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Streamate & Nudity: Suspended
Hello, I have a quick question regarding streamates policy on nudity in free chat. I have read on this forum that if you are "behind a wall" (geo block) that nudity is allowed when not doing a private/gold show. My partner and I have a geo restriction, but we suspended for showing "nudity in free chat", however We were NOT showing nudity in free chat. Any user watching us must be logged in with a credit card to view us so there is no "free chat" for us to be showing nudity. We have been doing this since signing up in June and have not had any issues until last night. I'm not asking for any opinions or the your thoughts on wisdom of attempting do get customers to pay by showing nudity (this only is effective for us when doing a gold show countdown), I am just honestly confused about the rules. Does anybody else have experience with this? Is this an area of the rules they are just now starting to strictly enforce?
It just really sucks since this was my day off from my real job and we needed to make money. Now we are suspended. Again, I have read on this forum that being behind a wall protects you from suspensions for this. I did a lot of reading on this site before we started camming. I just don't want to get suspended again and need to know if there is anything we can do to prevent this or do we just need to change our pre-gold show game? We frequently set goal at $200 or so and agree to remove clothing in $25 increments or give oral as the countdown for the show begins to get lower. This works for us because people want to pledge more often and larger amounts to get a pre-show. If this is now the rule than we will have to completely change our marketing gimmick. We will do that if necessary, but would like to know if we absolutely have to. Thanks for your help everybody.
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Its not allowed in free chat period. However, they don't seem to do anything about it unless they catch you (which usually happens). The wall doesn't work and I don't even think its real.
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It's listed in the rules and there is nothing in their rules about there being an exception to that, so best thing to do is just go by their written rules to avoid any suspensions.
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I did implied nudity meaning the cam showed belly up (no cooch) and hand bra after a long gs and was suspended. I was reported a lot which is why i rec'd the 24hr timeout. I dont show coochie ever unless im getting $$$$$$
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That behind the wall thing i believe was something they were testing. Straight BS but those girls had permission to do so. If you are not in paid chat you're in free chat so the naked bjs are straight against the rules.
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Originally Posted by
creampuff1969
I have read on this forum that if you are "behind a wall" (geo block) that nudity is allowed when not doing a private/gold show.
I am just honestly confused about the rules. Does anybody else have experience with this? Is this an area of the rules they are just now starting to strictly enforce?
Again, I have read on this forum that being behind a wall protects you from suspensions for this. I did a lot of reading on this site before we started camming.
Just to clarify: there was a lot of debate here about being "behind the wall", there was never a wholesale "yes this is a secret SM loophole" approach to this. Whenever it was brought up it was very controversial.So, Im unsure how you took one side of the debates and disagreements (often very heated) as fact for everyone.
The people who were previously approved (allegedly, idk) no longer do it. So even if it was allowed it was on a very selective basis, and definitely doesnt apply anymore.
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I'm pretty sure if the wall ever existed, it was discontinued because of the cammodels loophole (you can see anyone in free chat in you go to their cammodel link) which streamate allegedly didn't know about. So this would make those ~*ok in free chat*~ shows illegal and streamate (or "cammodels") held liable I'm sure.
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I see a lot of the front row girls have their hair covering their breasts, a few do show their top half nude and I noticed some even go below the belt nude but with a toy in front of their vagina!!! Personally not recommened, also surely its not good business sense???? Ermmm free w*nk material comes to mind /:O
I never go nude or flash for free, timewasters and freebie hunters really annoy me!!!
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Breast nudity is allowed. Thats it.
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I wouldn't go by what a forum says.
Streamate has guidelines and procedures for every model to read in the FAQ section and one of them clearly states , no nudity in free chat.
This forum will not save a model from suspension/terminating accounts.
Go by site rules (all are different)
MFC ALLOWS NUDITY AND PUBLIC FUCKING ALL DAY LONG if that is what you guys like to do as a couple to lure in custies.
