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Camming Through College- MBA
Hi everyone! I am curious and want to know your thoughts on camming through college. I'm a business major who plans to get her MBA. I've read threads & posts where they talk about how it's a bad idea if you're a teacher, work with children, etc. Do you all think that by camming when I enter the the business workforce I'll be looked down upon, not taken seriously, not hired, etc? BTW I also read some posts about the fear of people at the school finding out which is not really a big concern to me. My only school concern is that I'm a majorette for a large SEC school and I'm scared I may lose my position on the team (along with the accompanying scholarship)..but like i said that's the least of my concerns. Thank you all for your advice!!! <3
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People will find out, in the last 6 months two people i know that I know of have found out via finding me on thier own. If your concerned at all about it don't enter the adult industry... Period.
Yes some people will not take you seriously after they find out you cam whether in a business situation or not, you never know.
One of the guys who found out I cam was a gentleman about it, the other... Well now he just sees me as less than a lady.
Honesty I wouldn't recommend camming to anyone who doesn't plan on staying in the adult industry or working for themselves in some capacity for the rest of thier working life. You never know how a future employer will react to camming or where your vanilla career will lead (ie a field not very fond of ex adult workers)...
Also I know what the type of school you go to costs, the opprotunity cost of camming vs losing your scholarship is not worth it unless you plan on making the kind of money that camming full time entails
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you really need to know there could be repercussions to camming you can't even think of at the moment and if you decide to cam you need to know one day you might have to own up to them.
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Its probably not a good idea because the business sector is VERY competitive. Unless of course you plan to be an entrepreneur. But if thats a case, time/money/motivation toward an MBA would be best spent on starting your actual business.
Basically... don't plan to do camming unless you plan to be your own boss or an independent contractor for the rest of your life. Because its likely to end up that way.
Even if you don't think you've been found out, you probably have. You have no way of knowing who has seen you because majority of the time they do not tell you. And every guy looks at porn, its just not a subject that comes up around women very much so you may think otherwise. I know one cam girl who has been camming since age 18... probably like close to 5 years now. 4 or 5. She thought no one knew, and then a bit ago someone typed her family nickname in her chat room randomly and then left. Trust me, people know. They know now, they will find out, or someone you know will see you on a tube site on day.
Think about this. Say you only do it for a year (or even a month!) and then you retire. You didn't tell a single person. What happens 15 years down the line when you're established at your new job and have forgotten about your camming days... what happens if someone you work with sees an old camming clip of you on a tube site and anonymously emails it to your boss? A clip of you masturbating on a tube site without your stage name listed so you didn't even know this clip existed? That is porn. And no one wants someone working for their company to have "questionable morals" (society's viewpoint) and have that kind of image in general? No one wants that because it can really hurt their business. They would fire you whether legally or through a loop hole. Yes, that is reality.
If you do adult work, plan to do it for life and plan to have a self-employment backup plan or two. There are many, many, many self-employment job options. But working for other people is not one of them.
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Originally Posted by
Missbeth
People will find out, in the last 6 months two people i know that I know of have found out via finding me on thier own. If your concerned at all about it don't enter the adult industry... Period.
Yes some people will not take you seriously after they find out you cam whether in a business situation or not, you never know.
One of the guys who found out I cam was a gentleman about it, the other... Well now he just sees me as less than a lady.
Honesty I wouldn't recommend camming to anyone who doesn't plan on staying in the adult industry or working for themselves in some capacity for the rest of thier working life. You never know how a future employer will react to camming or where your vanilla career will lead (ie a field not very fond of ex adult workers)...
Also I know what the type of school you go to costs, the opprotunity cost of camming vs losing your scholarship is not worth it unless you plan on making the kind of money that camming full time entails
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you really need to know there could be repercussions to camming you can't even think of at the moment and if you decide to cam you need to know one day you might have to own up to them.
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Here's the thing. Lots of women do it. A huge number of women strip and cam (and escort) their way through school. The majority aren't found out, but many, many are. Being "outed" is always a possibility.
The question you have to ask yourself, is "is the risk worth the gain".
Teaching, working with children, etc are always higher risks because of the background checks that are run as standard. You are almost 100% likely to be found out, and given the usual parental reaction, you will probably not ever work in that industry again.
Business is a little different. Background checks ARE becoming more and more common, but they aren't yet the standard. And many companies won't care, as long as you are good enough at your job - I have openly worked as a stripper while working for a big corporate company.
There is absolutely the possibility that you would work, and never be found out.
There is also absolutely the possibility of being found out. That may just lead to some remarks at the office. It could lead to losing one job, and finding a new one, and waiting to be found out there, too. Or, given how interconnected the industry is becoming (thanks, LinkedIn), and depending on how profile you want to be, it could utterly ruin your career. For the rest of your life.
If you get found out at school, you could lose your scholarship. You could even be expelled.
