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questions about camming on ifriends versus streamate
A few questions first of all I would like to find a new site to work on currently I am working on ifriends. The money is not very good but up till now I didnt need to use it as my main income source anyway, and there are some things I like about it (I'll get more to that in a minute). The problem is that ifriends penalizes chathosts for working on other sites so I want some idea what Im getting into before I make the move to another site.
First question. Would it be possible for me to do gold shows on streamate without using sound? Is this realistic at all or would I just be laughed off the site? The reason I ask is because I have anxiety attacks and its very hard for me to work using sound because the customers can tell how scared and nervous I am, and it just end up doing more harm than good usually. I'm not looking to make thousands of dollars a night but if I could make $200 - $400 per night, I would be ok with that. Its still more than I make now.
The second question is for anyone who has lost their exclusive status on ifriends, and took the cut in pay as a consequence. I would like to know if you were using the guaranteed payment option (on ifriends) and if they actually docked you for leaving the site another 15% in addition to the cut you took for using the guaranteed payment option. cause I am already making only 35% now with gpo. Its hard to imagine being penalized down to 20%.
Well hope someone has some advice for me. I will be really glad to hear it. Thx!
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fluffyclouds
First question. Would it be possible for me to do gold shows on streamate without using sound? Is this realistic at all or would I just be laughed off the site? The reason I ask is because I have anxiety attacks and its very hard for me to work using sound because the customers can tell how scared and nervous I am, and it just end up doing more harm than good usually. I'm not looking to make thousands of dollars a night but if I could make $200 - $400 per night, I would be ok with that. Its still more than I make now.
The second question is for anyone who has lost their exclusive status on ifriends, and took the cut in pay as a consequence. I would like to know if you were using the guaranteed payment option (on ifriends) and if they actually docked you for leaving the site another 15% in addition to the cut you took for using the guaranteed payment option. cause I am already making only 35% now with gpo. Its hard to imagine being penalized down to 20%.
Well hope someone has some advice for me. I will be really glad to hear it. Thx!
They don't dock you if you are non-exclusive. They take away the GPO and leave you at 35% so that you have all chargebacks and non-clearing shows deducted from your pay.
Gold shows are supposed to always include sound according to Streamate's rules.
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Re: questions about camming on ifriends versus streamate
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Originally Posted by
fluffyclouds
A few questions first of all I would like to find a new site to work on currently I am working on ifriends. The money is not very good but up till now I didnt need to use it as my main income source anyway, and there are some things I like about it (I'll get more to that in a minute). The problem is that ifriends penalizes chathosts for working on other sites so I want some idea what Im getting into before I make the move to another site.
First question. Would it be possible for me to do gold shows on streamate without using sound? Is this realistic at all or would I just be laughed off the site? The reason I ask is because I have anxiety attacks and its very hard for me to work using sound because the customers can tell how scared and nervous I am, and it just end up doing more harm than good usually. I'm not looking to make thousands of dollars a night but if I could make $200 - $400 per night, I would be ok with that. Its still more than I make now.
The second question is for anyone who has lost their exclusive status on ifriends, and took the cut in pay as a consequence. I would like to know if you were using the guaranteed payment option (on ifriends) and if they actually docked you for leaving the site another 15% in addition to the cut you took for using the guaranteed payment option. cause I am already making only 35% now with gpo. Its hard to imagine being penalized down to 20%.
Well hope someone has some advice for me. I will be really glad to hear it. Thx!
How does ifriends penalize you for working on other sites? Do you mean if you split cam? Or if you work any other sites at all?
You will not be eligible to do gold shows unless you use audio. It is one of the requirements for getting gold shows activated on your account. Most guys on Streamate want to hear you talk, too.
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For real? I didn't know that! I cam without audio and I was given the GS option a long time ago!
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SarahTime
How does ifriends penalize you for working on other sites? Do you mean if you split cam? Or if you work any other sites at all?
