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Truth about the Streamate Encoder...
So I am Pretty sure that everyone here that uses the encoder has had issues at one time or another. Heres a little insight from my latest
crash last night.
The last few days, the crashes on streamate have been horrible. I am at the point where I am ready to give up. Friday night after 3 hrs
of frustration, I called it a night early. All summer it has been the same story, 2-3 days of freezing and crashing, then after
trying different "tweaks" it works fine again. A couple weeks later, same thing starts again. Kind of like an "encoder menstrual cycle".
Last night started out looking good. No issues for the first couple hrs. Then I get a request pop-up for a TV show. So I take it, and the
countdown starts. With 25 seconds left on the timer IT FREEZES. Now I am stuck in free chat and my timer is stuck on 25 seconds. FUCK here we
go again!! Apparently Guys can still see and hear me though. Then I get a pop-up from the producer that says "START YOUR SHOW'. I tell him
I can't start my show cause I'm frozen in free chat, and I point my camera at the monitor for him to see. Then I get a pop-up that says
dont point your camera at the monitor. Then he cancels my show.
OK so now I'm pissed, and start lighting him up. I say something like "YOU CANCELLED MY SHOW?? When are you guys gonna get your shit together
over at streamate. It's no wonder your company's being taken over by manwin! (Probably shouldn't have said that...but...)
About ten minutes later, I get another pop-up request for a TV show. And I say "I'm apparently having freezing issues tonite"
Then a pop-up that says "We apologize for that..it was a glitch on our end."
So I take the show and it works great. But now I'm thinking....How many of these Crashes and freezes are STREAMATES fault?
Maybe the only reason they KNEW it was their fault Was because a producer(actual human) was wathing my room.
Kinda pissed off now because this last few months I have been trying everything heard of to fix a problem that probably wasnt my
problem to begin with. And they just keep suggesting that its my fault (computer,encoder settings, internet speed)
Well since the issues have started, I have bought 1 new top of the line i7 desktop$$ 2 new top of the line laptops$$, 1 new macbook pro$$$
2 new webcams$$$, spent hours changing settings, reinstalls. On the phone with Adobe support, paid$$ to have professional Geeks come and
check EVERYTHING with my setup. And nothing worked???? I even upgraded my internet WAY beyond the required upload speed and now pay over
$120 a month for internet. After all this is my business, I have to make it run properly.
And now Months afterwards I hear "we apologize- its a glitch on our end" .....Assholes.
So for those of you who are pulling your hair out trying to solve the encoder issues...It probably is un-solvable from our end.
looks like they have been steering us away from realizing what the actual problem is. "STREAMATE's PROGRAMMERS."
P.S. I think I might have pissed the producer off a little too. for the rest of my T.V show he kept sending stupid warning pop-ups.
Like I told one of my regulars during the countdown, "You have time for a 420 break before the show starts" and I get a pop-up that says
"DONT TALK ABOUT DRUGS". Since when is saying 420 talking about drugs?? and a few other warning popups too. Guess I'm prob gonna be getting
suspended soon if their gonna be watching me that close. Time to go work on my MFC profile. lol
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yeah the encoder sucks, ive had it crash during tv show countdowns and during actual shows. Every time i contact support about it crashing they just blame it on my internet connection, which im also paying $120 a month for the fastest speed, and i connect my laptop to the Ethernet cord so they really need to fix there stuff so we all stop losing money
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yup the encoder gives me issues in cycles too. and of course they want you to think it ur fault. i stopped depending on just sm cuz of the issues and the updates. i began to lose $$$$$$ by not being able to get on and do my job sometimes. do whats best for you. btw who says you have to be loyal to just sm anyways? this is YOUR business afterall and no one is gonna care for it like you do. i understand ur frustration and i got a good chuckle outta what you said to them, not gonna lie lol. :)
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Is doing shows without the encoder really that huge a difference in traffic / shows than without?
Im going to start camming tomorrow, but kind of worried if I have all these issues,
and getting the drift that switching to do shows without encoder will not be worth it.
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BlkSharpie
Is doing shows without the encoder really that huge a difference in traffic / shows than without?
Im going to start camming tomorrow, but kind of worried if I have all these issues,
and getting the drift that switching to do shows without encoder will not be worth it.
i tried streaming with the encoder and it really does matter as far as placement wise, you wont get on the front page without the encoder and you might not be in HD, at least thats what it did for me so
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Ahhhh yes placement. Okay thanks that makes sense..they do promote the encoder a lot so Im sure they place you higher for using it.
