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SM TV Shows - DO we get all the money?
Okay, let me preface this by saying: Yes, this is speculation. Nothing more than that. But I am very curious as to what other girls think about this.
- We are given the option to have a much larger audience (on an international TV scale) for our GOLD shows.
- We are guaranteed the financial goal set by the producer.
- Even if we don't reach the full goal, we get "TV compensation" to make up for the rest of the target price.
However. Whilst our broadcast is streaming, we still see only those tips from members of Streamate pop up. We are NOT notified of clients who have paid via their TV. We have no idea who has paid for our shows via the TV broadcasts. SM advise models to encourage TV viewers to sign up to the site by speaking to them and verbally encouraging them to do so. But we don't see them.. How are we to know how many people pay to watch our show from the TV?
And also, isn't it a little convenient that if we don't reach the target on the site... SM just pay for the rest of it themselves. Like, I am assuming that money, that "compensation" doesn't just magically come out of thin air or the pockets of the producers (otherwise, wouldn't it be a little like "betting" or "gambling" to see which model can make such-and-such target? lol. Because otherwise they are putting themselves in a situation where there is a potential loss for them that they would have to pay for).
I am assuming (yes, this is just an assumption) that that "compensation" is actually some of the money that was tipped to our show by the people watching us and tipping us from their TV. Like that is when we see the money tipped to us from the TV viewers: when we don't reach our target on the site! Otherwise... assuming that the rest of the money we make aside from that 35% is going to other means, (we make only 35% because the rest of our earnings goes on other things like marketing, etc), where do SM get the money from to "compensate" us?
If SM had to pay for the rest of the target themselves, wouldn't that model be a drain on the company being as they have actually cost the site money by having to give out compensation to her? I've been compensated a few times. I would have thought that would be enough that they might stop offering me TV shows fullstop being as they have had to do that. Why would they want to pay for me if I've missed a few targets and they keep having to pay me money I didn't make because I didn't reach the goal?
I'm not blowing up about SM, and my intention isn't to start some bs conspiracy. I am just genuinely curious and wanted to see what others think. I gotta say that this assumption of mine is almost enough to make me want to stop doing TV shows though... If I could actually track the TV viewers tips, I'd be happy. Even if their screen name (because obviously they won't have screen names if tipping via TV / credit card / whatever) were all just displayed on my earnings as "TV Viewer"...
But... we have absolutely NO means of tracking how many people have tipped us through their TV. The ONLY tips we are alerted to, that count in our earnings are those coming from SM members who have screen names... And the magical "TV Compensation" money (which we didn't make because there weren't enough tippers...) that comes from (if we didn't meet that target)... where? O_O
But yeah, anyone who knows more than me feel free to correct me.
[EDIT] - Aghh.. It kind of seems so glaringly obvious to me now. Oh god.. We can't get all that money. If we did, why can't we track who has tipped us? They're ALL members of SM as they ALL have usernames. Unless usernames are required for TV viewers to tip us? But then... wouldn't that mean they were signed up to SM in the first place, so why would SM be encouraging us to encourage them to sign up if they already are? Aghh.. Yeah I'm going to stop offering TV shows until I am sure I am getting 100% of the 35% (lol) that I make for EVERY person who has tipped for my show. SM can't get 100% of the credit for a performance that wouldn't even exist if not for the actual performers.
But yeah, as ever - correct my ass if I'm still wrong, lol.
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Eee, am I? lol. I was actually mega worried about posting this thread because of the conspiracy thing.. It could seem that way or like I'm trying to start some silly uproar against SM or something or maybe even this has been answered before. I don't know. I don't think it has. I'm truly sorry if it has. I just wish there was a way for us to be able to track.. like.. each and every tip we actually get. And if TV viewers are tipping us... we ain't getting those come up in our earnings are we? :S So... where are all of those?
*still worried about pissing people off with this* - As ever, if I'm so wrong about this that it's just shocking, don't worry about telling me. I kinda really want to be corrected / put right about this one because I don't want to believe I'm not getting money I made!