You will not be eligible to do gold shows unless you use audio. It is one of the requirements for getting gold shows activated on your account. Most guys on Streamate want to hear you talk, too.
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SarahTime
How does ifriends penalize you for working on other sites? Do you mean if you split cam? Or if you work any other sites at all?
They have exclusive and non-exclusive status for all the models so that the ones who can't be seen anywhere else get a bigger percentage of their earnings, and I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's working on other sites that get's you in the non exclusive status not just working both at the same time.
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Marina Starr
For real? I didn't know that! I cam without audio and I was given the GS option a long time ago!
Yea same with me too.
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U dont loose exclusivity status on ifriends for working other sites or even splitcamming, u loose it if not commited to their members, means somebody or more members there complained about ur poor service or lack of attention or so. i know i was splitcamming ifriends with imilive for example for years and i am still exclusive there, my account is active still and can work anytime. my friend lost her exclusivity status due to being rude to members there, they filled complaints and she lost the status even she was camming on ifriends only. tho she was able to get it back after long time and many emails, she was also a good earner so that helped.
On SM u required to use sound when doing gold shows, the fact that u have gold shows enabled is one thing and actually doing gold shows is another thing.
So if u want to actually work gold shows especially tv gold shows u need to have sound on together with the rest of requirements.
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Truthfully, I hate iFriends. Yes, they take a 50% instead of 65-70% but their traffic is so ungodly slow. Here is my experience working with Streamate and iFriends...
On Streamate, the traffic is constant. And, you are able to have countless of people in your room privately if you want, except for exclusive. I charge only $1.99 for regular privates and will have three to even eight people in at once. The customers seem to be a hell of a lot less demanding. And I actually have regulars that respond to me. I have a few clients that are both on iFriends and on SM and they have complained to me about iFriends' streaming quality. Because the traffic is so awesome on Streamate, I can easily bust out $20/hour to $40 an hour and hell, I even will make $120 in an hour because you'll have those random people that are just awesome. I have never made that on iFriends. On SM too, the gold shows are just awesome. I'm a BBW model and I usually made about $300 a week on SM putting in only about 15 hours.
But iFriends? OOOHHH GOD I HATE THEM!!! I was swindled in by the 50% cut and the oh-so-fabulous fan club. Here's the thing, their technology is so screwy that I spend about 3 hours a DAY just trying to talk with a tech why my videos and photos won't upload. I'm talking profile photos can't be changed, 3 minute videos not uploading and I had to have a tech who was about as dumb as a doornail tell me things I already knew.
Also, if you write ANYTHING in your show like anal, big boobs, or what not, they will put you in that room category. Which sounds awesome, but as a BBW I was being put in 6 different rooms full of skinny girls and for four weeks was put in tears because every time a member came in, they'd leave without me even being able to START saying hi. I had to figure out on my own to not put really anything in my description to stay in the BBW room.
Another thing, I worked for ten minutes at $1.75 (with my cut) and my earnings didn't show. And it's happened quite often. You'll ask the techs and they say "give it until tomorrow" and it still hasn't shown.
Their streaming lags so horribly and the traffic is so slow. I am lucky if I make $100 a week with 30 hours of work. Plus, the demanding clients screaming for anal and saying that $3/min is too much, and I have several weird stalkers that come in deliberately just to call me fat, tease me, say horrible things and even though I've banned them permanently they still come in. IFriends says they can't do anything about it.
iFriends put me into frustrated tears for 6 weeks straight. Some clients are nice, yes, but the headache with everything is not worth it.