Thank you (sarcastically speaking) from most the models for giving free shows and taking the cheapos away from us ;)
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You might be confused, if you aren't in paid chat, you're in free chat. Nudity and especially sex acts are not allowed in free chat.
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I think it's all bullshit. Just yesterday I hopped on SM and looked around in my category to see how girls are doing, wondering if it's worth it for me to buy an i7 and split with SM. Know what I saw? So much freaking pussy in my face. Clicked on one girl's room, it was just a close up of her cooter, she would flex it when guests/members would come in and just sit there doing nothing when she had no new traffic. Are they going to suspend her? Probably, no. But was she making any money? NO. "Any user watching us must be logged in with a credit card to view us so there is no "free chat" for us to be showing nudity." Honey, just because they have a cc on file are they paying to watch you get naked? Is every single member with a credit card on file paying to watch you give oral? No? Then you're being nude FOR FREE. It's against site rules, and you're giving away free teaser shows to the majority of people who are watching you. Doesn't matter that you are giving "more" of a show to the guys who actually pony up, fact is if you're getting naked and giving your man a bj in free chat while your count down is going on you're doing shit for free. If you have to suffer the repercussions such as being suspended, so be it. We all know that Sm bans selectively (as clearly seen by me logging on as a guest yesterday and still seeing a bunch of vaginas in my face for free). It is what it is. You ask if you need to change your pre-gold show game? Yeah, you do.
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I voted for 'Yes, one time, and then I learned my lesson'.
At the time, I didn't know that it was against the rules to show below-the-waist nudity in free chat. Back then I was giving guys flashes for GOLD. Then I hopped on Streamate one day (well, actually, it was Internet Modeling, the Streamate studio) and realized I was suspended.
Now lately, I'm seeing a lot of models preparing to enter a GOLD show, and when they're like a minute away from the show starting, they will get naked...I guess because they don't wanna wait. They just wanna go right into the show already naked. They take off their clothes...you'll see their bare ass completely, yet they're covering their boobs with their hands. ??? Keep in mind that this is while they're still in free chat with a minute left until the show starts. I've seen top models do this, as well as other models, and I don't think they've gotten in trouble for it. Streamate is strange and inconsisent with their rules, I think.
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drearea
if you aren't in paid chat, you're in free chat. Nudity and especially sex acts are not allowed in free chat.
Also, I want to like this SO MANY TIMES. Just because a member has a credit card on file doesn't mean he's using it on you when he's browsing in free chat. He isn't! Yet another reason to save nudity and sex acts for paid (premium/exlusive/gold show that has actually started) chat so you are actually getting PAID for what you do!!!
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should this be in the streamate thread?
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From SM FAQ
3.No Nudity In Free Chat
In order to prevent minors’ exposure to nudity and adult material we require there to be no nudity in free chat. Nudity is only allowed in age verified areas - also known as “private” or “paid chat”. Nudity in Free areas will result in temporary suspension of your account.
I think it used to say no below the belt nudity, but now it's no nudity period. I don't show anything for free anyway.
Even in your "pre show", you're still getting guys off who haven't/will not join into the actual show for free.
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^^^^^ Well THAT is interesting...I was sure that it was "below the belt" - I have always been careful about that, but show ass/tits for tips...hmmmm.
Anyway..
OP, I think that you may be confused about how "free chat" works. Like someone else pointed out, you are in "free chat" whenever you are not in private, exclusive, or a gold show (as in, doing the gold show, not just in a countdown). It has nothing to do with whether people are signed in with a credit card or not. And as many, many people have mentioned before in other threads, the geo-blocking is only marginally effective. It only works when a customer is logged into the main streamate.com page - your next door neighbor can still see you through your cammodels link, through a proxy, or through some white label sites. The whole "behind the wall" theory has always been hotly contested, and that is the main reason.