The reaction to being found out can also vary depending on where you are. Admitting to sex work in big, liberal cities goes over a LOT better than in the bible belt, obviously.
And here is the thing. Camming isn't really a Huge-income-little-effort kind of job. You usually have to put a lot of time and effort in to make "real" money - i.e., the money that would make it worth that kind of risk.
If it were me, and I was planning to be a mid-level manager in a liberal company in a big-ass city, and had the money to pay for my schooling if I lost my scholarship...maybe I would risk it. If I wanted to be a "name" in the business world, or make sure I wasn't limited at all - nope.
Frankly, the student looking for a quick buck is better off stripping. Less effort for the same money (no need to build a web presence) and less likelihood of being found out.
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Originally Posted by
Missbeth
Honesty I wouldn't recommend camming to anyone who doesn't plan on staying in the adult industry or working for themselves in some capacity for the rest of thier working life.
Truer words have never been spoken. As much as *I* love camming and it works for me I think there are better ways of making a short-term income that don't involve the level of risk. Especially now that camming is becoming more saturated and competitive I cannot really say that the reward outweighs the risk if you have something great and much more stable just a few years away.
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I think you just have to take a risk and see what happens. Can't live in fear of "what if's". Just have backup plans for possible scenarios if you do get outed. I'm currently in school too, and I plan to start a graduate degree next January. I plan to use that degree to teach at college level. It's pretty risky, but I'm willing to take that risk. Porn tapes never seem to do stars any damage, and my students might actually find it cool since they'll be over 18 (if they happen to come across an old video). lol
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I know the risks but I honestly don't care. I don't plan on working with kids anyway. Like blue bunny mentioned there's so much porn out there. I've had friends who aren't in the industry have photos and videos leak. Plus it's no secret that TONS of female students in various areas do sex work. Maybe not as traceable as camming but sex work yes. Certain degree paths are out of the question for me but I don't feel I've screwed myself over in any way. I don't see how it could effect what I'm into. I'm just going to take the chance.
I'm non nude so the most that will be found is me in a bra and underwear flirting. But most of my time is in public chat clothed. I really don't care. If it winds up biting me I'll just find another path. One could always move out of the country as well.
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BlueBunny
I think you just have to take a risk and see what happens. Can't live in fear of "what if's". Just have backup plans for possible scenarios if you do get outed. I'm currently in school too, and I plan to start a graduate degree next January. I plan to use that degree to teach at college level. It's pretty risky, but I'm willing to take that risk. Porn tapes never seem to do stars any damage, and my students might actually find it cool since they'll be over 18 (if they happen to come across an old video). lol
Not to be rude but I don't really think this is very thoughtful advice.
the thing is she doesnt have to "take a risk and see what happens"....
There are other ways she can support herself through school.
Yes porn tapes don't do stars damage but they do not live normal lives and for them all publicity is good publicity...
Do you reallY see your ratemyproffesor page as having a link to old videos of you on xhamster as not damaging? Because it could happen.
Also some professional jobs have behavioral clauses in them that can cause you to get fired for things done in te past.
I think if you do go into a professional career you should e afraid of "what ifs", getting found out and fired for unprofessional conduct can leave a permanent mark on you career record that could basically render your teaching degree useless
Remember It's not if someone will find out, it's when.
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My situation is not average, I have to admit that. I have the luxury to legally work and live in three countries, under different legal names...just how life happened. :) I am also in my 30's, so not much life left ahead of me to worry about a career. Wayne Dyer says herd mantra is to worry about 'what will they think', and I refuse to live by that philosophy anymore. What we do here is not wrong, it's only society's twisted view that assumes it is. If something happens and teaching doesnt materialize for me, I am personally totally ok with that. As long as men still exist on this planet, demand for adult services will continue to exist too, and I am ok with using my goods for survival in that manner. Ive always wanted to stay in my corner as far as 'living in society' goes, so in this case, my comment above is a reflection of the path I follow. I realize it might not work for others, but I have certainly thought about it long and hard before I joined (for about 7 years actually). :)
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Missbeth
Not to be rude but I don't really think this is very thoughtful advice.
the thing is she doesnt have to "take a risk and see what happens"....
There are other ways she can support herself through school.
Yes porn tapes don't do stars damage but they do not live normal lives and for them all publicity is good publicity...
Do you reallY see your ratemyproffesor page as having a link to old videos of you on xhamster as not damaging? Because it could happen.
Also some professional jobs have behavioral clauses in them that can cause you to get fired for things done in te past.
I think if you do go into a professional career you should e afraid of "what ifs", getting found out and fired for unprofessional conduct can leave a permanent mark on you career record that could basically render your teaching degree useless
Remember It's not if someone will find out, it's when.
Well it seemed like the OP was on the fence at first. I don't think it was advice. More like "if you get in this business you have to woman up and accept the consequences". Pretty much what we tell everyone on here.
