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Bay Area - anyone looking for a space to Cam?
I have a space for rent for anyone that is interested in the Bay Area. We are right by civic center BART/MUNI. it is $20 per 3 hour block - I am trying to keep it affordable as most sites take soo much already. I may have to make the price gp up to $25-30 to make it more feasible - but I will try $20 to start. My ultimate goal is to find those who would like to create something bigger and better e.i. our own collectively-run site. We have the server and the rest of the office around it is techies/biologists/web-developers so we have a really big opportunity here. get everyone under the same roof to actually do a collectively run cam site. anyway here's the link to the CL ad:
Much lov~Jackie
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Uh....that's a lot of money.
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lol @ 'slut-muffins' requirement
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"I am renting the space for $50 per 3 hour block for those starting out. established models will be by a case by case." I think it's a nice idea but the cost is way too high. Do you think that cam girls who are just starting out are going to make much more than $50 in three hours? After paying you they'll probably walk away with less than minimum wage so why would they bother? For just a little more a girl could get an overnight room in a motel with free wifi and cam from there without having to worry about other people in the house hearing her. The room is very nice but I'd reconsider what you are charging.
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^^^ In addition, if its slow, she's not going to want to stay logged in for those 3 hours, and may not even make a profit. You can't really rent by the hour or in hour blocks. It would have to be by the day or the week or the month.
Also... yes, that's a lot of money (and I'm from there!) when you can rent an entire bedroom or studio on airbnb.com for less than $100 a day, probably even less than $50 for a room right outside San Francisco.
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I just hopped on craigslist and looked at rooms to rent in the Bay area, looks like one could easily get a furnished room with utilities included for around $700/month or less. Assuming 30 days in a month, that only comes out to $23.34/day- and the girl could cam there all day every day.
If you want to run a little studio from home maybe do what other studios do and ask for a % of what the girl makes per shift? It's more fair on slow days, you get more on good days, everyone wins.
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Or I feel like... maybe do $50 for a 6 hour shift at least? $90 for 12 hours? That seems more reasonable, but is still high. Keep in mind, this is tax-free cash (unless you claim it) for you, but taxed money for a cam girl. So if you are charging $50 per 3 hours, its more like $70 per 3 hours for that the cam girl ends up paying.
I like this idea in theory, since I don't live in SF anymore, but still go there often. If it was more reasonable price-wise (just because you never know when its going to be slow or dead) and offered longer stretches (6-12 hour blocks), I may even use it.
Also, what is the speedtest.net results of your internet, and how many cammers will be using the internet at once? That factor is huuuuuge.
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Also, if you are only doing 3 hour shifts, how would you clean things in between those shifts for girls? Because ummm things will get dirty and that turns unsanitary. I saw the cleaning supplies, but what about the bedding and pillows and fur wall?
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Also, why would anyone want to use computers and network connetcions that, as you say, are also accessed by "hackers"?
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Honestly, I think that most girls will cam from home?
$50 for 3 hours = $16.6 / hour... hmmm. You know, when there are days when we don't even make that amount, I don't think that it's a good deal. Should a girl cam weekdays and ONLY for 3 hours at a time:
$50 x 5 days = $250 / week
$250 x 4 weeks = $1000 / month
Hmmmm..... Also I feel like the place is small and doesn't have the best lighting.
That's just me being anole though.
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$1,000/mo are you effin' kidding me? That room is ugly, I'm sorry. The deco is awful
And when did SW become a classifeds site? SMH
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tlulu
Honestly, I think that most girls will cam from home?
$50 for 3 hours = $16.6 / hour... hmmm. You know, when there are days when we don't even make that amount, I don't think that it's a good deal. Should a girl cam weekdays and ONLY for 3 hours at a time:
$50 x 5 days = $250 / week
$250 x 4 weeks = $1000 / month
Hmmmm..... Also I feel like the place is small and doesn't have the best lighting.
That's just me being anole though.
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when the world hands you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall.
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you can get fucking hotel rooms in the Bay Area for less than $50 PER NIGHT, or you could just rent a room for $600 a month or whatever. I mean, it would make more sense to just say you'l take 10% or whatever of what a model makes. I don't know if you're new to caming but most cammies don't make enough to do something like this.
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Is it just me or it is her video being too choppy?
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No offense but yeah, sanitation is key, I totally saw her ballsack in the video lol.
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LMFAOOO!!
I love you KourtneyKay.
I'm picturing a 40something couple on the other side of the furry wall (held up with trim nails) copulating, listening to a cam girl doing her privates shows.
