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Is porn only "worth it" for LOADS of money? Warning - LOOOOONG post!
As you ladies know from my siggy, I write a blog - and I am not ashamed to admit that a lot of the time, I both get ideas and work through them/flesh them out by reading and writing posts on here! I find it a really great way to sort through the swirling mess of thoughts that is mah brain. Hell - you just inspire me! :grouphug:
This is a topic that I have been thinking about for a while, after a series of conversations with a friend of mine who is an escort working out of a "spa" (they are legal round our parts). At this point, I probably make around the same per hour that she does, maybe a little less, but when I first started camming, she just couldn't get over the fact that I was doing it for "so little money" (at the time I think I was averaging $25 an hour). I've had others say the same, especially when I was starting out camming, but also right before I quit dancing, where I was making $2-300 a night and was the highest earner in the club.
There seems to be a social expectation that if you are a stripper or "in porn" (because, lets face it, although WE may distinguish between porn and camming, most non-industry peeps consider camming to be porn. Semantics.) you should be making vast, ridiculous sums of money. As is, sleeping on a pile of benjamins, carrying around bags with $ on them, rocking it like you're Smaug; The Sexy One. (A little something for my fellow naked nerds, there!)
The thing is, I don't see it that way. I mean, in a lot of ways, I think that I DO earn a lot of money. To me, over a grand a week IS good money. And if the conversation starts with my earnings, not my job, it appears that others feel the same. As in "You are in porn? You must earn SHITLOADS! Only $50 an hour? That's not a whole lot..." compared to "Holy Crap! You earn 5K a month? What on earth do you do?".
So what do you think it is? Why is the assumption that being "in porn" is only worth it if you have to hire a forklift to carry your wallet around?
It always seems to me that the reason for it is that people think that doing porn is a bad thing. And that if you are going to do a bad thing, you should ONLY do it for huge amounts of money. Like "would you kill someone for a million dollars?" "Would you let me sleep with your wife for a million dollars". Just watch Fear Factor if you want to hammer the point home - people do things that they normally wouldn't, that they don't want to, and that they don't enjoy, if they are going to get (or might get) a big payoff in the end.
But I don't think that masturbating online is really in the same category as sitting in a tank of leeches for an hour, or taking a human life!!
But to me, camming isn't a bad thing to do. Maybe because I don't have to hide it from people, maybe because I don't ever want to work as a teacher/FBI agent/whatever career, maybe because I don't want kids, so I don't have to worry about it embarrassing them or affecting a custody battle. I don't feel like I am doing something I shouldn't.
I feel like I am providing a service, and making the money I want to in order to live my life the way I want to. And while I COULD probably earn more, I don't WANT to. If I could make a grand a day, every day, but not have the time to take my dog to the beach for an hour every morning, to cook all my meals from scratch, to take online courses, and days off, and relax and read and write...I wouldn't.
So what do you think?
Is porn only "worth it" if your bank statement rivals Scrooge McDuck's?
And what do we mean by "worth it"? Worth WHAT exactly? Worth risking your family's disapproval? Worth having strangers see you naked? Worth......?
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Worth it to me is having enough free time to enjoy my life and having enough money to put away so I can retire one day in a reasonable amount of comfort.
Working day and night and not having a life is not what I want for myself. I do expect to be paid well for doing this though. Working part time hours and getting full time pay is the minimum I would expect, and I would also want that to build over time (which it has, and I am very thankful for).
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laurielegs
Worth it to me is having enough free time to enjoy my life and having enough money to put away so I can retire one day in a reasonable amount of comfort.
Working day and night and not having a life is not what I want for myself. I do expect to be paid well for doing this though. Working part time hours and getting full time pay is the minimum I would expect, and I would also want that to build over time (which it has, and I am very thankful for).
So...why is it that you would expect to be paid well for doing this? What is it about porn that makes you feel like you should be paid double (i.e. full time wage for part time hours)?