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Then he cancels my show. OK so now I'm pissed, and start lighting him up. I say something like "YOU CANCELLED MY SHOW?? When are you guys gonna get your shit together over at streamate. It's no wonder your company's being taken over by manwin! (Probably shouldn't have said that...but...)
About ten minutes later, I get another pop-up request for a TV show. And I say "I'm apparently having freezing issues tonite" Then a pop-up that says "We apologize for that..it was a glitch on our end." So I take the show and it works great. But now I'm thinking....How many of these Crashes and freezes are STREAMATES fault? Maybe the only reason they KNEW it was their fault Was because a producer (actual human) was watching my room.
Kinda pissed off now because this last few months I have been trying everything heard of to fix a problem that probably wasnt my problem to begin with. And they just keep suggesting that its my fault (computer,encoder settings, internet speed) Well since the issues have started, I have bought 1 new top of the line i7 desktop$$ 2 new top of the line laptops$$, 1 new macbook pro$$$ 2 new webcams$$$, spent hours changing settings, reinstalls. On the phone with Adobe support, paid$$ to have professional Geeks come and check EVERYTHING with my setup. And nothing worked???? I even upgraded my internet WAY beyond the required upload speed and now pay over $120 a month for internet. After all this is my business, I have to make it run properly. And now Months afterwards I hear "we apologize- its a glitch on our end"
Not wanting to be accused of 'fear mongering', but this is a VERY CURIOUS observation !!! Is it possible that 'encoder problems' with StreaMate aren't strictly 'random' glitches, but something more purposeful being originated from StreaMates end ?
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The last few days, the crashes on streamate have been horrible. I am at the point where I am ready to give up. Friday night after 3 hrs of frustration, I called it a night early
Perhaps that reaction might be part of an intended purpose ?
Again not wanting to be accused of 'fear mongering', but it has struck me as CURIOUS that certain camgirls posting here at SW seem to have few or no problems with the 'encoder', while other camgirls posting here at SW seem to have no END of problems with the 'encoder'. And, as just posted, this seems to transcend the camgirl's computer hardware capabilities and internet upload speed.
One thing IS certain at this point ... that the earnings potential available today to camgirls attempting to work on StreaMates without running the 'encoder' has been significantly reduced.
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That...would suck... but the more I think about it after everything Ive been reading about issues, I have to say it doesnt sound far-fetched at all...
Do those who make substantial amounts of money on SM have all these problems with the encoder too?
Would be interesting if they dont have as many if at all....
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^ i dont think sooo. i see top girls bitching about the encoder every time i watch them and even seen they're gold shows fucked up too! i highly doubt it is deliberate at all. why would try purposefully be kicking me and good PAYING regs out of exclusive? this is money no matter how you slice it, lots of customers are complaining and getting pissed too. why would do this on purpose to just essentially lose $$$$? just doesn't seem very liable.
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Ah ha...got it. Okay nixing the idea.
Keep in mind, I start my first day back on SM after like, a years haitus tomorrow.
So Im half talking myself out of reasons...I always get first day jitters :D
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why would try purposefully be kicking me and good PAYING regs out of exclusive? this is money no matter how you slice it, lots of customers are complaining getting pissed too. why would do this on purpose to essentially lose $$$$?
All I can really say without resurrecting a supposedly 'fear-mongering' conspiracy theory is this. Only StreaMates has access to the 'inside numbers' which show how much revenue a particular camgirl is actually generating, versus how much bandwidth and streaming server capacity ( thus costs ) are being incurred by StreaMates in order to collect that revenue.
I guess it can also be pointed out that, at various points in history, certain capitalists have deliberately sacrificed short term earnings potential in order to achieve a long term strategic goal. Just last night I happened to catch 'The Men Who Built America' via satellite, which covered Standard Oil's strategic move to deliberately shut down all of it's oil refineries in Pennsylvania in order to deprive the Pennsylvania Railroad of oil shipping revenues and thus contribute to their bankruptcy. Standard Oil lost millions of dollars worth of short term refining revenues, but achieved the strategic goal of permanently increasing their profit margin by a large percentage, via permanently cutting Pennsylvania Railroad shipping costs out of their business model.
I'm not claiming that something similar is happening at StreaMates, only answering the question that there could indeed be situations where a voluntary 'loss' of short term $$$ could translate into a much larger permanent 'gain'.