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BlueBunny
I think you just have to take a risk and see what happens. Can't live in fear of "what if's". Just have backup plans for possible scenarios if you do get outed. I'm currently in school too, and I plan to start a graduate degree next January. I plan to use that degree to teach at college level. It's pretty risky, but I'm willing to take that risk. Porn tapes never seem to do stars any damage, and my students might actually find it cool since they'll be over 18 (if they happen to come across an old video). lol
Well that's easy to say, but when you are outed and you have a vanilla job, it often ends up in the news with your real legal name, your stage name, your picture, and your location. Which would pretty much destroy your life.
All it takes is ONE person seeing you on a porn tube site and then contacting your boss. ONE person who knows who you are.
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True Glamour, although Ive never heard anything of this nature on the news on local channels I get to watch, ever. Ive heard of women who were teaching young kids and had actual porn movies being outed and fired, and Ive heard of teachers having sex with students being outed. Im yet to hear of one being screwed over by camming. Of course it is possible, but then lots of things are. The corporate world seems a lot less concerned with stuff like that, and an MBA would lead more that way than any other strict career pathways which would care what women do in their spare time. If someone is on the fence about the issue, then yeah, perhaps other temp 'questionable' jobs that are harder to trace would be ideal.
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Well I had a friend who knew for about an entire year before telling me because he was kind of "shocked, embarrassed, confused, idk" lol. Fortunately he was understanding, but ummm your future employer may not be so forgiving...Also someone from an old high school of mines, typed the name of the HS I attended in my chat box....I'm not super popular either on cam and in real life...so out of the millions of camgirls in the world, it just so happens that someone who found me, knew me personally....Do not underestimate this biz lol...These scenarios have happened to a lot of us
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lolabunny
Well I had a friend who knew for about an entire year before telling me because he was kind of "shocked, embarrassed, confused, idk" lol. Fortunately he was understanding, but ummm your future employer may not be so forgiving...Also someone from an old high school of mines, typed the name of the HS I attended in my chat box....I'm not super popular either on cam and in real life...so out of the millions of camgirls in the world, it just so happens that someone who found me, knew me personally....Do not underestimate this biz lol...These scenarios have happened to a lot of us
I really just cannot believe how many cam girls are in denial that people they know know about their camming. Its just... obvious. Men look at porn. Men talk about hot girls with each other. There's just no way in hell some man who knows you (family member, old classmate, a friend's boyfriend, etc.) won't eventually run across you. Whether on a tube site, on a cam site, or just on the internet. And remember, men are visual creatures so they often get bored looking at the same girls/porn, which is why they scour tube sites and cam sites for new material constantly.
Telling you they know what you do is just a really awkward thing to bring up to a cam girl, so it doesn't happen that much. But chances are, he's going to bring it up to other guys who know you and then they are going to see you too.
A man does not have any incentive to tell you he knows you are a cam girl because chances are he's related to you, he has a girlfriend (women tend to rage when they find out their S/O is watching porn lol), they're religious, or they just don't want to admit they were watching porn. Basically, if you won't fuck him (or if he doesn't think there's a chance you would), he has no incentive to tell you he knows.
Its just odd to me that women go into this thinking "I won't get caught!!!" when in reality they have already been outed, just the person is keeping it to themselves for now. But someone will eventually say something.
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Thanks guys! I appreciate all the advice :) I found a job opening at Twin Peaks (which is Hooter's with more revealing outfits for those who live in areas that don't have them). The girls make great tips and it's a fun place--not super involved crazy work which is good for my situation. Do you guys think that working at a Hooter's type place will fuck me over in the future? Sorry if I sound really stupid asking these questions I just don't want to put myself in a bad situation.
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You will be found out. No ifs, ands, or buts.
I'm glad you found a job at a hooter's-esque place. Those kinds of restaurants tend to be considered "Family Friendly" and are much less looked down upon.
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^^^ in regard to prospective employer background checks etc., Hooters / Twin Peaks etc. are NOT considered to be part of the adult entertainment industry. Thus while listing work experience at Hooters / Twin Peaks might not be the greatest resume' enhancer, it's certainly less risky than NOT listing adult webcam work which then turns up during a background check.
In regard to being a ( US ) college student, be aware that FAFSA grants and loans typically work on the basis of the student remaining a dependent of her parents as well as student loan / grant applications being based on 'total household income'. This trickles downhill to the point of the student needing to inform her parents of both the fact that she is earning money, as well as potentially having to provide additional details so that the parents' tax return and the student daughter's tax returns are 'compatible' with IRS / FAFSA rules. FAFSA will cross-check with the IRS and with college bursars' offices on the basis of the student daughter's social security number. If it is discovered that the student daughter's income was not included in the FAFSA grant form filed by her parents, both the parents and the student daughter can count on an IRS inquiry at the behest of FAFSA.