I'm trying to drill down to the bedrock of it....why do we expect to earn so much more just because we are naked?
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I'm not naked but I expect to earn more because I do what most people won't or can't. I am effectively cutting off the possibility of numerous other careers so part of it is hazard pay. I guess.
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Because everyone is still stuck on 1990's statistics. $500-$1k/night minimum every night in the clubs, $1k-$3k per scene in porn. No one really wants to correct people when they make this mistake since its going to be an annoying convo ("why are you doing it if you're not making a lot?!?" "why would you get into an industry where pay is decreasing?!" etc.)
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Rina
I'm not naked but I expect to earn more because I do what most people won't or can't. I am effectively cutting off the possibility of numerous other careers so part of it is hazard pay. I guess.
That makes a lot of sense...so hypothetically, if porn/camming/whatever became mainstream, or accepted, and it would NOT limit your ability to work in another industry....would you still expect to earn more? Would you accept earning slightly less?
The hamster has started turning the wheel...
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ManyRoses
So...why is it that you would expect to be paid well for doing this? What is it about porn that makes you feel like you should be paid double (i.e. full time wage for part time hours)?
I'm trying to drill down to the bedrock of it....why do we expect to earn so much more just because we are naked?
I'm an actress and I'm providing a performance. I do it well and I expect to be (and I am) paid accordingly. :)
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I think there are a myriad of reasons we expect to earn more, and getting naked is only one of them.
Social stigma is a big one. Working in the adult industry is looked down up on by most of the population, so by doing it you risk being ostracized, judged and discriminated against.
There is also the risk to future employment. Many jobs will not hire you if 'unprofessional conduct' shows up on a background check.
It's also a relatively in demand job, not a lot of people can / are willing to do it, so the ones who do can afford to charge what they feel they are worth.
And lastly, this job is really hard! I have worked at a restaurant for minimum wage, and that sucked, but this is way harder. It's emotionally draining, physically exhausting and harder to separate from real life.
To me, it's worth it even though I don't make big bucks. I average at least 4 times what I would working minimum wage, and I can do it from the comfort of my own home and whenever it is convenient.
I completely understand why it would not be worth it for some people though unless they were making enough money to put away a lot.
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I think it has to do with all the negative social stigma associated with women's nude and sexual bodies. I've had women call me nasty, disgusting, and gross simply because my existence makes them uncomfortable with their own lack of confidence and sexuality. Men judge us as sluts and whores and use slut-shaming anytime gals like us threaten them. Essentially, we might be living in 2013, but the stigma on the female body really hasn't changed all that much since 1913. Sure, social standards of showing skin are more lax, but the social responses to crossing the "line" of "decency" are the same. In Houston, I have to be afraid of going to jail just for showing my boobs. In that environment, I expect a lot of money. $200 a night won't cut it. All the social stigma makes $300 a night not worth it, either.
I like dancing, but just as with any job, the money has to be worth the sacrifices I make. If I went to law school and got a job with a firm making 30K a year and had to work 70 hours, it wouldn't be worth it. If I waited tables at a nice place with lots of requirements but didn't have enough business to pull over $100 a shift, it wouldn't be worth it.
Just my two cents lol
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This job makes me feel rich, even though I'm not rich in the wallet... (yet! Haha!) ;D
I feel rich with the freedom this job gives me, and that ultimately means more to me than anything else in the world right now. There are many, many rich people who can't afford what I have - because they are tied to their job, their responsibilities, their high-maintenance life. I could be financially rich, and have my freedom under tight lock and key restrictions because I have to work relentlessly to maintain that financial wealth... I could go on like that for the rest of my life, straining and straining for the next $, never even having the luxury to truly enjoy my life to the extent I can with this job until I retire.
