin, do they have a daily limit? How do you convert the digital funds to cash?
Lovely, how are you receiving pre-payments?
Does anyone have experience with libertyreserve.com? There are some "paypal alternatives" like enumbered.com, but hard to tell if they're legit or not. Gift cards aren't recommended, could be empty.
Feel free to pm, thanks! :)
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funnymoney
Is it still prostitution (illegal) if no money is exchanged right there at the meeting? Sort of like a prepaid tribute after which a "date" would be scheduled and take place? If so then that might be a loophole to explore.
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Lovelyme
It's a loophole I've explored and have never had a problem with. I can't say the same for others.
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DaniellaOHC
If you want money sent to you in an anon, 100% un-refundable manner with no paper trail...look into BitCoins.
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I'm not sure there's an anonymous way. I read that thing about bitcoin but the following are the only options I've done. Is Bitcoin like a second life denomination? Fastest way is multiple prepaid reload cards, and they don't have to go to separate stores. They can buy a couple at one. Not sure what the cap is.
Get it loaded onto your card and atm it out and put it in your bank or whatever.
There's payoneer which is under your name. They can pay it online but there's like a 7.5%
or something charge which they can cover or take it out of your amount (so specify that they
have to pay it.) This is slower because it takes at least two days to clear.
Then there's going the amazon gift card route. They can do it online and email the gift certificate
to you and then you can buy a prepaid card from amazon--but then it gets mailed to you so time-
wise you're no better off than the first option unless you have a big purchase in mind or use amazon
or similar for all your housegoods.
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Thanks, Fiendish! I like the load card and atm out the cash route. Are you using greendot pre-paid? American express pre-paid looks pretty good too, low fees.
http://money.usnews.com/money/person...-prepaid-cards
Cash is king! Well, I'll take gold ingots too, lol. I tried to buy more than two moneypaks at a store once, loading just 315 on each card, and they said I'd "exceeded the limit," which I thought was weird. So I had to go to a different store. I did some reading on bitcoin and it looks like a totally digital currency and you need to download software to use it. Never used it myself, am waiting for Ms. Dviante to weigh in. :) I'm trying to avoid gift cards so I can put the money away rather than spend it. How are you liking payoneer?
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For $500 and under , I use greendot. For $500 and over, I use greendot. Don't complicate is - keep it simple.
I will also say that accepting deposits as a newbie would be tricky. You will get some guys pass because they don't know if you're
trustworthy.
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Thanks, Lovely! Yeah, need to build up a good reputation before requesting pre-paid or deposits. :) Also just saw that you prefer AmEx pre-paid to Walmart greendot pre-paid. Did Walmart mess with your account?
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I also had a $300 last minute cancellation fee so guess what? I rarely got cancellation. I made it clear that I did not reschedule last minute cancellations. The one time I did get a last minute cancellation , he paid my cancellation fee. It still sucked though because he booked a clock free date so I was out of over 1k. Just be creative. Remember if you don't ask for it, you won't get it. Some guys won't like the last minute cancellation fee but it's YOUR business, not theirs.
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Awesome! I hear ya, gotta set parameters. Bummer about losing the long appointment. Hopefully he re-booked.
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Aether
Awesome! I hear ya, gotta set parameters. Bummer about losing the long appointment. Hopefully he re-booked.
I asked him to greendot the cancellation fee and he said he would rather drop it off in person. He met me at a boutique right next to my hotel and the first thing that came out of his mouth when he saw how hot I looked was " Do you have time now?" Well no. My business doesn't work like that. I had prebooked appointments and couldn't fit him in the whole trip. It sucked losing out on money but it's first come first serve.
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I like reloadit.com cards. I had a hard time getting cash off of a greendot card but I don't remember why. Since then I've just done those cards. I wish they had an online way for a person to purchase a reload pack so then there's just the number.
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Realoadit is great but the prepaid card I mainly use doesn't have it as an option. I still prefer greendot over it. Never heard anyone complain about getting money off of a greendot card. All the customer has to do is text the pin, you enter it in the website or call it in and voila the money is there. Please post when you remember what happened. Thanks for reminding me about reloadit, I used it with my netspend card mostly.
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Good thing he didn't do a runner on you, considering he hadn't already paid the cancellation fee beforehand.
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Lovelyme
I asked him to greendot the cancellation fee and he said he would rather drop it off in person.
Lol, I love this! :D I'm sure he'll be back!
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Lovelyme
IHe met me at a boutique right next to my hotel and the first thing that came out of his mouth when he saw how hot I looked was " Do you have time now?"