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CamQueen
Thanks guys! I appreciate all the advice :) I found a job opening at Twin Peaks (which is Hooter's with more revealing outfits for those who live in areas that don't have them). The girls make great tips and it's a fun place--not super involved crazy work which is good for my situation. Do you guys think that working at a Hooter's type place will fuck me over in the future? Sorry if I sound really stupid asking these questions I just don't want to put myself in a bad situation.
I don't think it would fuck you over, but my thoughts are... if you're going to exploit yourself with a job like that, you might as well just work a regular restaurant job instead (like a high end steakhouse?) or just be a dancer. Because you'll be forced to work hard like a restaurant job, with the exploitation dancing or camming would cause... but all without the good pay, being your own boss, and flexibility to justify your hard work and the objectification that comes with being a hooters waitress.
I think being a dancer would be more logical than working at a hooters restaurant. The biggest issue with camming is that its on the internet forever, whereas dancing there is likely no video evidence.
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Deaddolly
If it winds up biting me I'll just find another path. One could always move out of the country as well.
Huh? As someone who has been wanting to leave the country for years and is actually going through the process now I can say with absolute certainly that you're much LESS likely to be able work in another country due to all of the immigration requirements and permits needed to be legally employed as an immigrant. Unless you have a degree or experience in an in-demand profession, many first world countries are not quick to grant work visas, and even if you do it usually a complicated and expensive process to get one. I wouldn't say, "Oh, if I get caught camming here in the States I'll just take my degree and work elsewhere!" It's way more complicated that that, unfortunately.
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CourtneyRaine
Huh? As someone who has been wanting to leave the country for years and is actually going through the process now I can say with absolute certainly that you're much LESS likely to be able work in another country due to all of the immigration requirements and permits needed to be legally employed as an immigrant. Unless you have a degree or experience in an in-demand profession, many first world countries are not quick to grant work visas, and even if you do it usually a complicated and expensive process to get one. I wouldn't say, "Oh, if I get caught camming here in the States I'll just take my degree and work elsewhere!" It's way more complicated that that, unfortunately.
Yeah that's true. I wanted to actually dance at a few clubs outside the U.S. but its basically impossible now to even get a visa to stay there long enough. Laws changed in the past few years. The only way you can get one is if you get one through your employer. And not even independent contractors are able to get one. Sucks. You would end up spending thousands and thousands just to interview for a job in another country because you'd have to keep flying back and forth for interviews alone.
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Have you thought about promotional work or being a Brand Ambassador? In college, I did everything from being a beer spokesmodel to working at local races handing out shampoo trial bottles. You make anywhere from $10-30/hr, with working for beverage companies at the top end. There is always a 2 hour minimum. Regular promotions (not nightlife) can be on-going for months, just weekends, or just last a weekend. I did it full-time during the holidays and made around $2-3k in a pretty large city. It looks GREAT on your resume, and is also great for anyone who is unemployed and doesn't want resume gaps. Sure, you are self-employed/freelance and have a small headache during taxes. I eventually worked my way from beer girl to manager to being a final candidate at a top liquor company as their statewide promotions manager. I was heavily pregnant so it didn't work out (of course LOL). But with you doing an MBA, doing marketing work I think would be great! And you can still do the modeling/glamour part mixed with the quick money. Well, I should not say quick. You are paid anywhere from 2-8 weeks after the event. Check craigslist under "gigs" and also search for event promotional companies.
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Glad to hear that you have found a job! Hooters-type places won't have any of the same issues that camming would - ridiculous as it may seem to US, camming is seen as "porn" (yes, even the non-nude stuff) but Hooters is seen as "waitressing".
There's also the part where camming is video. Recorded. Watchable.
If you work at Hooters/Twin Peaks - even if an employer sees it on a resume/background check, and makes a joke around the office, that's all it will be. If someone finds out about camming, they find video. Then you are being watched, and circulated, and all the rest.
I think that that (or stripping, even) is a great idea to make money, especially if you are concerned about it. Great tips, faaaar less of an issue. Especially as Hooters calls itself a "family restaurant". Which cracks me up.
Side note - to whoever it was that said "it doesn't affect the stars"....oh, honey. No, it doesn't. Because they are ALREADY millionaires with no privacy and a hundred stalkers. Doesn't really apply to those of us who are not in that situation. It's a bit of a pet peeve of mine when people think that just because such-and-such celeb gets away with something, everyone else can. Do you really think that Paris Hilton would be taken seriously if she was trying to head up a merger with a major corporation? I guess it bugs me from working in a tattoo shop and having to convince all the people wanting finger tattoos that just because Rihanna has one, it doesn't mean that they won't get stopped at the airport/turned down for rentals/lose their job. Unless you are a celebrity, do not assume you can get away with the same things they do.