Sometimes I feel like I need to pinch myself to actually ensure I'm not just dreaming... This really is what my life has become. I work when I feel like it, and enjoy life whilst I still can because you just never know what could be around the corner. Prior to camming, I was living in fear of my future whilst suffering through long-term illness worrying about how bleak my life would be... How would I make money? How would I make enough to sustain myself? What job is right for someone like me? Now I have money; I have enough to sustain myself; and this job is perfect for me.
And now, I am about to move into a lovely apartment, neighboring the place of some dear friends, spending a lot of time with my partner, concentrating on the things that mean most to me, and making up for lost time! I feel deeply enriched - this is utter luxury to me because I've never had this measure of freedom before. I chose making new memories and making less money, over making more money but having less adventures.
I actually don't even yet know how much $$$$ I'm capable of making! All I know is that I'm capable of making a lot more than I currently am, and that excites me. When I am moving out, I am upping my weekly goal to $1000+ a week. And at this rate, (with my fanbase, better internet, more working freedom), I feel absolutely sure I'll be more than able to do that, and still be just as happy as I am now. <3
This work is worth every second I spend happy.
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Part of it is simply that mainstream media loves to sensationalize everything so what gets published is mostly very skewed toward the notion that sex industry must = big money, and civilians WANT to think we're all swimming in money because it's much more titillating to think of sex and lots of money together.
Part of it is that so many sex workers (those who want attention) run around in flashy clothes and live in fancy places, whether they can afford it or not, so it plays into the image of sex work = lots of money.
And ya, part of it is that people are making value judgments about what we do, and assume no one would want to do it unless lots of money is involved.
Part of it is ALSO that so many of us are drawn to it for the money and that's what we often talk about when explaining our choices to outsiders.
I personally wouldn't be doing it if the money weren't good. There are so many things I can do to earn a decent living, but I choose sex work because it pays better and allows me a lot more time and freedom than "real" jobs. And honestly, after so many years in the biz, I just like it and simply don't care to do anything else. I *am* doing other things also, but that's mainly because I need to have more than one thing going to avoid boredom; I have an extremely strong need for variety. Also at almost 40, I'm more in the asset-building mode so I can secure my future without being too reliant on sex work. But in all seriousness, I am quite sure I'll be making money off the weaknesses of men for a long time to come. I love it, even more now than I did when I was younger. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
All that said, if the money in sex work suddenly dried up, I'd hightail it on to something else and not look back. Ultimately I'm after the money.
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Honestly, I'm only in this for the money. Yes, there are great perks, like making my own schedule and getting paid to masturbate, but if the money wasn't there I wouldn't cam. There are other careers I could be doing right now and I know camming isn't my only option. For it to be worth it to me, I need to earn enough to live VERY comfortably. I also need to be earning more than I could working a vanilla job in my field (which is counseling, so the earning potential is low).
I do enjoy camming, but for me the positives need to outweigh the negatives. But I get that each woman is different and we all have our own drives and goals.
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I wrote a load of stuff to answer this thread but removed it since it was LONG! So in short porn doesn't pay like it use too. Some pornstars do porn to get their name out there to charge a higher rate to escort.
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Forgive me if I'm off my rail here folks...
Whether than "worth" I tend to look at it this way. Why is there a value associated with being a de$irable female? People tend to demand more for taboo. That's really the jist of it. When there's a high demand for something, and something so sacred as sex, people tend to milk it. And by milk I mean exploitation. In this world, we need money to really get the things we want and need. Barter, trade, we need to have something of value in order to take care of our needs and wants. Pussy has been sold for centuries. In order for us to really understand "worth" I think we have to go back to where it all started. And I believe it started with a PIMP. Someone, somewhere needed to eat. They probably snatched up a young gal (perhaps their daughter), and whored her out.
We have a lot of technology, but it's really just a recycled concept. For example:(and this is what I've heard/imagined) When the telephone was invented, as soon as they got rid of the "operators" and people were assigned numbers through the telephone company "phone madams" would put ads out in gentleman's mags and advertise for their services. Men would send by mail, telegram, or even "drop off" money and receive a call along with naughty pictures of the girl they wanted to speak to. It wasn't cheap because it was so convenient. Men would also do "drop off" at some brothels. See that same little concept? Sex is selling, but there's also that "pimp" mentality. Yes, there's a sense of security there but most women are still not getting ALL of their money. Or, in some people's case "worth".