Then after happening by to see how she likes the space, nonchalantly suggesting a ball gag and a threesome.
No fucking way!! This whole deal screams WEIRD.
That or it's just another case of someone trying to capitalize off camgirls (you know, since we make SO much money and it is such easy work)
and that makes me a sad panda.
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First, just because I don't think the math adds up in a new cam model's favor, I don't think it's appropriate to discuss how ugly you think the space is. Yes, I am talking to you LilRedRidinGood. That has NO relevance to the discussion whatsoever. The reason I posted the numbers I did earlier was so that new cam girls can get a sense of how the OP's rates compare to other rates they could be paying if they cam elsewhere. Personal attacks based solely on your personal preferences are not only pointless and rude, but they don't help anyone. Do I care if YOU think the space is ugly? No. Why not offer some valuable advice, like suggestions about what might be a more appropriate rate to charge, like other girls earlier in this thread have done (including myself?)?
Long story short, when we offer constructive criticism to benefit the community as a whole, can we stick to the facts and leave our personal opinions at the door? Please? SO tired of reading negative opinions that offer NOTHING of value.
OP, I do hope you find someone/several people to rent your cam space, though I do hope you will take the advice here and reconsider what you are asking. I also hope some snarky comments have not scared you away from Camming Connection, and I apologize if you took my constructive criticism negatively. I know you are one of the top girls in and under-represented category so maybe that has given you an earnings advantage because you have so little competition. However, I assure you that making $50 per 3 hours for the average cam girl not in your niche is something that can take some time to build up to and I don't think many would be inclined to pay that rate just to break even.
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Alright rad - to those who have helped me realize that is too much. I do make money pretty easily on cam. I didn't really struggle to pull down 200 most times I went online. I will adjust that.
To those with constructive things to say; what would be fair? I have invested lots of my time and I do also have bills and shit too. As much as I love bartering and skill trades - I have to make this feasible economically.
To those being needlessly cruel - you are just being mean. I do find what you said offensive - I am a cam model of course I was wearing revealing underwear - you new? You certainly know how to find the easiest and least creative place to place a joke. A trans woman's balls?Really? Pretty scummy. Wonder why I never post in forums.
also the people in the surrounding office 1. don't care in the least about sex noise they make as much as I do 2. They are amazing people and they are loving and kind - would give so much help and advice to anyone in the space, as anyone who was working here is being let into an established hacker/bio/philanthropic community that has welcomed me to this city very warmly. You will gain alot from being in this space - if just for the people. I am not looking for models to be in this who are not looking to form connection to community.
those worried about noise - it is not an issue this is a work space - the live space is adjunct to the offices, but removed from this space.
how much could the average model make starting out - cis model average look?
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Hey Jacqueline,
Sorry if I ever seemed rude, it wasn't my intention. I just calculate things a lot.
I personally think that it's a good idea to have spaces like yours that are available to be rented out by cam models, should they ever need one. Sometimes changing settings keeps the customers happy as some men like to have something different every now and then.
When I started out, I made $100 for a 3-4 hour shift. So $50 would be taking half of a girl's pay for a shift, and the site that work on (MFC) already takes half of what I make. On other sites such as SM, since they only pay you 35%, that would take a toll on a girl's earnings.
I think that charging $50/3 hours is fine, should the room be more spacious with more accessories (like chairs / tables etc) so that the girls can move around and have options for shows. Also, I honestly wouldn't go to a place unless they are provided with really good lights and a great internet connection. And yes, of course sanitation is important. Knowing that it gets cleaned up after every session is also reassuring.
That's my two cents. I'll apologize on behalf of the other ladies here. There were some insults that were uncalled for. I do think that forums are supposed to provide a source of help and information. Please don't be discouraged by SW, it really is a good place for cam girls, it's brought me a lot.
I hope that I've provided you with some useful feedback.
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Can i just chime in and say that transphobia is fucking evil and many model who does it should be ashamed?
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As far as a cis girl of average looks first starting out? Within a couple of weeks on SM I was making $20-25/hour. On Chaturbate I always make around $10/hour and can't seem to make any more than that, which is why I don't cam there anymore. On Naked I can go an hour or more without making anything, and then make $50 in the next hour. Very unpredictable, but I've only been there for three months- but I guess this is relevant since you are looking for new girls (although I am not new to the industry, just that site). On MFC I could barely make $50 a day, but my cam score was in the gutter so I didn't get much traffic, either.