Also, my cam would randomly disconnect and God forbid someone took me private. iFriends stream is so horrible that sometimes it would take me two hours just to connect properly. Some people have better luck on iFriends, some on SM, but I'll take SM over iFriends any day
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Oh.. I remember only to well leaving ifriends for Streamate. I was so scared about losing my exclusive status at first because I just didn't know what to expect from Streamate. But I did it, trusting in a very popular host that left that site for Streamate. She helped me get signed up and I was online camming in 20 minutes with her help and connections. After working at Streamate I just said "Bite me ifriends" I hate that site. It's slow and I could never get any help for anything that was wrong in my chatroom. They would just blow me off and say everything was okay. I was angry about all these guys saying they could hear my mic when I clearly had the mic off. Final straw was when this one customer heard me over talking with my hubby about our children. I wrote and wrote them about that problem. No Help at all! I wrote and wrote them about my videos not showing up. I got tired of it all! hated that damn fanclub that joe blows could join and see all my videos and photos and unjoin so I would never get my fanclub money. I will never work there again! I have made a ton more money in a lot less time at Streamate. Some days at ifriends I would sit there bored out of my mind for 6 hours and make a measly 20.00! At streamate I work maybe two hours and make 100.00 or more in that time. I'm not bored and its a hell of alot more busy.
I don't really know anything about the sound and gold show thing...but I see some ladies helped with that. :) I was told while I worked at ifriends you were not allowed to cam on any other site or you would go down to 35% and you would be the one to get the wienie up the ass if the guy did a charge back or whatever it is ifriends does. Then I was told you could work on another site but not at the same time. So who knows...LOL I chose the GPO before I left. I was constantly freaked out by every guy that came into my room. I never knew what guy was going to pay or if he was going to rip me off. It's not a very nice camming experience to worry in a show and especially a long one if you were getting ripped off. That site is shit! I have no idea how some ladies still work it. The 50% is awesome but it's not worth the worry about fraud there. I was a lot more relaxed in my shows once I went to GPO. If you lose that exclusive though your stuck at 35% and no insurance of getting paid. Maybe it's different now. I quit in 2010 and quite honestly I might even be wrong on some of this. I don't really remember everything about ifriends anymore. I bet you end up just forgetting ifriends. :)
I feel your pain about camming with sound. For along time I did no sound at ifriends. I finally did it and it took me quite awhile to get used to it. I remember freaking out the first time this customer wanted roleplay with sound. I actually froze and shut down my computer. It was embarrassing and hard. Talking now is not a issue with me...roleplay is not a issue anymore. I got used to it..watched some porn online to help me with the things to say. Now guys says I'm a great dirty talker...the words just fly from my mouth without even a thought. I hope that you can someone find a way to overcome the anxiety. :( I feel sad for you because I know how that feels. I personally hate shows now where the guy can't hear me. It's annoying and although I make more money because I have to chat. It feels awkward to me now.
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Originally Posted by
fluffyclouds
A few questions first of all I would like to find a new site to work on currently I am working on ifriends. The money is not very good but up till now I didnt need to use it as my main income source anyway, and there are some things I like about it (I'll get more to that in a minute). The problem is that ifriends penalizes chathosts for working on other sites so I want some idea what Im getting into before I make the move to another site.
First question. Would it be possible for me to do gold shows on streamate without using sound? Is this realistic at all or would I just be laughed off the site? The reason I ask is because I have anxiety attacks and its very hard for me to work using sound because the customers can tell how scared and nervous I am, and it just end up doing more harm than good usually. I'm not looking to make thousands of dollars a night but if I could make $200 - $400 per night, I would be ok with that. Its still more than I make now.
The second question is for anyone who has lost their exclusive status on ifriends, and took the cut in pay as a consequence. I would like to know if you were using the guaranteed payment option (on ifriends) and if they actually docked you for leaving the site another 15% in addition to the cut you took for using the guaranteed payment option. cause I am already making only 35% now with gpo. Its hard to imagine being penalized down to 20%.
Well hope someone has some advice for me. I will be really glad to hear it. Thx!
Hi there! We have no rules against working on multiple sites provided you are able to give your attention to members when they enter your room :) PM me with your screenname so I can take a look at your account.