The same can be said for video porn. Opportunity and demand. Someone realized that they could profit as well as keep up with the demand. Guy figures, men don't have to leave their home, no one catches anything, wives won't have to get involved, prostitution is now illegal in most states, blah, blah, blah. All of a sudden "stars" are born, money is made, masturbation is taken to a different level. The middle man is getting paid off of someone's pussy. Of course, those involved are normally shunned cause again, this is still very taboo. Fast forward to the internet. Same concept. Someone banked off of us AGAIN. Now, you have amateur porn as well don't get me wrong. Couples, singles, cam girls/guys, etc. But low and behold, not many amateurs have that "back up" like the big companies. They can't always afford exposure. So a lot of people who could be making amazeball money on their own find themselves subjecting to the big box sites again. Selling their work, or the big sites steal the amateur concept and find a ton of peeps who are willing to sell their work. Instead of standing on the corner to make ends meet, we have somewhat evolved. We have better technology. However, the original "point" has always remained. Sex and the idea of sex is still being sold whether it's on a street corner, in a brothel, escorting, in a strip club, in a video, or at home on a computer.
Now we have more freedom. We can choose to escort on our own, or do private party dances, make our own sites instead joining the big box sites and subjecting to their measly payouts. It's tough, gotta gain traffic and regulars but it's possible to bank without the help of a "pimp". Sex mainly has always sold WELL. Men needed and wanted it. Whether they were traveling business men, bored with their sex lives at home, or whatever. "We" or the pimps figured, hey, if he wants this, he's gonna have to pay BIG for it. In the early porn industry I'm pretty sure a lot of women decided, look, I'm going to be exposing myself for not only one man, but a full on audience. I want to be compensated for my time. IF she had a choice, she had to take into consideration her time, her health, per video/sale distribution and her future. If she didn't have a choice, like most, she'd just have to live with the consequences and wanted to be compensated well.
She probably thought, I come from a small town no one will know it's me, and if they do I'll be long gone from here and won't give a shit. Maybe she figured it would make her into an actual movie star. That when she got married and had kids, she'd just hide it from them the best she could. But hey, at least she was given $800 for that scene right? But where does "worth" come in at? Well folks, worth is very, very subjective.
Let's get down to the nitty gritty. What is worth to YOU as a sex worker? If it's money, well, that depends right. What are you comfortable with having earned for escorting, masturbating online, stripping, etc and are YOU okay with that? Who says what worth is? A lot of outsiders will point out that what we do isn't "worth" the money we get. To some a billion dollars is still not "worth" taking their clothes off let alone for $1k+ a week. Where's the value in money? You can't take it with you when you die. So if that's true, and it is, is anything we do worth the money we get for it? Why is it okay to get $1k a week for showing your cunnie off on cam, and not okay to show it off for $200 a week on cam? You still showed it off. Money is a tool and only a tool. I'm sorry but if I didn't like what I was doing, $1k wouldn't make me feel any better. I still don't like it! It's not worth shit. Rent is paid off, whoo hoo I get to be a human being living under a roof. Food in my fridge, whoohoo I get to live another day to eat. Bills are paid, Yippeeee! I just dildoed my poon so I can "rent" my electricity again this week. Are you living to work, or are you working to live?
Worth in terms of shunning. There has always been a stigma within our industry. Prostitutes got the same looks and discrimination years ago, why should we expect differently? We are ALL going to die eventually. If working in the sex industry makes you happy, then just do it. If it doesn't QUIT! No one should be subjected to put themselves through hell just so they can survive. You get one life and one only. Seize the opportunity! For those who will only do it for "double money" do you think it really matters to outsiders how much you were compensated for it?
