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CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
Hi to all the girls here... not a good start for a new year i just been kick off from this site directory...with prior notice or not even warnings...
as a cam model/performer everyday you meed different people asking inquiring about buying a show yes we should ask them where did they get ou id's
most of them tell us most of them tell stupid response...right??? heres some of those stupid annoying response from those kind of people everytime you ask the DIVINE QUESTION "WHERE DID YOU GOT MY ID" you got replies like "from a friend" , "from a site" "on the internet" OR MUCH WORST they even answer a question like "IS THAT THE REALLY IMPORTANT" so you get tired asking every person you encounter everyday THEN TODAY...MARK the guy who own this directory site just put a SCHEME pretending to be a client... contact me ask me for a show not knowing it was him he ask HOW MUCH SO I TOLD HIM RIGHT AWAY THE RATES then ASK ME HOW HE WILL PAY ME so I ANSWERED PAYPAL OR CREDIT CARD LIKE WHAT i always answered to every people who contact me..BUT WITH FULL HONESTY i will not offer PAYPAL for a guy from hiS DIRECTORY SITE. AS A RESPECT ON HIM...IF ONLY HE TOLD ME THATS HIS FROM CAMMODEL DIRECTORY i will not offer paypal DO YOU GET MY POINT GIRLS?? i contact him to ask why..he didnt give me A warning HE SAID ITS MY JOB TO ASK PEOPLE WHERE DID THEY GOT MY ID??
I TOLD HIM HIS SITE is not the only directory where i advertise...does anyone here feel the weight of my situation??
IS IT REALLY REASONABLE FOR HIM TO DO SUSPEND MY ADVERTISEMENT..I DIDNT LIE TO HIM WHEN I SAID I WILL USE THE CC PROCESSOR HE SET UP FOR ME IF THAT GUY IS FROM HIS SITE..BUT HE DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IAM TRYING TO TELL HIM..HE DONT EVEN GIVE ME A CHANCE TO DEPEND MY SELF
PLEASE GIRLS TELL ME IF IAM WRONG OR WHAT??
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
^^^I'm sorry that happened, but Mark has made it pretty clear that he won't allow any chica who uses his site to accept paypal from cmd customers. Alot of sites 'test' chicas who are listed, and while the practise does make me a bit uncomfortable I do understand why they do it.
tbh I kinda like that he takes that hardline stance, in that it does make it easier for the rest of us who don't want to deal wih paypal losers
If you continue to accept paypal that's your choice entirely and I sincerely wish you the best of luck with it. If you ever decide to stop accepting paypal def speak to Mark and ask to be re-listed. He's a good guy and isn't unreasonable. I am sorry it happened though, def not a fun way to start off a new year
wishing you peace and tons of $$$$$
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
Something is sketch about this.
Honestly, this guy that owns it puts in a lot of time and money to market you. Now that I am in the marketing end of the adult industry I really understand this and get where he is coming from. You are basically stealing from him when you accept paypal. I would get rid of you, too.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
i know mark is a good guy to be honest i always refer people to cam model directory to pay using CC but none has succeed to go trough i dont know why they having hard time with using th cc processor..its not that i dont want to use the cc processor i even ask for mark about that before when the directory is just new..maybe iam not lucky with it..well i just have to accept my faith...i want to be relisted again..but i guess it wont happen soon since mark is not replying anymore all i wanted to tell him is for another chance..
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
i know he exerted so much effort and money for his site..i dont like the term stealing i didnt know his from cammodeldirectory he didnt mentioned..i never offer other payment method to all those past clients that found me in CMD..
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
You are right and so is the site owner. If it's your client, that you found you can certainly have them pay anyway you want, however you know you made an agreement with a site. You are obligated to ask they guy how they found you. Which if they sad the internet fine then you do whatever, but if you asked every custy then this would be a non-issue.