~Amanda
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^^^ Nice of you to answer here Amanda but Ifriends never made it clear about what Exclusivity status means actually and alot of models were thinking it meant 'Work only with us". I am with u since year 2000 on and off so i know alot about site also when there were forums and models were talking to eachother. Nice to see u confirm this but it's a bit late, not ur fault tho :))
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I would like to know why members come in and leave immediately. It took a member (my fan). To finally say "hey, I can't see you". Does anyone else have the issue of members coming in and immediately leaving on IFriends? I'm #2 usually when I log on to BBW and I'm not ugly or rude by any means and my rate is one of the lowest. It's so discouraging
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^^^ Why u work with lowest rate pls? For many guys low rate equals low quality plus it attracts low quality cheap members. Up ur rates to atleast 3.99 a min and higher so u attract better members. Ifriends was my 1st and only site for many years but the traffic is slow there since a few years, i prefer SM over IF but what i love about IF is they have paid chat only and some nice members that are not rude, no trolls like on SM, even SM is better in traffic its more exhausting to work freechat and deal with all trolls and freeloaders where on IF u mostly deal with people that are into you and pay for a show.
I work IF when i get tired of SM freechat, i have some regulars there that spoil me time to time so i am content.
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You know I actually never thought of that! I did get two members to take me pvt @ $8/min but after a while I started getting some horrible customers that bitched about $4/min. I'll try going up again tonight
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I saw that I freinds needed more BBW models on adult staffing .com so i looked into my account on there that I never use and was poking around on it. So this site still pays out 50% - does anyone know? Does anyone know anything about the different log in types I'm confused on that. Theres 4 type of log in types I can chose before i go live
Standard
Free to go pvt
Free to my fan club members
Free for everybody
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With sound you just as if you are having a conversation with anyone face to face, they can't tell if you are nervous based on how you are talking to them you read the screen and answer their questions or start up a conversation.
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Snowy0Star
I saw that I freinds needed more BBW models on adult staffing .com so i looked into my account on there that I never use and was poking around on it. So this site still pays out 50% - does anyone know? Does anyone know anything about the different log in types I'm confused on that. Theres 4 type of log in types I can chose before i go live
Standard
Free to go pvt
Free to my fan club members
Free for everybody
Yes, still 50% unless you choose GPO for 35% which guarantees you against chargebacks and uncollected shows. They still withhold 10% for 6 months though if you choose standard payout, but I don't care, I always see it later on in my payouts. I actually get 55% because I've been denoted an "amateur star" since I have my own website & I've been there for 10 years. I wish the traffic was what it used to be because it was great, even up to a few years ago it was pretty damn good. I make more now but I was a lot less exhausted!
Standard is screened off so only those who take you private can see you.
Free to go private is like streamate; free videochat for all until some one goes private (which is only exclusive). You get more traffic with this option so it's highly recommended for the first months you're there to use this
Free to my fanclub members is a free show, a treat to your fanclub members
free to all is what it sounds like :) who ever uses that? I don't know
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SophiaSylvan
Yes, still 50% unless you choose GPO for 35% which guarantees you against chargebacks and uncollected shows.
do you know how you can check which one ur signed up under? i dont even know when i signed up but it was awhile ago and i dont remember .
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Snowy I can`t recall as GPO wasn`t an option when I started out, but you can change it at any time I believe. Settings like that should be under your ID card manager. Also the Live Chat help is great on iFriends if you have any questions.
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SophiaSylvan
Snowy I can`t recall as GPO wasn`t an option when I started out, but you can change it at any time I believe. Settings like that should be under your ID card manager. Also the Live Chat help is great on iFriends if you have any questions.
o ok ty i will check and look into that =^y^=
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Actually I got my start on ifriends and back in 2010 as a newbie it was great. I didn't do the GPO 35% option and instead went the 50% or really (45 with 5% held for chargbacks If I recall). When it came to rates I was between 3.99-4.99 in 2010. I would never go below that amount ever. Plus I referred members over getting 100% payout which was just lovely.