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Melonie
Perhaps that reaction might be part of an intended purpose ?
Again not wanting to be accused of 'fear mongering', but it has struck me as CURIOUS that certain camgirls posting here at SW seem to have few or no problems with the 'encoder', while other camgirls posting here at SW seem to have no END of problems with the 'encoder'. And, as just posted, this seems to transcend the camgirl's computer hardware capabilities and internet upload speed.
One thing IS certain at this point ... that the earnings potential available today to camgirls attempting to work on StreaMates without running the 'encoder' has been significantly reduced.
Even if that theory were true, it wouldn't make sense for them to sabotage her during a TV show since TV shows are Streamate initiated. If their "intended purpose" was to frustrate her to the point of logging off, then they wouldn't offer her a show that would keep her online even longer.
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its not streamate..... TRUST ME and they do care
420=Marijuana its Universal Code. Pre schoolers know this. Dont take the risk talking about it on cam, you never know when the big dogs are lurking aka producer who is obv there
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If SM wanted their highest earning models to place higher, it's a simple formula change. They wouldn't have to mention it, or bother with paying staff members to make it appear otherwise. Variety is why SM does so well. If it ever heads in the direction of being limited to porno stars only, some other company will take it's place.
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Originally Posted by
Melonie
Not wanting to be accused of 'fear mongering', but this is a VERY CURIOUS observation !!! Is it possible that 'encoder problems' with StreaMate aren't strictly 'random' glitches, but something more purposeful being originated from StreaMates end ?
Perhaps that reaction might be part of an intended purpose ?
Again not wanting to be accused of 'fear mongering', but it has struck me as CURIOUS that certain camgirls posting here at SW seem to have few or no problems with the 'encoder', while other camgirls posting here at SW seem to have no END of problems with the 'encoder'. And, as just posted, this seems to transcend the camgirl's computer hardware capabilities and internet upload speed.
One thing IS certain at this point ... that the earnings potential available today to camgirls attempting to work on StreaMates without running the 'encoder' has been significantly reduced.
I'm not gonna out the chica, but are you aware of who Dayzie is on sm? Or that most of the other top earning chicas here have experienced issues with sm at some point or another, whether it be the encoder freezing or the HD icon dropping? Is it really more likely that sm is deliberately f$%king with the incomes of it's top earning chicas, rather than working out the kinks in several major technological changes that have been implemented over the past year?
I respect the fact that you're committed to your theory, but with all due respect this is a bit of a reach.
*edit in response to the above post:
I agree completely. After reading Roast's post in another thread about porn star placement, I checked in on sm a few times, comparing the 'porn star' niche home page to the main home page. Granted, this is just anecdotal, but each time I compared the two, the top porn star on the 'porn star' page was in row 2 on the sm home page. Each time I did check, the top two rows of the sm home page were completely dominated by amateurs.
I don't work the site, so I recognize I don't have much invested in this either way, but it really does seem as if this 'porn star' vs 'amateur' divide exists only in the minds of those who choose to make it a competition or issue.
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The theory that SM is doing this on purpose is plain stupid. We get it, you think pornstars are going to take over! Dun dun dun!
ETA: It's clear you have NO CLUE who Dayzie is on SM. Maybe we should be a little more... thoughtful with our posts? To imply that SM would want to FORCE someone offline who earns what Dayzie does (yes I perv you bb) is so ridiculous that I can't believe someone would make such a statement. Well, I can because you (Melonie) will find any reason to sling this theory on CC with NO information whatsoever.
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I for one welcome our new porn star overlords
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This whole thread is just weird - where exactly is the truth in it? The biggest exposé I can find is that someone at Streamate took responsibility once.
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Originally Posted by
Melonie
Not wanting to be accused of 'fear mongering', but this is a VERY CURIOUS observation !!! Is it possible that 'encoder problems' with StreaMate aren't strictly 'random' glitches, but something more purposeful being originated from StreaMates end ?
Perhaps that reaction might be part of an intended purpose ?
Again not wanting to be accused of 'fear mongering', but it has struck me as CURIOUS that certain camgirls posting here at SW seem to have few or no problems with the 'encoder', while other camgirls posting here at SW seem to have no END of problems with the 'encoder'. And, as just posted, this seems to transcend the camgirl's computer hardware capabilities and internet upload speed.
One thing IS certain at this point ... that the earnings potential available today to camgirls attempting to work on StreaMates without running the 'encoder' has been significantly reduced.