ManyRoses- I choose to do it because I just want to. I have a very strong attraction to the sex industry. I was molested from the age of 3-13 (no pity please) and for years I acted out on myself. My parents also divorced when I was very young so I was missing out on a positive male figure except when I visited my grandparents. I hated myself. I hated sex, I vowed I'd wait until I was married. I was brought up in the church and even that couldn't "heal" me. Eventually I got tired of suppressing it. I started to love myself but I subconsciously started to use men. I dated men who were so attracted to me that they would give me their left nut for just a bat of my eyelashes. I would un-apologetically play the damsel in distress (even to male family members) in order to get what I wanted. I found myself finding pleasure by just milking them dry financially. I flirted with sex long before I even lost my virginity which was at 22 going on 23 lol. I suppose I feel men in general owe me for robbing me of my innocence. I'm not cunty about it, I don't demand anything, but in a way it's a game to me. I log in when I want, and use my assets to take from them. My worth isn't measured by money at all.So there you have it. It's not worth money to me, but my sexuality is definitely something I'll be using to my advantage for the rest of my life. The money is just a perk.
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Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
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Fridays
But I think ultimately everyone should try to make "loads" of money from camming during the time that they work, whatever hours a day or week..
Why? Because it is possible.
Who does not like money? lol
who does not want enough to buy whatever they want for themselves and their dear ones?
Im sure everyone under the sun dreamed what would they do with the money if they won the lotery..
We all dream of ' loads of money' ..
There was a thread here, called " what means to bank for you"... the amounts differed alot.
I think that this is a really important idea...but one that I kind of disagree with.
Yes, I would like laods of money for NOTHING - as in, winning the lottery.
But in this job, loads of money often means loads of work.
I've been very poor, and I know many people who are VERY rich. And the rich aren't any happier. Having loads of money DOESN'T make you happier.
Just because it is possible to make a shit-ton, doesn't always mean you should.
I have no doubt that if I cammed during the day and worked at the club at night, I would double my earnings. I would be able to buy more. I would be able to go out for more expensive dinners with my family and friends. I would be able to buy more things for them.
But I wouldn't have TIME. I wouldn't have health, working myself so hard. I would have to give up something that I currently do in the evening/daytime, like my studies, my volunteer work, my dancing (as is, hip hop, not stripping), my yoga.
So if you are saying that you should make as much money as you can, within your comfort zone, within the hours that you choose to work that make you happy, then yes. I agree, 100%! Raising rates, splitcamming, recording cam shows to sell as clips, converting to skype shows, promoting tributes, wishlists, panty sales - fuck yeah! Do everything possible to maximize your earnings per hour, and work as few or many hours as you like.
But that doesn't always lead to "loads" of money. You could work just enough to cover your bills and savings, and still stick to a tight budget, and not have "loads of money to spare....but be choosing to have far more free time.
I guess what I am saying is that money is not the be-all and end-all of life. In fact, money really isn't that great, or that valuable - beyond poverty-level existence, of course. For me, time is worth more than money. Freedom is worth more than money. Self determination is worth more than all the ferraris in the world. And that even goes for winning the lottery - I still wouldn't be buying the big car and designer labels - who cares about that stuff?
So maybe this is a better way to word it - that porn is only worth it for A BIG PAYOFF - NO MATTER WHAT CURRENCY THAT PAYOFF COMES IN. So your payoff may be in free time, in being able to work while disabled or ill, in being able to maintain autonomy and work your way through mental illness, in being able to pursue you dreams, OR in actual cold hard cash....
Although just to screw with my own head further, I would still prefer to cam 40hours a week for 30K, than do admin 40hours a week for 30K....
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I would still expect to turn more because I think do what I do very well, and should be paid accordingly. I would not stay in any job where I didn't feel I was paid well for my work.
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ManyRoses
That makes a lot of sense...so hypothetically, if porn/camming/whatever became mainstream, or accepted, and it would NOT limit your ability to work in another industry....would you still expect to earn more? Would you accept earning slightly less?