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Doesn't come across as blasting SM at all. It's actually very intellectual. I'm curious to see other responses. I wish I could be as articulate as you.
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Originally Posted by
Marina Starr
Doesn't come across as blasting SM at all. It's actually very intellectual. I'm curious to see other responses. I wish I could be as articulate as you.
Wow.. thank you, so much.. <3
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I lost a long-time regular cause of the TVs. Now he comes to my room just to tell me how much he enjoyed waatching me on TV that day and how good it is that my shows are broadcasted. FUUUUU.
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Originally Posted by
Sunnylexie
I lost a long-time regular cause of the TVs. Now he comes to my room just to tell me how much he enjoyed waatching me on TV that day and how good it is that my shows are broadcasted. FUUUUU.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa. Wow. What? The fuck?
Okay I don't regret making this thread now.. I just reviewed the info in my SM profile about the TV broadcasts and yeah: way too much information is missing / omitted here. Like ridiculous amounts.
I'm not gonna blow up about it because it was still my choice to accept them in the first place. - It's still a matter of personal responsibility and I accept that. But no more TV shows for me at this point. Like - no way. You couldn't pay me to accept another TV show... except wait, oh yeah you could, ha! ~ THE MONEY FOR MY PERFORMANCE from the viewers! Lol. That's the whole problem... I actually assumed way, way too much... and I think many other models may have done, too.
Nowhere does it say that you will receive the monies tipped by TV viewers to watch your show.
Come to that... Fuckin' scrap my OP! ~ Nowhere does it say that TV viewers even have to pay to view your show at all.
Like what was I thinking? That the TV broadcasting that streams during our pre-show countdown in free chat runs for all viewers, and that the whole broadcast is simply just stopped for non-paying viewers? Or maybe broadcasting rolls over to another non-paid model in her pre-show countdown whilst I am in paid chat? How does this work exactly? It isn't detailed.
From what I am now reading of TV Broadcasts, (trying to keep my mind 100% clear of any assumptions about it), essentially we are simply broadcasting our entire shows - for free - internationally on the TV, for all the freeloaders to jerk off to without paying a single penny.
I don't get this though.. How is this helping SM? If a guy can watch a girl on SM (the site), and then if his broke ass can't afford it, simply switch his TV on and watch the whole thing for free? Ah... (thinking aloud here - my apologies; it's 9am and I've been up the entire night). Well SM use our material anyway to use as they wish: the contents of our shows are used by them for marketing and bringing in new traffic. So perhaps SM see this TV broadcasts thing as the very same thing: broadcasting models streams live to advertise to a global audience? What do you think?
If my assumption there is correct, then surely the guys who are brought onto the site via the TV broadcasts will just wait for the next time the model broadcasts a TV show, then promptly fuck off SM, switch on the TV, sit back and enjoy a free show... I guess we don't all broadcast JUST TV shows which could prompt those converted TV-SM customers to purchase private shows or regular, non-TV GOLD shows... Hmmmm...
So where do SM get the money for compensating models who don't reach their goals if we aren't getting tips from guys watching TV?
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I am guessing guys buy subscriptions to view those channels or something? Perhaps SM have a deal with the channel and get money from them that way..? I wonder.
Apologies! - If there are any performers reading like this "DUH INCANTATIOUS!" Haha...
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Remember how SM marketed the appeal of TV Broadcasts to us?
Like so kind of... - "Step right up honey - YOU CAN BE A TV STAR!"
*gags*
...Like really?
Now we have experience with what that actually entails...
With the pieces of shit targets some of those producers set us, there are likely TV extras that get paid more, for simply walking around the street for a bit, whose entire job it is to blend in and act like any old boring run-of-the-mill motherfucker, than we do for dildo-ing our pussies, shoving things up our asses, catering and interacting directly with a diverse audience of men wanting different things from us, and putting on quality, explicit sexual entertainment.
...Oh but yeah I'm totally a glamorous TV star.
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I think you are completely correct. It is part of the reason I have refused to TV GS even though I do regular GS.