So what woud be a fair rate? Honestly, I think going by percentage rather than a flat fee would be best, at least for the model. DP takes about 15% of each girl's earnings and most are willing to pay that so maybe start there and crunch some numbers to see if that works for you? It's hard because with the holidays and all most girls are reporting that camming is a bit unpredictale these days, more so than usual. As a model I don't like the idea of having to pay a flat fee and then not knowing if I'll even make enough to cover the fee- can you imagine paying $50 to cam but only making $40 in three hours? God that would SUCK. I get what you're saying about needing to make this profitable for you but I do believe you'd get more girls interested if you went by %, at least that would guarantee that they'd never walk away without having made SOMEthing.
And I am unclear from the video, do girls have to supply their own sheets? It kind of sounded like they do when you were talking about all the different colors that would go well with the background wall, but then I also got the impression that everything would be suppied apart from the sex toys of course. I think the comment about showing some skin in the video while being on the bed was more of a sanitation thing and wondering if the sheets were being shared rather than an "OMG I just saw her junk" thing, that's how I I interpreted it, anyway.
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Up to 100 a day for a studio space for 6-8hrs is pretty standard for US studios ... the more hours you work then the less you pay. Usually computers, privacy, and highspeed internet are provided which Im unclear if it is or is not the case here (?) but what she's charging in general is not out of rank.
Physical studios usually dont base it just off of what you earn , youre often charged a flat fee per shift is my understanding or a flat fee in addition to a percentage off of overall earnings. The latter scenario can only work if youre under their virtual studio with the physical studio as well bc that is the only way to reliably extract payments. This makes it harder for the performer to be truly independent or have some mobility beyond working just in this space. Then the physical studio owner also becomes the performer's boss - as Jacqueline seems to want to do collaborative projects with performers, may not be an ideal scenario.
^ Note I only know this bc of a few SW members who talked about US studios in 2011.
It also isnt bizarre for her to post this here, this is a very targeted forum of this very specific demographic.
Im not familiar with rental $$ out there, but my understanding is it is brutal - so of course she'd want to turn a profit. Why people would want or need a studio space has been discussed here a few times, if youre truly baffled, feel free to poke around for it.
Unlike most people who post ads here - she actually cams and cams on sites most ppl on this thread are on. This isnt someone outside our community wanting to bleed everyone dry.
Basically OP, I appreciate that youre open to pricing flexibility and you actually also cam.
I dont think you should base it off of what you're assuming most people should make as itd be hard to enforce and ensure that you're getting paid consistently.
I see youre interested in other projects with cammers, but Id guess your primary focus is ensuring your space is also paid for. Honestly the least confusing process is just "it costs [x] per block of time" and youre paid upfront, or else itll be a major PIA.
Honestly if youre offering a computer, webcam, fast speed internet, and sterilize the room and equipment after each shift - $50 per 3hr block sounds super reasonable to me? That's just about $17 an hour to use a resourced workspace. You could do it by time blocks and refuce the cost per hour the more time used... but if your goal is to do projects with the people who apply - you may want to keep the fees competitive instead of generous so you're attracting and retaining people who will be sustainable associates?
btw, Clorox wipes arent enough but I also am a germaphobe so idk what is normal.
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Girl was just tryina help another girl out (I am sure there are girls out there who this is perfect for, maybe even a real saver!), and make herself a profit in the process. She seems exceptionally sweet, welcoming and easy to talk to, which is a huge selling point for anyone looking to use someone's space for something like this in this industry (where you really want to feel safe and sound). Plus, did you not see her bra?! Ohmigod! *drools*... but anywho!
Something that struck me about her advert, was what she mentioned about bouncing ideas off each other and "collaborations" ... Yes.
If you've also been watching a certain group of performers on Streamate lately, you will know that "collaborations" can turn fucking insane profits. And so, this deal could very easily work strongly in the favor of all people in the deal.
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I also think she is reasonable. 3 hour shifts are a little short, but I think $50 for a four hour shift sounds just about right for the area. It could be a great way for a cammer to go spend a few hours, make some money, and keep it on the sly. It's expensive to set up a cam room, have good internet, a good computer/cam, etc. And for those saying you can rent a room for much cheaper, consider many people don't want to share a place with a cam girl.
Also... I like the room! I cam from one little space on my couch and do just fine. You don't need a ton of space! I've lived in the Bay Area and it's super-expensive. Good luck girlie, I like your room :)!
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All I've got to say is you are hot Jacqueline! And I need that bra!