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So Paypal just froze my account for SAYING I'm a cam model.
I wrote an essay on my website about racism against Asian Americans in porn and in the opening paragraph I mention that I am part of the industry because I'm a cam model. Its received thousands of hits and has been linked to and re-blogged on a few reputable non adult sites. Well Paypal has demanded that I take down my donation button from my essay site. Even though there is no sales pitch language or mention of Cam shows on my site. Basically they told me that paypal decided that I could POTENTIALLY use paypal to sell cam shows on virtue that I am a cam model. I sent them email with proof that I only cam on streammate and independently through zambio. Sites that are not linked directly to my essay blog.
They also claimed that my multiple transactions where suspicious, I used the account to take donations to keep my site up and fund travel for public speaking and seminars . The "suspicious" transactions were to GRUBHUB. That's right I ordered some slutty adult XXX sushi to be delivered to my vanilla job.
So if you use paypal, don't even MENTION that you are a cam model. They will freeze you account and you won't have access to your funds for 180 days.
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Hopefully you didn't use it as a type of saving/checking account and your money is somewhere else. Paypal sucks. I had my account frozen 2-3 years ago and I still can't use Paypal. It rules a lot of things. I can't buy things because of it. Jerks.
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Originally Posted by
BlasianBytch
I wrote an essay on my website about racism against Asian Americans in porn and in the opening paragraph I mention that I am part of the industry because I'm a cam model. Its received thousands of hits and has been linked to and re-blogged on a few reputable non adult sites. Well Paypal has demanded that I take down my donation button from my essay site. Even though there is no sales pitch language or mention of Cam shows on my site. Basically they told me that paypal decided that I could POTENTIALLY use paypal to sell cam shows on virtue that I am a cam model. I sent them email with proof that I only cam on streammate and independently through zambio. Sites that are not linked directly to my essay blog.
They also claimed that my multiple transactions where suspicious, I used the account to take donations to keep my site up and fund travel for public speaking and seminars . The "suspicious" transaction where to GRUBHUB. That's right I ordered some slutty adult XXX sushi to be delivered to my vanilla job.
So if you use paypal, don't even MENTION that you are a cam model. They will freeze you account and you won't have access
to your funds for 180 days.
Paypal is not Adult Work friendly,and this proves it more so than ever.
Paypal is shitty too everyone that is not conformed to what they think is proper.
Have you ever heard of Regretsy?Its a blog that pokes fun at crappy crafts on esty,well Regretsy is HUGE into charity..Can you believe that PayPal tried to confiscate Thousands over some bullshit reason and if it were not for Gawker/Jezebel they most likely would of kept it.
I loath PayPal,and avoid them at all cost if possible.I am sorry this happened too you :(
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Looking back I'm shocked I let this independent company have so much control over my money. I can still take donations via Chip In it will just have to be sent as a lump sum check. So the way I fund raise will have to be different. I feel a little bullied by this. It basically says that sex workers are only sex workers and have no ability to separate their work and personal lives or vanilla professional lives.
I've been a stripper and a cam model since 2006 but this is the first time I've felt like a second class human being.
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Originally Posted by
BlasianBytch
Looking back I'm shocked I let this independent company have so much control over my money. I can still take donations via Chip In it will just have to be sent as a lump sum check. So the way I fund raise will have to be different. I feel a little bullied by this. It basically says that sex workers are only sex workers and have no ability to separate their work and personal lives or vanilla professional lives.
I've been a stripper and a cam model since 2006 but this is the first time I've felt like a second class human being.
PP is full of shit,please do not let them make you feel any type of way.
They tried too confiscate 20 Grand for poor kids for Christmas,PP is NOT the Moral Compass of merchant services regardless of what they think.
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Do you have payoneer? Fees kind of suck (something like $7 for every hundred deposited)
And it takes two days to deposit onto card after someone or some company sends you money but I never have any worry about my funds being frozen.
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I can still take donations via Chip In it will just have to be sent as a lump sum check.
I'm not all that familiar with ChipIn, but since it's associated with PayPal, I'd avoid it. I've heard MFC models say that their ChipIns have been shut down (after lots of money had been donated) by PayPal, and I've also heard models say that PayPal shut them down even when they WEREN'T using PP for adult transactions.
A while back I believe there was a model on this forum who said she had gotten a phone call from PayPal once, and they asked her to explain the nature of certain transactions on her account. I think her transactions had been for selling panties or cam shows or something, but she had to make up something different to tell them over the phone. What a nightmare!
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TheBrownFox
I'm not all that familiar with ChipIn, but since it's associated with PayPal, I'd avoid it. I've heard MFC models say that their ChipIns have been shut down (after lots of money had been donated) by PayPal, and I've also heard models say that PayPal shut them down even when they WEREN'T using PP for adult transactions.
A while back I believe there was a model on this forum who said she had gotten a phone call from PayPal once, and they asked her to explain the nature of certain transactions on her account. I think her transactions had been for selling panties or cam shows or something, but she had to make up something different to tell them over the phone. What a nightmare!
I'm the latter, I've never used paypal for anything adult related. I've turned down a lot of shows where people wanted to pay with paypal JUST to not be frozen and it happened anyway.