As for having done this for a long time without a problem - SM seems to have a policy of suspending based on issues being reported. SO it is possible to get away with stuff for a while, but as soon as a model or customer reports you for a rule violation, you will run the risk of being suspended again.
Honestly, it sounds like you would do better on MFC - the way that you describe your show countdown is the way that things are usually done on that site.
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^Yep! If you're okay with doing shows for non-paying viewers (and I am NOT knocking that if that's your thing, some girls make more that way than pay per minute so to each her own) MFC is really the place to be so you don't have to worry. Just be mindful because if your partner is a male you cannot work MFC with him, but girl/girl shows are fine there. Also, I hear m/f couples on Chaturbate do well and that's the type of site that will allow you to do what you're doing now without getting suspended: nudity and pre-gaming in free chat for tips until you make your $ goal to go all out.
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creampuff1969
I have read on this forum that if you are "behind a wall" (geo block) that nudity is allowed when not doing a private/gold show.
OMGGGGG not the "wall" thing again!!!! Did you read ALLLLLL the posts about "the wall" because I've made plenty trying to get the point across to people that this "wall" thing is total bs and untrue.
Free chat is ANY chat where they are not paying by the minute to view you on cam, with the exception of a gold show which they also have to pay to view you on cam.
NO BELOW THE BELT NUDITY unless you are in PAID (pay by the minute) chat or DURING a gold SHOW, not "pre show". This has always been the rule.
EDIT: I had not noticed that they changed it to "no nudity" instead of "no below the belt nudity" but still... it's quite obvious topless is allowed because girls in TV broadcasts do it and they are constantly being monitored by a producer the entire time they are on TV. So, I assume topless is still allowed, although I don't recommend it.
Another thing, "nudity" doesn't seem to, in this case, mean that you have to have PANTIES on. I have covered myself with things other than panties and am still not showing the goods. Even during TV broadcasts, which like I said, are monitored the entire time to make sure you are following the rules.
Basically.... don't show your pussy or your boyfriends cock. Simple. Why would you want to for free anyway?
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It was always the rule & I pray that it WILL always be the rule. Enough freebees are given on the sly. It's even worse when you're letting them know exactly when to show up in FREE chat (aka "guest" chat) to see free bjs and nudity.
Hopefully one suspension is all you'll need.
By the way, in a category that has such a limited number of models, you were lucky to get away with it for that long. I've heard of so many couples getting reported. They report one another left and right. Also, they will probably give you a 3-day suspension next time, so I would recommend finding another way. And if the model who got you suspended this time sees you giving head in free chat again, you bet she's gonna turn you in faster than you can flash your pussy for free.
Sorry if I sound rude, but I get so irritated seeing all the free sex and nudity.
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I was confused about this as well and asked them straight out to clarify it.. This is the reply I got awhile ago.
Party chat is the same as free chat. You are not allowed to have nudity below the waist in the free chat. Please let us know if there is anything else we can assist with.
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I didnt learn my lesson cause I was suspended for it and immediately called them like WTF! They reinstated my account immediately and I continued to work just as I always have. I never show nudity on purpose but Im very active to get shows started and sometimes there might be a slip. Apparently that day there was and someone felt they needed to report me for it. I had similar incidents where I was reported for having a guy on cam who wasnt register with SM (he was of course but someone still took the time to file a false report) and Once I was suspended because a producer heard me telling a client to "come fuck me" during a GS count down. In all these cases I had my account reinstated with just one phone call.
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Goodness OP just reading your post makes me mad. Whether or not it's allowed by Streamate is beside the point. By you giving it away for free you're just training guys to expect shit without having to pay for it. It's that crap that's making things difficult for the rest of us and it's not a cool stunt to pull. Now if you just happen to enjoy exhibitionism there's absolutely nothing wrong with that and I'm not judging you at all but there's a place for that and a private based site isn't it. I personally recommend Chaturbate. That goes on all day long there which is why I hated it but I think you would do well.