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Getting him to spend ALL his money on YOU
Hey ladies, I'm sure most of us prefer to have a couple customers spend bank than dance for several different guys a night. I'm trying to find solutions to maximizing the spending potential of each customer. So you already have the guy in the back for a dance, how do you get him to stay there and spend his budget on only you and no other girl? And make him comfortable getting a string of dances instead of a couple at a time.
It seems like with a lot of clubs VIPs are a rip off for both the customer and the girl but often when I explain that, guys get lost in the math and would rather just get a VIP.
A couple things I have already tried that work well:
*Slow, sensual dances that get a little more exciting each song.
*Telling them at the begining, "Each dance is one song and $X, you just tell me when to stop." So I'm not bugging them every song.
What other tricks/ideas do you have?
I know some girls do things like shit talk their coworkers, pretend they're interested in meeting outside of work, or offer "extras" to do this but I'd like some better ideas. ::)
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Re: Getting him to spend ALL his money on YOU
having just a few guys spend all their money on me and having regulars is pretty much the main way i earn money..i know a lot of girls who get maybe 2 dances from every guy in the place but i prefer to not have to work so hard for just as much money :)
good tips! i wouldn't suggest shit-talking coworkers at all, it really turns guys off and makes you look like a jealous bitch. i don't even bring them up, i act like we ( me n the customer) are the only two people in the world. i find that you really need to build a rapport and "relationship" with them for them to be very taken by you and no other girl. you have to spend a lot more time on them so i don't usually do this on busy nights.
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How about, instead of giving in to the customer wanting a VIP that isn't worth it for either of you, you offer him an "unofficial" VIP - ie. sell him the same block of time for the same price and just do dances and spend time together on the floor instead? My club doesn't have VIPs, and I'm quite a fan of this since it gets me a nice chunk of cash right up front.
Otherwise, for just getting strings of dances, I like to make mine a GFE - nuzzling, eskimo kisses, hair curtains, back rubs, etc., etc. This doesn't work with all customers (some just want a good ole raunchy dance), but it's pretty easy to gauge within the first couple of minutes of the dance what they want based on how they act.
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K Sweet
*Telling them at the begining, "Each dance is one song and $X, you just tell me when to stop." So I'm not bugging them every song.
Be careful with doing that I read a post in here about a girl who got ripped off by a guy trusting hell pay at the end at the end he only gave her like a little less then half of what he should have given her
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Snowy0Star
Be careful with doing that I read a post in here about a girl who got ripped off by a guy trusting hell pay at the end at the end he only gave her like a little less then half of what he should have given her
This is a valid risk! Club culture will dictate whether or not it's necessary to settle up upfront, before every dance, after every couple of dances, or at the very end of a long string of them. I worked in one club where customer did try to rip girls off and management/security didn't do anything about it if you didn't bother collecting up front - this bred a culture of collecting up front and settling up either every song or every few songs. At my home club (and really in my area), payment upfront is rare, but it's uncommon for a customer to try and rip a girl off, and security and management will have your back if someone tries to. So, YMMV!
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Ypu could end up with the guys that can never seem to remember where the ATM is or don't have the money to pay for those dances. Better to find out beforehand.
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I usually don't settle up front unless the guy offers me a lot of money... a lot guys spend more than they anticipated (it's kind of our job to propel them to do this) so they'll go for VIP dances thinking they're only going to get four, then four turns into six, then eight, and so on. There are bouncers outside of the VIP booths who count the songs. Plus all of our bouncers are huge and intimidating to my white-collar businessman clientele. I only had one instance where a guy tried to get away with not giving me enough. We did 12 songs, he wasn't keeping track but I was, and I checked with the bouncer afterwards. The guy went to the ATM but I gave the bounce a heads up that I may need his help because I had a bad feeling about it... guy comes back and hands me $160. The fuck? Then he tries to say, "sorry babe, that's all I have." No worries. I told the bouncer, who came over and simply told the guy "you need to pay her the rest of the $300." So the guy ended up getting a cash advance for the rest of my money. I got paid in full, but it was a close call.
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How did he get a cash advance? Did the bouncer follow him around and go to a pay day loan place or something?