Personally I have found I don't like dealing with directory sites, because I don't like trying to suss out where a guy found me so I can direct him to the proper payment account, and I do better marketing myself.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
I understand your frustration. I was on two cam directories at the same time and always asked the guy where he found me. I got stupid responses too. Some sites like I think XXXcambabes has it auto pop up so I already knew where they came from. Others it didn't say. If they didn't answer the question or started saying sites that I wasn't even on I just hit SPAM BLOCK. Saves time and energy.
The guy knows what site he's on and where he found you. He's just trying to play dumb so he can start his bullshit paypal speech. I only did Indy for maybe 6-8 months but spent most of my time on Big Box. Still those types were timewasters looking to get around the rules. I often saw girls getting banned because of accepting paypal and I know some guys do this on purpose just to feel powerful and in control. Don't want to give him a discount? He'll save your yahoo id and pester and harass from different accts. I really don't know where these men get the time to do this but apparently they pencil it in on their "to do list".
I suggest perhaps contacting the site company again and seeing if he'll give you another chance. Always ask for future reference. If the guy wants to get snappy or respond with dumb answers then you already know he's a waste of time. Block and move on.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
I see both sides. It sucks that he banned you but that's the risk you took when offering pp from someone you don't know. But I find it a little odd that he refused to tell you where he's from. I also find it odd that it seems like you cannot use another processor for fear he will ban you. If you're getting traffic from all over, and the person doesn't tell you where he got your info from I feel like you can offer whatever you want. Does this Mark guy not realize that girls use other payment processors? Am I missing something? Does he have a certain log in system where the guys are contacting the girls through the site? It just sounds like he's being too possessive, possibly because his payment processor is giving him a percentage. Hate to say it but unless I know the traffic is coming from his site, it's not necessarily stealing if you use another processor. Also, he sounds like he has nothing better to do with his time. Yes, marketing is expensive, it takes time and effort and money to stay on top, run sites but if you don't trust the girls you hire/add then you shouldn't be in this business. Implement an easier system because "stealing" traffic is just something that happens in this industry. I'm not saying it isn't messed up, but it just happens sometimes. Integrate some software on your site and check up on girls that way. On top sites I pay for my spot. If someone finds me there I'm good because I paid for the traffic. I too agree that if a guy is pussy footing around where he found you, let him know that you need that info for future marketing purposes and do not chat with time wasters. Then block his ass. If he's IMing you he clearly knows where he found you.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
^ Ohh the processor line?? Pfft! That would have been an instant block. Why come on a site that has a processor that you "supposedly" can't even use? That's more bullshit. If it's true that he can't use them, it's probably because he's had fraudulent activity and he's been banned from making purchases through them.
Even on MFC that has lets see umm 7 BILLING Processors we still get guys asking PAYPAL BB?
They know most personal information would be visible like full name address etc
Then they know they can refund because paypal is not adult friendly
Also they know that they can seriously fuck up a model's acct where a chargeback could result in that money taken out plus a $600 or higher fine.
It all comes down to : CONTROL AND POWER.
These types seek to feel powerful over the poor delicate and helpless wimminz that they can manipulate into doing anything they want for a shiny dollar bill.
Ohh and if they say " but but other models ..." SPAM BLOCK!". I see all and anyone playing with how I make my money a threat to my very survival.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
this is my whole point....that mark cant clearly understand i never intend to steal his traffic it just that when i open my skype and yahoo messages just keep on popping up asking inquiring for a camshow... and was really stressful because out of 10 inquiries only 1 is serious enough to buy a show...and all our time wasters
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
I think the point is he takes a hard line against girls offering paypal. He has stated that over and over again.
It doesn't matter if you don't offer it to HIS traffic, the fact you do at all makes it 10 times harder for those of us that don't!