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Thanks, will look into this card. :)
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FiendishGyrator
I like reloadit.com cards. I had a hard time getting cash off of a greendot card but I don't remember why. Since then I've just done those cards. I wish they had an online way for a person to purchase a reload pack so then there's just the number.
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Lovelyme
For $500 and under , I use greendot. For $500 and over, I use greendot. Don't complicate is - keep it simple.
I will also say that accepting deposits as a newbie would be tricky. You will get some guys pass because they don't know if you're
trustworthy.
Yeah exactly... I noted OP that you mentioned the hassle of going to different stores to buy more than one MP... its not like that. They can buy them all in one place, the limit isnt on how many cards they can buy, but on how much they can put on one card. One guy had to buy 3 cards to cover the amount he was to send me...it wasnt a problem.
Also, PayPal has no idea if its for adult purposes..the only way they can possibly get a hint and trace it is if its a direct online xfer of funds from one email acct to another...they do backtrace to see if one of those accts have been involved in anything shady. For example, if [email protected] sends you money, that seems innocent enough, but not if he also sent money to [email protected] and [email protected], thats when the flags go up. Moneypak eliminates that. Just dont use your PP acct for adult purposes like paying for ads or memberships to escorts sites and youre fine.
It might possibly help that my PP account is a business account, and I used it for my webdesign services which is what I have my biz listed as, so its really not out of the ordinary or strange that I would accept large amts of money like that... Plus while I do use it for personal expenses, I also use it soley for travel, and all of my web related expenses...so my spending is in line with what I say my account is for.
BTW, there *are* some decent guys out there. When I was on tour, a guy sent an apology email about 2hrs before our date saying he had to cancel, that he felt bad and asked for a timeframe he would be able to come by and give me my full rate anyway, and not only did he give it to me, but just like what happened to Lovely, as soon as he saw me he was damn near kicking himself, and asked me if I had any time available before my trip ended, he would like to see me. And he paid my full rate for that date too.
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Another thing I thought about in regards to prepay appointments, would it not be wise to actually sell a tangible product that these guys can buy under the disguise of actually prepaying for a date. Say you can sell those smelly pencils or nice pens or even letters or poems and each one would be equivalent to your hourly rate. For example one love poem for $400.00 which would be understood to be your one hour rate and so forth, but this way he pays for the product and you email it to him or just bring it to him at your date so this way absolutely no money would be exchanged on your date and so it would just look like two adults getting together to have some consensual fun and surely there's no laws against that. This round about way loophole maybe only work with repeat customer who trust you enough to prepay knowing you are not going to run off with their money but I will assume also that a new guy who is also concerned with playing it safe just might agree to that.
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Also having the client prepay anonymously through green dot would accomplish the same thing as the whole point of this is to avoid any mention, exchange or presence of money while you two are together so it innocently would look like two adults hanging out or on a date to which engaging in sex would be an option.
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The AmEx prepaids are good because they can be loaded through the Vanilla network or Greendot MoneyPaks. I think each one of those has areas of the country where they are more easily available, so it's nice to have options, especially if you travel. With the AmEx prepaid you can receive up to $1000/day total, but not more than $2500 in a 28 day period through reload cards. However, they allow you to have up to 3 cards in your name, so that gives you more freedom, but the total balance across the cards can't reach more than $5,000 at any point in time.
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With the Amex prepaid can you then transfer the funds to a bank account or go to the atm machine and withdraw the money out in cash?
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funnymoney
With the Amex prepaid can you then transfer the funds to a bank account or go to the atm machine and withdraw the money out in cash?
Yes. You can connect it to a bank account and transfer money in either direction, or use it at an ATM. ATM fees are free for the first withdrawal each month on each card & $2 each time afterward.
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BlkSharpie
Also, PayPal has no idea if its for adult purposes..the only way they can possibly get a hint and trace it is if its a direct online xfer of funds from one email acct to another...they do backtrace to see if one of those accts have been involved in anything shady. For example, if
[email protected] sends you money, that seems innocent enough, but not if he also sent money to
[email protected] and
[email protected], thats when the flags go up. Moneypak eliminates that. Just dont use your PP acct for adult purposes like paying for ads or memberships to escorts sites and youre fine.
It might possibly help that my PP account is a business account, and I used it for my webdesign services which is what I have my biz listed as, so its really not out of the ordinary or strange that I would accept large amts of money like that...
Paypal isn't bad, I have an account for this job. I have an erotic fiction blog and my whole photo gallery in a password protected area for members only that I'm thinking of charging a membership fee for, and I'll probably use paypal for that. The only problem I have with people paying deposits by paypal is that the service is 100% on the customer's side. It's not really better than accepting credit card payments.