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You are totally right. The TV viewers have to subscribe to a particular network (it's an additional charge for the subscription). But, we don't get any $$ from TV viewers, only from the website members (and the producer if applicable). I'm pretty sure this has been out in the open for a while though? Certainly if not here then in Verified? We have to weigh up the extra exposure from being bumped into No1 spot on the website during the countdown, and the guarantee, against the additional viewers who we don't get paid for etc. I still do them, but it's a fine balance!
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Well, they've got me. I got two gold-show requests tonight, with 3-min(!) countdowns and goals of 40 and 30. Looks like they are trying to see if they can get me broadcast my fanny worldwide for a bowl of soup. FUCK YOU, I am not letting thousands of people watch and probably record me to be getting 9 dollars for a show. Thank you, SM TV - but I can get those $9 on my own.
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I know it's probably on here(sw) somewhere, but what channel are the sm shows aired? (in america that is?) I don't participate in them at the moment, because I want to see how it looks first. thanks
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^I'm pm ing you - don't want all the custies to run off and buy a subscription :)
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Yes, it has always been that way. They only pay the pledge price to us when they want to interact. Otherwise they pay a subscription price every month to just watch the feed.
I notice on that email they sent out they say "When on TV suggest logging on to “the website you see on your screen” vs a specific site name. Because there are so many sites driving traffic to you, it may confuse members who are on another site watching.
Acknowledge your TV viewers, it may be the first time for many of them! Look right at the camera often, it really makes a difference! *Tell TV viewers to come find you after the show. We see models encouraging people to find them are getting more repeat business. Example:
”Hey are you watching on TV? Log on and look me up!”
”If you’re seeing this on TV, send me a message, come say hi!” Interact with viewers. They are seeing you on TV and may not realize how much interaction they can actually have with you directly, during and after the show.
*When talking to your TV viewers, mention private/exclusive chats that they can have with you after the show. Try explaining them to viewers as they may be new."
My question is - Is this extra exposure for us going to bring us more money in OUR pockets? Has anyone successfully gotten regulars this way?
It seems it should be helping due to the extra exposure, but are these TV viewers converting or are they more a passive audience?
Another concern of mine - Is this going to have the opposite effect and acutally convert good-paying regulars to non-interactive TV viewers where I don't get ANY of the money??!!!
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If tv viewers are paying a monthly subscription then aren't they kind of watching/getting the TV Gold Show for free.
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Blovely
If tv viewers are paying a monthly subscription then aren't they kind of watching/getting the TV Gold Show for free.
Yes they do get it free. It's been that way since the beginning.
They only have to pay if they want to chat with you.
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I am slightly shocked that some people did not realize this about the TV Gold Shows.
Did you think that SM was kicking in the extra money into TV GS because they were nice? The money they give you is what they think your GS is worth to broadcast to all the television freeloaders.
I personally always thought the money they were offering was a rip-off for the amount of people they wanted me to entertain and that is why I never have or will do a TV GS.
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I never looked at it this way...thanks Incantatious for bringing this up. I am always being asked to do TV shows by Streamate. I have never opted in and I'm happy I haven't after really thinking about this. I didn't have any desire to do TV gold shows because I have block zones...this just makes it more of a No No to me
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Incantatious
Eee, am I? lol. I was actually mega worried about posting this thread because of the conspiracy thing.. It could seem that way or like I'm trying to start some silly uproar against SM or something or maybe even this has been answered before.
Brilliant post(s). I can see why you would think this. :)
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Rosemary Rabbit
I'm pro-TV.
I just wanted to say that I am acually pro-TV too. Even though I personally would never do it. As long as it isn't being forced on me by Streamate that I have to perform Gold Shows on TV and the camgirls that are doing them are making $$$$ then I am happy for them!
The economy is crap out there. So if this TV thing pulls more people to the site than it is fine by me.