I'm personally glad he kicks off girls that offer paypal, it shows he is sticking to the rules he outlined.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
I think Glittery has hit it on the head. Mark is a nice guy... And I think he's trying to discourage cam models from using pp as a WHOLE.... Cuz the more girls that use PP, the more get scammed over and lose PP accounts for doing adult transactions, yanno? :/
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
This is true. I don't accept PP as a payment form anymore (unless the exsugar daddy sends me $$)I've noticed that guys who refuse to use any other payment processor except paypal is shopping for a deal and should be blocked and avoided. Now, there are ways around chargebacks on PP. The "gift" option is what it is, they cannot ask or get their money back and it would be hard for them to win a case even if they claimed "adult" transaction because you can't take back a gift. I do agree that a lot of them are looking for control and power. I had a guy try and steal my "character" from APP once.
He started calling one of my characters several times a day, every time I logged in. He admitted one day that he was leaving APP/Kelly and that he had a previously long relationship with the owner and other girls on the system. They disliked each other and I bet I can guess why. This guy knowingly would steal girls from their platform waving PP in their faces. This cheap SOB knew he was being recorded and Kelly/APP didn't like that he was stealing girls so he voluntarily left. I find that a few guys who are on APP are also on MPS and even NF. He contacts my same character through MPS and again, tries the PP bit with me. I denied him for the 2nd time. His reasoning was that he was a compulsive masturbator (my fav kind) hence his reasons for calling so many times in a day. He admitted to having at least 5 "indy" girls on rotation that he obviously STOLE and that they were okay with accepting $1 per minute or as he so put it. He said he didn't send it as gifts either because he's been "burned". He goes, "I'll pay you $40 a week if you let me call you a few times a day, anytime I wanted, no longer than 8 minutes per session. If I go over, that's okay because I will keep calling you so it's pretty much fair. I'm loyal." Wait, so not only are you trying to offer $1 per min, you're trying to "go over" in minutes? Shut the hell up you cheap bastard!
I told him not only do I not accept PP as payment, I charged $2.50 (at the time) per min. He then tried to negotiate with me. Saying that he wouldn't pay $2.50 or even $2 because he would call so much. I explained that on APP he paid that much and he tried to argue that I didn't receive the whole amount anyway, that he knew all about the "split". I told him to stop contacting me, and that he should go fuck himself for thinking that it's cool to pull one over on women. That he's taking advantage of desperate girls, just because he calls a few times a day. You know what fucker? You aren't God's gift towards women, you have a fucking addiction so you need to pay a bitch what she's owed to take care of it for you. PAY us what you owe in the amount we ask to be paid for and do it through a regular merchant account. This is the type of tools who will try and sucker you with cheapness. I had another client that I DID accept PP from a while back who paid the amount that I charged per min but would still try and go the cheap route. GTFO! Don't do it ladies!
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
maybe its case to case basis why cam models use paypal..but i didnt know that iam making it hard for some girls who dont use paypal but i realized .. well its not my fault too if some client that i redirected to CMD cant use the payment processor.. there i just feel so unlucky with this thing happen today..i just want to work and earned some $$ i never realized that some of my action brings hardship for others.. id really want to apologize to mark..and ask him to give me a fair chance to prove myself..or i should stop being indy and focus on working on big camsite.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
Guys lie about not being able to use the given payment processor...it benefits only them to use Paypal.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
He offers a payment processor on his site. A lot of other sites also offer them too. There is no valid reason to use paypal. At all.
1. You are breaking the listing site rules by using it.
2. You are breaking paypal's rules by using it.
3. You risk having your paypal account shut down.
4. You risk a $500 fine *at least* (and they can take it from your bank or pursue legal action to recoup it... and they DO).
For us?
1. Girls get more 'but other girls accept it'
2. Paypal will go through the ENTIRE CAM LISTING SITE looking for girls and checking them. Think they won't? They will. And Do.