The hamster has started turning the wheel...
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Worth it to me is having enough to pay my bills, put food on my table, and knowing that I won't miss a single moment of my daughter growing up. Hell, I'd still take min wage (11/hr here) doing our job if it meant spending as much time with my baby girl as I do now.
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I can only work 3-5 hours on weekdays...I can't work 8 hours.
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I would not be doing this if not for the money. My expenses are high so I HAVE to make a certain amount or I will be fucked up. Anytime I miss 1 to 3 days or even hours, I will most likely miss out on paying something. My bare weekly minimum is reasonable and attainable, but does not cover extras like entertainment, savings, and taxes. In order to have extra I have to make above my weekly/monthly bare minimum. I mainly do it for money, but I also do it because I like being my own boss. Next week I can go hang out with my kids and my boyfriend at the mall, shop, eat out and see a movie. With my last vanilla job I would likely not be able to do that. My goal this year is to build a nice savings and start investing. Without enough money, I can not reach those goals.
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Every model is different, and I'm sure there are plenty of models who don't need tons of money in order for it to be worth it. It's really great to have a job where there is no limit to your earnings , and you don't have to get "permission" from a boss to do this or that. With this job, you have the freedom of:
not having to wake up early in the morning
being able to take a day off or leave early
wearing what you want (no silly dress code) and being able to show off your tattoos and piercings
not having to travel by car or bus to a job
not having to pay for daycare
no mandatory staff meetings or mandatory "volunteer work" (I'm dead serious...lol)
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To me it's less about making lots of money, and more about making lots of money when compared to what I do for that money. I worked 9-5 in an office once, doing loads of overtime that I didn't get paid for, had to get up early on a morning, stressed out to hell, had to be there on time , had bosses who dictated what I did, etc etc.
For me, I would not go back to that job even if they quadrupled my pay (I used to get about £1,400 per month). I prefer the freedom of camming, being able to sleep in if I want, I'm ill at the moment (nothing majorjust a bad cold) and when I am okay to work again on cam-I won't have a massive intray full of backlogs that I have to sort out-I can just pick up where I left off. If I want to work for 12 hours and make more money, I can. If I feel like only doing couple hours, I can.Sure some weeks,I may even make less than my old job. Most of the time with dancing and camming, I make much more. But without having all the constraints I used to have. That's what makes me feel rich, I can make money very easily now, no rush hour traffic, no busting my ass , no shitty people telling me what to do.
Always quite good money, sometimes really great money.
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I don't consider camming porn. When I think of porn I think of 'Debbie Does Dallas'
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I worked a 40hr/wk job making close to 30k a year for 5 years. I was sick almost every month ($20/copay and $10/antibiotics 12x a year = $360 alone not even considering lost wages), constantly stressed, spent way to much money going out to lunch and buying new work clothes, and took all my anger and stress out on my relationship. I also suffer from sever depression which makes it hard for me to get out of bed which ultimately cost me my job.
This job allows me to work when I feel my best, stay home in my PJs most the day which means less money on clothes, pack my husbands lunch, be here to make dinner, gives me time to focus on myself and getting well, along with a zillion other things. The best part is there is almost zero stress. Now we can argue about real relationship problems rather then small BS just because I'm cranky. Not to mention being on cam gives me a confidence boost and a better self-image.
Some people wouldn't say the amount of money I make isn't "worth" being naked on cam, but I weigh and factor in other items such as health and well-being on top of money. I also don't put camming and porn in the same category. When I think of porn I think having sex with someone random for a one time payment. When I cam I am only having sex with myself, I can record it, and resell it later for further profit.
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This is a trick question.
Edited to add: Sorry late-night brain, hit the button too soon. What I mean is that it all depends on the person's perception/personal experience of 'loads of money' and 'worth it'.
Any answer I give you could only be my flawed personal opinion. ;)