LOL uhhhhh...
http://i.imgur.com/wKAnh.gif
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In response to a few reported posts and complaints I've received about this thread, all I'm gonna add is this. It's becoming absurd that yet another thread is being derailed with this 'marginal cam girl' narrative, in that it detracts from the important discussion of what is actually going on with sm tech issues, and more importantly how chicas working the site can deal with those effects. For chicas who have encountered tech issues on sm, learning that sm has actually acknowledged (lol even once is huge for sm) that they have issues on the site end IS important.
This forum exists for all of us.
I do consider a couple of the posts in this thread to be fear-mongering, but the author is within her rights to post them. That said, the posts were also incredibly rude to a chica about whom the author evidently knows nothing. If the author knew how successful the OP is, she wouldn't have been chosen as the target by an extremely...driven individual striving to find any shred of evidence to prove a theory that's been posted in abundance all over this forum.
Like all of us, the OP is here for support. Suggesting that a chica who comes to our community to share her experience of issues on sm is one of the theoretical 'marginal cam girls' who are now apparently being 'pushed off' sm is not only ridiculous, it's offensive, serving only to detract from the use of this space in ways that serve the needs of the chicas who depend on the site for their livelihoods.
Enough already. Not every thread about sm needs to be sidetracked by this discussion.
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Dayzie ! Check your PM box.
To add my two cents to this thread bc IM ANGRY....Streamate does care about "marginal" why dont some ppl come out of 1999 and get with it. Streamate will take the time to help and SPEND HOURS doing so. They even call our internet provider. They stay up late nights believe it or not worrying about those of us who care enough not to give up bc of negativity and glitches.
My encoder kept fucking up until I CONTACTED THE RIGHT PEOPLE
STREAMATE FUCKING CARES
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Ummm ya, wow. dont know where the whole conspiracy theory stuff came from. TOTALLY was NOT the point I was trying to get across. And I dont think I ever said That streamate doesnt care. I am sure they do care about the problems they KNOW about. My whole point of my story was like loveshooks said, Somebody at streamate FINALLY took responsibility for a crash. And it never would have happened if there hadn't been a tv producer(live human) monitoring my room to see it happen. So probably the point I am trying to get across here (and maybe to streamate) is that its not ALWAYS the models and our equipment that is the cause of crashes. And perhaps if they were to staff their operation with more humans, (instead of autoreply programs) they would have a better chance of getting this whole encoder issue figured out once and for all. Just my humble opinion.
The Main reason I told my story here is because day after day, I read posts here about this damn encoder. And see how much heartbreak, frustration, and money loss it causes so many models. I have cried myself to sleep some nights because the crashes have ruined my night so badly when they happen with 3 seconds left in a 10 minute show, where I just worked my ass off so much I'm outta breath. And then get nothing for it.
It gives me some peace of mind knowing that MY software and MY computer and MY internet MIGHT not be the problem. This is HUGE to have streamate actually admit that this crash was their fault.
And I just wanted to spread the word a little.
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Don't worry Dayzie, your post literally had NOTHING to do with the "conspiracy". It was just another excuse for someone to post a theory that won't die or go away despite no evidence. As a matter of fact the conspiracy came into play due to your post being the only "evidence" of this theory thus far, and being that you are YOU, it is not evidence at all.
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Sometimes when I read about the streamates marginal camgirl thing I feel like its Bambalina 2.0.
Anyways your not alone Dayzie. I've had encoder issue as well. I used it for a year had no problems at all but in the last couple of months it lags, freezes, and has a 30sec delay. I've reconnected, changed and lowered my settings, restored my computer to factor setting, brought a new router, and still have the same issues. My computer is only a year old and I can't even use the encoder anymore. I've been using the browser broadcaster for the last couple of months and even with that I still have problems sometimes. I intended on buying an i7 computer and faster internet but I can't even do that because my earning have went to dookie on SM.
I would be so P'off if I were you. Doing all those upgrades that basically seem required to still have issues. Streamates forever says its the model but how many models need to have the same problem before they actually take a look on their end. Like umm SM your the common denominator here not us. Its ridiculous at this point. Rolling out all these new ways to make money, making us upgrade every little thing but still not fixing what should've been fixed a long time ago. I bet they figured if we get the models to upgrade then we won't have to spend extra money on a server/bandwidth. Not only are they loosing money but so are some of their models. You know its really bad when customers start complaining and leaving. SM needs to get it together.