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Snowy0Star
How did he get a cash advance? Did the bouncer follow him around and go to a pay day loan place or something?
Lol no, he got a cash advance from the bar (at my club).
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How does that work? Does he give them his home address and legal name and stuff and have to go back to the club by a certain date to pay them back?
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No the customer just needs to provide his credit card and ID and agree to pay the 20 percent interest fee. Then they give him the cash for whatever amount and he signs a little receipt.
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Nina_
No the customer just needs to provide his credit card and ID and agree to pay the 20 percent interest fee. Then they give him the cash for whatever amount and he signs a little receipt.
O ok that sounds easy do a lot of SC do this or just the nicer ones?
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Every club I've worked at had them except one, which used funny-money for when customers paid on their credit cards. But here in Detroit there's no funny-money, everything is done on a cash basis so if a customer wants to use his card he has to get a cash advance from the bar or use the ATM. I tend to work at the top Detroit clubs, so some of the lower end ones probably do not have the cash advance option but I'm not entirely sure.
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Might be breaking the flow here, but just wanted to share a good tip, when I have a customer in the back, Ill often massage their temples, the back of their neck, sinuses, run my fingernails through their scalp (maybe gross to some) etc... practice on your boyfriend or even a friend!! Most guys LOVE it, and it makes them relaxed and at ease.
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I've had really good luck using the Square app on my phone for payments.
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Originally Posted by
britneyireland
I've had really good luck using the Square app on my phone for payments.
the club doesnt mind you doing that? thats genuis either way tho!
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Thinking about signing up for Square for my club, but read on Square's terms that they don't allow adult transactions. What do you say the transaction is for and what do you do in the event that there is a disput of charges?? Greatly appreciate the input!
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Customer relations, sales, promotional work.
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I have thought about getting the square app myself but then I thought about if the custy could somehow get your info from the transaction on his banking statement? Does anyone know how it would show up on his end as a transaction? I know the square only takes 2.75% out of the transaction so I assume if say a vip will cost 500$ you just run it for that and your getting an extra say 17.25% you wouldnt have seen otherwise. Smart idea! As long as your in a club you can get away with this at.
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Originally Posted by
shanna dior
How about, instead of giving in to the customer wanting a VIP that isn't worth it for either of you, you offer him an "unofficial" VIP - ie. sell him the same block of time for the same price and just do dances and spend time together on the floor instead? My club doesn't have VIPs, and I'm quite a fan of this since it gets me a nice chunk of cash right up front.
Did this the day you suggested it, was SUPER DUPER personable and sweet to this guy, told him I'd give him a deal, 5 VIP quality dances for $100 (same amount of time as 15 min VIP, but he saves $50 on a room) and now he comes in every week or every other week and gets 5/$100. Yay! Why didn't I try this earlier?
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Originally Posted by
vickytoria
Might be breaking the flow here, but just wanted to share a good tip, when I have a customer in the back, Ill often massage their temples, the back of their neck, sinuses, run my fingernails through their scalp (maybe gross to some) etc... practice on your boyfriend or even a friend!! Most guys LOVE it, and it makes them relaxed and at ease.
THIS!!!! This is exactly what I wanted! I give a lot of scalp massages, guys love it. When I find Mr. Sensual I can usually get him to stay back for extra songs just for a massage. But I need more shoulder massage work to get ALL guys to stay back longer.
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Also I should mention:
I have never been ripped off by a customer. Sure I've only danced two years but that's not bad for never. I am very clear before we start dancing; Each song is $20, after the first song when they're feeling settled in I say, "let me know when you need to stop". I'm not going to remind them every song and be redundant (or break their concentration), I will occasionally update them (we're at 5 songs now), but I don't constantly remind them that they're spending a lot of money. If I do get the feeling they are limited on cash, I will get them to prepay. I make my rules very clear and tip the staff generously so there has not and will not be any confusion. Just to clarify this has been working for me!
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I so want to try that.
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Originally Posted by
britneyireland
I've had really good luck using the Square app on my phone for payments.
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has anyone had any issues with chargebacks and the square app?
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luscious sadie
has anyone had any issues with chargebacks and the square app?
You read my mind, this is exactly what I was going to ask lol