3. Listing sites close because valid customers leave - the same way some guys LOVE paypal? There are repeat and regular indy customers that won't do business with girls that offer paypal.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
yes katy somes are but some just dont know how it goes..and somes worried of what will appear on their bill statement they dont trust it in a sense i just dont know why..some unfortunately give up..but never offer me PP
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
I had a feeling that a guy that contacted me was him one time just trying to mess with me 'cause it was right after he made the switch to the zombaio on the site or pay to be listed. Funny. Sorry you got kicked off. Stop using paypal though mang.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
Not all payment options involve the amount showing on a statement...they can pay cash in some cases or use their phone. I was amazed when I checked out AW's payment options, they really have no excuse for not being able to buy credits.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
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Originally Posted by
loveshooks
^^^I'm sorry that happened, but Mark has made it pretty clear that he won't allow any chica who uses his site to accept paypal from cmd customers. Alot of sites 'test' chicas who are listed, and while the practise does make me a bit uncomfortable I do understand why they do it.
tbh I kinda like that he takes that hardline stance, in that it does make it easier for the rest of us who don't want to deal wih paypal losers
If you continue to accept paypal that's your choice entirely and I sincerely wish you the best of luck with it. If you ever decide to stop accepting paypal def speak to Mark and ask to be re-listed. He's a good guy and isn't unreasonable. I am sorry it happened though, def not a fun way to start off a new year
wishing you peace and tons of $$$$$
Nice way of putting it. Accepting paypal for adult transactions is against paypal's policy and every time you do it you are risking having your account frozen and losing money along with it. Not a smart move. There are so many ways to get money from guys; you don't have to use paypal. You really should just stop it. If not, you'll learn your lesson the hard way when you get robbed by some asshole who does a paypal complaint against you, causing you to lose the money he paid you and potentially more when paypal freeze's your account for breaking their rules.
Further, if it is against CMD rules for you to accept paypal, then he is entirely justified in banning you. Why would he want to keep someone around who blatantly breaks his rules? You don't have to ask every guy who messages you for a show where he got your ID; what you SHOULD be doing is not accepting paypal becuase 1) it's stupid to do so for cam business and 2) it's against the rules of the site(s) you advertise on and 3) it's against paypal policy to use paypal for adult transactions!!!!
Yeesh. I'll never understand why girls insist on doing what is so blatantly the wrong thing to do, and then complain when it backfires on them.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
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Originally Posted by
kortneykay
This is true. I don't accept PP as a payment form anymore (unless the exsugar daddy sends me $$)I've noticed that guys who refuse to use any other payment processor except paypal is shopping for a deal and should be blocked and avoided. Now, there are ways around chargebacks on PP. The "gift" option is what it is, they cannot ask or get their money back and it would be hard for them to win a case even if they claimed "adult" transaction because you can't take back a gift.
Actually, it doesn't matter how the money is sent, it can easily be taken back by the sender. All he has to do is claim fraud. Paypal will then take the money back from you, start an investigation and as soon as they see anything fishy related to your account they will freeze it and keep any money in it, plus they very well can withdraw money from your linked bank account to "recoup their losses or potentially fraudulent transactions". It has been done many times to many people. You agree to this when you check that you agree to their TOS and by using their service. They take their no-adult rule very seriously and they also take fraud claims very seriously. All anyone has to do is accuse you of fraud or just claim that the payment they sent you wasn't initiated by them and "maybe someone hacked my account" - and BAM paypal will reverse the payment pending an investigation. You will never win that investigation - you will lose the money.
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
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Originally Posted by
GlitteryGoddess
He offers a payment processor on his site. A lot of other sites also offer them too. There is no valid reason to use paypal. At all.
1. You are breaking the listing site rules by using it.
2. You are breaking paypal's rules by using it.
3. You risk having your paypal account shut down.
4. You risk a $500 fine *at least* (and they can take it from your bank or pursue legal action to recoup it... and they DO).
