He will still pay me. What should I use? I tried setting up a Payoneer account but for whatever reason, they can't offer it in the US because of regulations. Don't want to use Paypal. Please help!!!!
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He will still pay me. What should I use? I tried setting up a Payoneer account but for whatever reason, they can't offer it in the US because of regulations. Don't want to use Paypal. Please help!!!!
Set up your Payoneer account THROUGH sm. then you'll have it.
Be careful with taking members off SM, if they catch u doing it u'll be in trouble. If u already managed to get in contact with ur member outside SM be careful too cause if u accept his payments it takes 2 days for the money to get in ur payoneer account, so u might do shows for him and get scammed then.
Be cautious with who u trust. I also have a regular i wish i could take off SM but i dont dare to open up the subject on my own and risk my work.
By the way, u cant open up a payoneer account directly, u need to do it through a site using their service, i had a very complicated situation myself with payoneer some time ago but wont go into details now.
Good luck
If you happened to be a model on MyFreeCams too, and the guy happened to have access to your Twitter name, I'd suggest that you and him have a Twitter conversation about arranging a Skype show, and you have him pay you in MFC tokens (on MFC you can even be tipped offline when you're not on cam).
Some models will accept Amazon e-gift cards for Skype shows, but a lot of models (myself included) would rather get regular money than a gift card.
If he really wants you all to himself, he can just take you exclusive on SM. If he buys a 15 minute block session, he'd be saving himself a little bit of money too.
Payoneer can't offer their service to you because you are in the U.S.? I'm sorry but that isn't right. Sign up to Payoneer through a site like SM, MGF, etc. and you'll get a card and can accept private loads. You can also have him pay you with Amazon gift cards if you don't need the actual cash. Or you can use GiftRocket. Or sign up for an indy directory and use their payment processeor so you'll keep a high percentage. Or you can do a search because this topic of conversation comes up a lot.
I never ever take a guy offsite any more.
I only take Skype customers I find on my own and here is why: What usually happens first is they want you to do the show dirt cheap because they figure the site isn't getting a cut. Cheap asses are usually unpleasant to do shows for I find also.
When they find out they can talk you down in price, they try to go even lower or stretch out the time to get more.
Often they realize you've broken the site's rules and will try to blackmail you by threatening to turn you in if you don't give them freebies.
Also I find setting up shows and waiting for payment ends up wasting my time when I could be camming.
Im so scared of the "Blackmail" thing. I've never taken a guy off site to do skype shows because i'm afraid of that and i really don't
trust anyone no matter how good a paying customer he is.
But what if i have a twitter and im currently working on 2 known sites but i also have just opened up my own independent site where i get
paid 100% can i post things on my twitter about my own site? I'm just worried this is against the rules or something even if it's just on my twitter.
Thanks so much ill also look for info on this in other threads.
If it was me, I'd get him to tip me on SM, make sure that you ask for an amount that will give you what you want in your account after deductions. Be careful how you arrange this, SM can suspend your account if they find you have taken a guy of site. Having said that I really don't understand SM's mentality on this one, I mean they still get a cut if he pays with gold and the way SM's encoder is behaving atm, I wouldn't blame guys for wanting Skype. Of course the other thing is that if he tried to claim back from SM (SCAM), I don't think he would have a leg to stand on, I don't think SM refund tips, but I'm sure if I'm wrong on that one someone will say further on.
They don't allow it because you can't prove you did the show with the customer if you are doing it off their site. You could take the money and not provide the show. I wouldn't risk doing it bacause I know a couple performers who's account was shut down for this reason. They did shows via Skype and took payments via PP. Not sure how Streamate found out but they did and closed their accounts.
She wants to get all the money and dont share it with SM and i think her regular member suggested this cause he is cheap and wanna pay less knowing she gets the full money, these guys are not to be trusted, thats why i dont do it myself with the regular i mentioned (he did not suggest this clearly but said something like "i hate this pay per view" and i did not comment on it but changed subject); i could not be stress free if some guy had that power over me to threaten or blackmail me, these guys are not stupid and they try to scam especially new models.
Plus, if you accept offsite pay the money u get will not count on original site, i mean making money on original site is helping to gain better ranking/ placement, exposure, the hrs u put in are also a factor to determine ur placement on a site like SM, having regulars that spend good money on you is helping u gain popularity there, if u take a good spender off site u loose business on site and later on u'll loose that exact guy too cause he is cheap anyway cause he wants a bargain so this is not going to last.
thats my point of view, hope it makes sense, xx
Having re read the op's original post she didn't mention keeping all the money, just asked for other options and not Paypal, of course I agree, never ever use Paypal.