Ohh and they billed in full minute increments too so it was so new for me when I went to other sites and they were billing guys in seconds. It's one of the reasons I no longer do Basic Privates on MFC because the voyeurs pop in for a few seconds . Usually I'll see a stream of 3-8 tokens per member when I look at tokens session stats. It's irritating.
Still I rarely got chargebacks on IF which seems to be more common for models that are either priced incredibly low ( the cheapest rate offered on the site) or guys with money fetishes so ( high rates of 8-$10 per min) .
I also loved being able to see the ip locations of members so you were always able to ban a guy's state so he wouldn't come back. Surely there was always the guy that had a revolving ip but boy did it help for the ones that didn't know how to get one. lol
Even the fanclub. I made sure my fan club rate was the highest possible and also made sure that any picture or video in my fan club was 100% vanilla fully clothed tease only. No nudity at all. So even if a guy jumped in to download stuff , he wasn't getting anything worth stealing. The members that stayed in my fan club usually took advantage of the discount on privates and being able to use the Get Closer feature to call me. I really think they should have had a way that you didn't have to be logged in for that feature but logged off and able to disable and enable it to receive calls without being anywhere near your cam.
Still guys loved to call me for hours because it was a steal.
So I really tried to maximize all option of the features on the site and find ways to deter guys from trying to screw me out of money.
Ohh another cool feature the notest function. I so loved to be able to keep track of history with every member that popped in so I knew who to talk to , who to ignore, who to ban. it allowed me to maximize my time and money speaking to those members that were really going to spend and also ban members that may have charged back some random minutes but returned anyways thinking I wouldn't remember.
My only real issue with Ifriends was how dead it became. My room was busy and so energetic and then boom the site just died. I remember one day spending 12 hrs on cam in free chat and making $0 and that's when I knew it was time to jump ship. Most of what surrounded the loss of traffic was some dispute webmasters had going with ifriends payouts. So they in turn stuck it to them by redirecting their traffic to SM. That's in some cases why SM became as big as it did. Plus the cheapest rate on SM was lower than Ifriends at that time. I think Ifriends updated their cheapest rate to $2.49 from $1.99 and some models lost it even some members got into the forums there and really bitched.
I mean $0.50 and they acted like someone robbed them blind when things go up every year.
Honestly I loved the way ifriends looked because it had a very simple vibe but seemed to be a high end option which translated over well to higher spenders. I would also add that 99% of my customer base was hot. Like the chances of me getting an unattractive guy was slim and even so he was cheap and never spent alot of time in private anyways. Good looking men were the real spenders there which is where I really felt "why didn't I start doing this sooner!".
So if it wasn't for the drop in traffic I probably would have stayed myself but I had to seek out greener pastures. I also got tired of the "everything is fine" attitude when it was quite clear instead of focusing on updating the site , they should have stuck with maintaining their customer base. Also when they did go from V1 to V2 many of the older customers that has old computer processors couldn't even run the new site because it was too heavy. So they lost a good amount of spending members that way too especially ones that weren't savvy in finding the back door from V1 into V2.
If you take the site updates to V2, glitches, slow loading cam after the member was already in private, then the webmaster drama, SM making headway and a cheaper base rate, then MFC with their "never pay for a cam model again promo" and you get a ghost town for Ifriends. It's a shame because Ifriends looked hot and made you feel like you really "arrived".
Also the other issue was premium chat where you'd just wait for privates and some models putting up recorded content but pretending to be live. They did have an option for this but it did notify the customer before entering. Then the models with "18" in their name yet they had that same name for 20 years or so. Members complained of popping in being billed for 2-5 minutes only to find out the woman in question was pushing 50 when her profile picture no longer really looked like her.
So too many issues and abuses on all ends that just made other sites like MFC and SM appear to be a better option for the customer.