^^^this
while I believe everyone has the right to make their own decisions, I wish more chicas who use paypal would realize that choosing to accept it means that it's only a matter of time before you get fucked over
think about it...the random guys who message you know why most chicas won't accept paypal. They know that not only can they chargeback, they can fuck with you and get your account frozen by reporting you to paypal for using their service for unauthorized transactions
in any business never put yourself in a position where you rely upon the goodwill of strangers, it doesn't often end well
a little anecdote: I have a douchebag who messages me on yahoo from time to time asking for paypal, cuz he's 'travelling' and his card is IP blocked. What the moron forgets is that he actually tried to book a show with me once through my website, but couldn't because he was blacklisted by Zombaio and CCBill for a history of chargebacks. I know that because I checked my transactions records which provide the decline code reason. What are the chances he wouldn't do the same to me if I accepted paypal from him? The reason I never bothered to block him is because I simply ignore his messages, and his messages serve as an occasional reminder of why I need to protect myself.
Like everyone above stated, there is no reason not to use legit processing. The guys who can't are the ones who have a history of bad behaviour. Yes credit card declines are frustrating and zombaio is a bit more finicky than other options, but those declines do protect us as well
anyway, again Angela I am sorry it happened, and I hope you reconsider, or at least think about your business strategy
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
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Originally Posted by
ThatBitch
Actually, it doesn't matter how the money is sent, it can easily be taken back by the sender. All he has to do is claim fraud. Paypal will then take the money back from you, start an investigation and as soon as they see anything fishy related to your account they will freeze it and keep any money in it, plus they very well can withdraw money from your linked bank account to "recoup their losses or potentially fraudulent transactions". It has been done many times to many people. You agree to this when you check that you agree to their TOS and by using their service. They take their no-adult rule very seriously and they also take fraud claims very seriously. All anyone has to do is accuse you of fraud or just claim that the payment they sent you wasn't initiated by them and "maybe someone hacked my account" - and BAM paypal will reverse the payment pending an investigation. You will never win that investigation - you will lose the money.
It can happen, but hasn't at least not for me. I had a guy claim he didn't get an item for me back when I used to sell panties in 08' and accused me of fraud. Thankfully I sent the package along with a post office bought tracking code and I won and got my money back in 3 days time. This is when they were busting people left and right and shutting accounts down like crazy. I understand what you mean and agree that pp is definitely not safe to use for adult transactions as it's against TOS. Just wanted to state my experience in having an account for 5 years that's stayed under the radar. I no longer except PP though for adult transactions
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
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Originally Posted by
AngelaLeeTS
yes katy somes are but some just dont know how it goes..and somes worried of what will appear on their bill statement they dont trust it in a sense i just dont know why..some unfortunately give up..but never offer me PP
Lie.
I don't care if the guy said he never had a credit card in his life. He's LYING TO YOU.
I'm married and my wife may see it on the bill. LIE -- Did the wife find out about all of his porn charges over the last 20 years? Maybe maybe not but again it's not your problem.
His mother's sick and he can't find his card. He needs to use paypal.. LIE
He's having a rough day and he lost his credit card in a rain puddle. LIE
He's having some issues with the payment processor and doesn't know how to make it work. LIE
Take paypal now and I'll use my credit card later. LIE
Are you seeing a trend here?? They are all lies. The guys that contact you contact all women with the same excuses. Guess what? They are ALL LIES.
Now if most of your traffic as you say is NOT coming from CMD, then you shouldn't see much of a loss in traffic and income. Raise you rates about .50-$1.00+ and it should offset any issues going forward.
Make 2013 a new start!!
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Re: CamModelDirectory ( KICKED ME OFF JUST LIKE THAT)
Its actually more likely his wife would bust him Not using the cmd processor sinxe paypal shows he sent money to a female but Zombaio just shows up as zombaio.
Either way its not your problem. you broke a rule. you violated the tos. you have to face the consequences. its not even about not using his processor - its about how girls on cmd who accept paypal make the jobs of those of us who follow rules 5737463x harder.