When I moved a long time ago I sold all the stuff I didn't want to pack on Ebay and this one guy who bought something was really impatient. He wanted me to respond to all his questions the same day, but I'm just not even on the computer every day, so after I emailed to let him know I was shipping his purchase that afternoon I thought we were done for the day. Well, apparently he wanted a confirmation code immediately, and by the time I emailed it to him the next day he had already requested a paypal refund. They took the money back out of my bank account and blocked all other transactions until it was cleared up. I emailed paypal the shipping confirmation so they knew I wasn't a fraud, but they left the block on my account for over a week, and didn't put his payment back in my account for about 6 weeks. In those circumstances I didn't worry because I knew I could prove he received his purchased item, but for this job if paypal decides to give the customer a complete refund there isn't anything I can do.
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Or just use it at grocery stores and max out the withdrawal each time. Not a big deal because atms are only like 2-3 dollars but still. I only do that rarely because why give money away when I grocery shop often and can get the money out for free there.
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AnnelieseBell
Paypal isn't bad, I have an account for this job. I have an erotic fiction blog and my whole photo gallery in a password protected area for members only that I'm thinking of charging a membership fee for, and I'll probably use paypal for that.
Bad idea...Unless you mean using moneypak for payment then thats fine.
Just like that example you gave of the guy who flipped out for no logical reason, these guys will too. Neverminding that they can get their money back very easily...most of the scammers out there ask a girl if shes uses PayPal for that very reason. They get what they want, then all they hve to do is argue the transaction and get their money back.
Also, if they want to spite you, all it would take is for them to write a complaint to PP with the email addy you use for your acct, and say that it was for and adult transaction, and your acct will get shut down very quick. They *all* know this....
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Oh, I got that, thanks, lol. Like I said, I had tried to load about 300+ each on 2 different cards (yes, I'm aware of the 500 limit per card, I mentioned that in my op), but I guess the cashier got confused or did something weird on the check-out cause he said that I'd maxed out the limit for the day. So I had to go to another store to buy the 2nd card. It must've been a one-off glitch.
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BlkSharpie
I noted OP that you mentioned the hassle of going to different stores to buy more than one MP... its not like that. They can buy them all in one place, the limit isnt on how many cards they can buy, but on how much they can put on one card. One guy had to buy 3 cards to cover the amount he was to send me...it wasnt a problem.
Yeah, I've been very careful with my Paypal. The last thing I want is to have them freeze it so I have no access. I also try not to leave a lot of $ in there just in case something goes wrong, and I just add what I need as I go. Like you I use pp for vanilla work stuff, but I keep my vanilla and escort-related accounts separate. Another plus to the business account, you can rename the account so your personal name doesn't show up.
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BlkSharpie
Just dont use your PP acct for adult purposes like paying for ads or memberships to escorts sites and youre fine.
It might possibly help that my PP account is a business account, and I used it for my webdesign services which is what I have my biz listed as, so its really not out of the ordinary or strange that I would accept large amts of money like that... Plus while I do use it for personal expenses, I also use it soley for travel, and all of my web related expenses...so my spending is in line with what I say my account is for.
That's great! Glad to hear that he took care of the issue like a gentleman. :)
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BlkSharpie
BTW, there *are* some decent guys out there. When I was on tour, a guy sent an apology email about 2hrs before our date saying he had to cancel, that he felt bad and asked for a timeframe he would be able to come by and give me my full rate anyway, and not only did he give it to me, but just like what happened to Lovely, as soon as he saw me he was damn near kicking himself, and asked me if I had any time available before my trip ended, he would like to see me. And he paid my full rate for that date too.
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With Moneypack - it is just a $500 limit PER CARD
You can buy as many $500 cards as you want - not a big deal. I do it all the time.
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Nice idea, any lawyers care to comment?
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funnymoney
Another thing I thought about in regards to prepay appointments, would it not be wise to actually sell a tangible product that these guys can buy under the disguise of actually prepaying for a date.
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Thanks for the detailed input, Anneliese. :) Do the AmEx prepaid cards require social security/ID to set up?
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AnnelieseBell
The AmEx prepaids are good because they can be loaded through the Vanilla network or Greendot MoneyPaks. I think each one of those has areas of the country where they are more easily available, so it's nice to have options, especially if you travel. With the AmEx prepaid you can receive up to $1000/day total, but not more than $2500 in a 28 day period through reload cards. However, they allow you to have up to 3 cards in your name, so that gives you more freedom, but the total balance across the cards can't reach more than $5,000 at any point in time.