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I have a question about PayPal too. I don't even use that debit card anymore, but does anyone else ever get PayPal statements about unauthorized purchases on their account? I'm not talking about those fake spammy e-mails...I'm talking about the REAL PP e-mails where they actually address you by name and everything (you can tell when it's a genuine PP e-mail, and when it's a fake one). This has happened to me at least twice with this PP card. Both times they were tiny amounts less than $5.
It sucks that PP does cam models like that though, because I believe PP is the #1 way that people pay for their eBay purchases. I'm glad I don't use eBay anymore though. I'm a big fan of Amazon now. :)
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Yep. Paypal can suck a fat one. They shut down my account because I spoke to a sales rep on the phone and asked him if I could use Paypal to sell some items on my site. I told him what I sell and what my pay site is. He looked at it and said, "We don't allow you to sell porn or sex shows, but artistic nudes are fine. This looks fine to me." He sent in a ticket request to get my account approved. I didn't have any kind of Paypal on my site, I wasn't taking payments with it at all, just buying and selling clothes and shoes on ebay. In a few hours I got a message saying they'd locked my account and were keeping my money because I was using Paypal to sell things on my pay site. I wrote them back and called them every day for the next two weeks to ask for review and prove to them that I wasn't *accepting* payments, just *asking* if I could. Every time they "reviewed the case" and maintained their previous decision.
Since I linked my bank account and credit card with my Paypal account, I can't use either of those to pay for anything that takes Paypal. I had to get a new credit card to link with a new Paypal account just so that I could pay for stuff on Ebay and other sites that take nothing but Paypal.
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So sorry this happened to you Blasian. I'm sure you'll be able to find another option for people to donate. I use PayPal for my vanilla biz and I'm so freaking scared of having the two overlap somehow I am so paranoid about that and I hate that this company has so much control! Ugh it sucks when a company monopolizes a service that is so essential and then tries to interfere with their morals!
+1 on accepting Payoneer
Also, maybe you could accept gift cards to places that you'll need when you do your travels like for airlines and hotels and things like that
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FWIW, Amazon gift cards are the easiest in my experience, but it sucks having several hundred dollars in amazon GCs and then having to scramble cash for a bill.
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I hate paypal. They fuck people over left and right and I seriously cannot understand why they're still getting away with it, or why so many people still want to use them.
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Prob. cause they're rich & powerful, & hence hold people up w/o a gun like a lot of 'legal gangstas'? Main method for pay on __y
Blaisan, sorry that happened.
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PayPal was started so HOOKERS could take deposits on appointments. Or so "johns" could use a credit card to pay for sex. Morally, they don't have a leg to stand on.
Sam
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My paypal account was shut down in 2005 because I was unaware of their adult restrictions and accepted "tips" via paypal on my website. However, I was able to get the balance paid to me via check. They aren't allowed to just keep all your money. It's not exactly EASY to get it out, but you can do it.
I've since been able to open another paypal business account that I use for ebay, vanilla work, and personal use.
I don't think they closed it because you said you are a cam model, I think it's because it's clear your blog is adult oriented. Even if you don't accept payments for shows or anything, they still don't want their stuff on ANY adult sites. Which yah, it's really stupid. They are missing out on a large market.
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^I think this was her vanilla blog, which only mentioned her being a cam model in one post. Not on her adult site.
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Sam38g
PayPal was started so HOOKERS could take deposits on appointments. Or so "johns" could use a credit card to pay for sex. Morally, they don't have a leg to stand on.
Sam
::) it figures. Its fine to make money off us as a starting point then try to stomp us out when you go mainstream. I've never heard of this but it makes sense. I've heard of escorts that take payments with the paypal card swiper and on Square.
I've actually been on contact with square about possibly taking payments for pictures taken at Exxxotica and they were very responsive and polite.
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This very thing happened to me in 2009. Initially they said it would take 180 to get my money back but after 30 days I wrote them with a really thick sob story. Two days later the money was transferred to my account. But that paypal account is still locked. If you want a donation setup look into smartypig you can accept donations through them on your vanilla blog. They dont use button with coding but instead a customized page hosted on there server. You could link to it from your blog. Its really easy. Goodluck to you.
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Company fucks with your account on the basis that they are suspicious of you because of your job title...
Almost sounds like discrimination to me.
On a side-note: How much bigger would PayPal be if they actually accepted the transactions of adult workers? I know we lose out massively, but their loss is probably even bigger. Idiots.
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I think Paypal has an economical reason for not accepting adult transactions, maybe paying higher fees or shit. it is the only reason that can explain how strict they are and the amount of $$ they are giving up by forbidding adult transactions
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Paypal got strict when it was bought out by ebay. Ebay was unrestricted in its early days as well. Venmo is another peer to peer payment service that was unrestricted until it was bought out by another company. This is a pretty common business practice - allow anyone to use the service in the beginning to gain market share and look great for potential buyers, then when the bigger company buys them out or they go public, the rules get tightened.
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yes but there must be an economical reason why these rules are tightened unbenefitting adult transactions. i believe on mfi and mgf they are called "high risk transactions" because they are Adult stuff...
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^Obviously. It does also have to do with the moral minority who scream loudly and keep the credit card companies in check. Visa is quick to shut a processor down who doesn't follow their rules, and that is because Visa sucks the ass of the moral minority.