The reason I don't do TV GS has nothing to do with my thinking that I am 'better' than the camgirls that do TV GS or that the camgirls that do TV GS are selling themselves short. My reasons are only based on the fact that my own personal risk of being found out by being on TV compared to the money to the amount of money that Streamate is currently offering for shows just isn't worth it to me.
Yes, I understand that being a camgirl on the internet puts me at risk of being found out. But there is still a MAJOR stigma between being a camgirl and 'being a porn star on TV'. They money that SM is currently offering me at this point is just not enough for me to have to deal with that extra double-dose sized stigma.
I just wanted to clarify my position in case anyone thought I was all......'Kill all SM TV GS! Kill! Kill!' ;)
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justanothercamgirl
I just wanted to say that I am acually pro-TV too. Even though I personally would never do it. As long as it isn't being forced on me by Streamate that I have to perform Gold Shows on TV and the camgirls that are doing them are making $$$$ then I am happy for them!
The economy is crap out there. So if this TV thing pulls more people to the site than it is fine by me.
The reason I don't do TV GS has nothing to do with my thinking that I am 'better' than the camgirls that do TV GS or that the camgirls that do TV GS are selling themselves short. My reasons are only based on the fact that my own personal risk of being found out by being on TV compared to the money to the amount of money that Streamate is currently offering for shows just isn't worth it to me.
Yes, I understand that being a camgirl on the internet puts me at risk of being found out. But there is still a MAJOR stigma between being a camgirl and 'being a porn star on TV'. They money that SM is currently offering me at this point is just not enough for me to have to deal with that extra double-dose sized stigma.
I just wanted to clarify my position in case anyone thought I was all......'Kill all SM TV GS! Kill! Kill!' ;)
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We don't know how many viewers are watching from TV. Could be 1, could be 1000.
The TV viewers pay the price to access the channel (kind of like paying for a subscription to Playboy TV), and that gives them access to ALL gold shows on that channel. They do not have to pay our pledge amounts per show. They only have to pay the pledge if they want to "interact" with us, such as type to us during the show.
Essentially, we are not paid for TV viewers. We are compensated if we do not reach the goal, but that's it. When you consider taking TV shows, you are basically being guaranteed a flat fee to do a show regardless of how many people (TV viewers) are actually watching. Sort of like MFC... few guys tip, all guys watch the show. The only ones who HAVE to tip to see the show are the internet viewers.
This is not speculation on my part, this information was given to me when I inquired further about how TV shows work and how we know how many people are watching, etc.
I also posted this in verified a while back after I acquired this information.
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Originally Posted by
Sunnylexie
I lost a long-time regular cause of the TVs. Now he comes to my room just to tell me how much he enjoyed waatching me on TV that day and how good it is that my shows are broadcasted. FUUUUU.
According to what I was told from the same person who gave me the information in my last post, TV shows are not rebroadcasted. They are all live. So you don't need to worry about having done one show and it playing over and over, they only play live feeds, according to my last inquiry on the topic.
BUT, if the member has a TV subscription to the CamTV channel, AND he also comes onto the website, then YES he can essentially view ALL your TV gold shows for the cost of his TV subscription (without having to pay the pledge on the website) by flipping the TV on whenever he knows you are on TV (which is obvious since they move you to the first spot).
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Also, sorry for 3 separate posts lol....
I'm pro TV.... IF they give me the right goal amount. IF. And I'm thinking that now the goal amount is actually open to be changed rather than based on averages as they originally were. This is based on my own experience and others who have had producers one way or another basically say that they could change the amount. Not to mention, I'm offered $165 in one hour, and $100 the next.... there's no way that's averaged and changed by $65 in a matter of an hour.
So yah, TV can be a great way to make money, IF the goal is right. It has to be "worth it" for me seeings as I am NOT paid for any TV viewers. I'm basically accepting a flat fee to do a show for an unknown number of people.
The biggest positive for me in accepting TV offers is, not only is it guaranteed money (which is nice when it's slow!) but often times I FAR exceed the goal by the sheer fact that I am moved to the #1 position and receive A LOT of traffic, and therefore extra pledges from internet viewers.