With regards to SM not allowing Skype, I do understand their reasons as it stands at the moment, however measures can be implemented similar to those used by AW. Basically if a client disputes a show it's up to him to contact AW, they will then hold the money back, notify the girl and wait until the two come to an agreement and both advise AW of this, only then does either the girl receive the money or the client receives a refund. In the 5 years I have cammed there, this had only happened to me once. I think the system is fair and deliberately complicated to put scammers off. I'm not sure if MFC have anything in place but I know a lot of girls, myself included, sell Skype shows for tokens. I actually prefer Skype to pay per min, it's guaranteed money if done correctly.
I dont see a reason other than money to want to take a customer off site especially from SM, i always tell the guys asking to meet offsite "u found me here u pay me here", no further comments, i wont risk my work for a dude trying to get me break the rules plus u never know who is asking u the question, could be site staff testing models.
it's the company politics to want to keep their members on site as they paid lots of money to buy traffic. SM is not AW or MFC, their run different business same like Ifriends, Imlive and more other sites where taking members away them will get u banned for life, this happened alot in the past and will always be like that. i cam for 12 years now and been on all major sites around.
Move him to NiteFlirt. You'll get 70% of whatever he spends and you can use Skype. Easy-peasy.
Main problem will be he will DEMAND you get off of SM to skype with him all the time. He will announce it all over SM everytime you see him in the room.
Not worth it.
He will be blowing up your skype all the time "just to talk".
Why go off site? Why bother?
Is he really jump through hoops just to set up skype sessions with you in advance? No, when he is horny & sees you on SM he will want to chat on skype without paying. He will come into your SM room and make demands & throw fits.
Totally not worth whatever extra money you make by SM not getting a cut.
Smooches
Sam
Sorry but I don't think SM will ever offer this option. Sites like AW can offer this because camming isn't their bottom line. SM re-sells our shows and has huge promotion going on with tube sites. They don't want us to ever have direct contact with the customers outside of their site-they want to keep their piece of the pie. Having a skype ID would mean you and I would have access to the customer outside the site.
Why even do that though? You are stlil giving him the ammunition to blackmail you and taking the risk of losing your Streamate account and being banned for life. Unless you don't plan to work on Streamate again, to me no one viewer is ever worth that risk.
I've never known a guy to ask for offsite shows unless he is wanting a discount too so there goes the extra percent.
Be careful taking members to twitter, if a girl sees it, maybe someone who's jealous of you, she can screen shot it and send it into sm and they will suspend you.
Payoneer dosnt offer services to members, to run a company... To be a "partner"
She signed up threw the wrong thing, she signed up threw the services section, as if she needed to pay someone.
Dont use paypal, if they find out your using it for adult services (even if its a small chance they do find out)
they will freeze your account with everything in it.
If you MUST get paid offline, wither amazon giftcards, or have them send a moneygram to a to a town thats pretty distant away, not allot of them
do this because they have to leave the house, but if you can get them to make a account, they can send it from home. (not allot of girls do this
because even a town 3 citys away is too close)
Walmart money cards also let people pay you threw credit card.
i personally use this method because it dosnt take very long to be approved.
(A few hours AT MOST).
I don't have an ethical/principled problem with sniping custies off of big-boxed sites. The OP asked what's a sensible way to do it and I gave a sensible response. I'm not nearly as confined to SM as some camgirls so the consquences aren't dire to me. They didn't seem dire to her, which is why I responded. As far as making more or less money, a guy will pay whatever you insist on charging. So, if you're charging $3.99, he's still going to pay that on NF, over SM or wherever you take him. Why would you charge him less for him to feel better about dodging the site's cost? Just stay at $3.99 and make the 70% (2.66/min) that you're going to, rather than whatever 35% is ($1.40(ish)/min?). I mean, it's pretty simple math. anyone who lets the customer dictate how much he's going to spend based on where he logs in is pretty much just playing herself. You're the one that sets your prices, wherever you go.
Like I said, I'm not married to SM so I dont' care what SM thinks about where I cam. I'll use that site when I feel like it (and I do) and quit whenever I want and take custies wherever I want. It's my business to run.
If you don't want to risk losing your spot at SM I wouldn't do it. However, if you don't care like others mentioned, make sure you are still offering the SAME amount as you are on SM and let it be known that he is to only contact you on skype when he wants a show. I don't even let guys chat me up unless they plan on paying. I don't even let them add me until they buy a show on skype. Of course, all of my skype guys are from indy sites like NF, MPS, APP and the top sites and ads I pay for myself. Can't be blackmailed if you're the one paying for your own traffic.