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An Israeli girl on SM - is that problematic?
Hello girls. I went thoroughly through most of the SM thread, but still thought this question's worth a new thread since I haven't seen it addressed specifically anywhere else.
I am a MFC dropout, currently in the (long) process of signing up to SM and doing as much "research" as possible beforehand.
I was browsing a SM-related thread on another board, when I stumbled on this quote:
"keep in mind that most of the guys on the site actually filter all countries except Canada/North America/UK out when looking for girls, just like most of them do on MFC".
Is that so? On MFC, I remember a lot of guys telling me they expected me to be Asian since they found me through the Asia filter, which created a lot of confusion.
Now I'm pretty concerned about this statement that I just read. Is that correct? Because if so, it's going to suck, cause it's not only about the filtering - it's also about the fact that, most likely, no guy is going to intentionally browse for an Israeli girl since it is, as far as I can tell from my experience, extremely rare in the camming world.
I speak fluent English and feel like being "filtered" this way could do me some serious damage.
Are there any girls with similar experience? And is there any way to change this? /:O
Thanks so much!
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Re: An Israeli girl on SM - is that problematic?
Ask the site. We don't run the site and are not affiliated with it.
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I understand, but I'm not sure how/what exactly I should write the site's support about it. Should I directly ask them if being located in Israel is going to have any effect on my traffic?
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It's common on MFC for guys to filter otu all of Europe. When i cam with a VPN on MFC my room traffic is diubled, because it shows me as America instead of Finland. They don't care that my English is perfect or that I sound Canadian, the FI is enough to make them think whatever they think of Europeans. that being said, I've never really seen many Israeils in this industry, so in that sense I think you'd do somewhat well. You won't know until you try
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I agree, You could go on with an exotic flare, like a belly dancers outfit or a veil, and be smoking hot! not sure about the filters either. I would suggest Cam4 too, simply because ive had good luck there and i see alot of peeps from diff countries on there =) U ALWAYS NEED A BACK UP SITE! <3 good luck luv! I wish u many many monies <3
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sophiesecrets
I agree, You could go on with an exotic flare, like a belly dancers outfit or a veil, and be smoking hot! not sure about the filters either. I would suggest Cam4 too, simply because ive had good luck there and i see alot of peeps from diff countries on there =) U ALWAYS NEED A BACK UP SITE! <3 good luck luv! I wish u many many monies <3
This is so true that you need a backup site.
I am a USA cammer and I'm sure a lot of the guys on Adultwork (who has a lot of UK traffic) do filter me out because I'm not a UK woman and that is what a lot of them want. I do make some money there and I don't let it stop me.
No matter WHAT site you are on, some section of guys are going to filter you out.
Try it out, have a backup site or two and go make some money :) You will get regulars with time and your money will likely build as you get more skilled at camming and find your best hustle.
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Still try out all the big sites, but there might also be some sites where customers only speak Hebrew? Not sure if they exist but those could also be good to try because there is less competition. You can also try sites like MyGirlFund that don't have location filters your country is irrelevant as long as you speak english (which you obviously do lol just saying).
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actually, you can even put another country in your profile on SM as display country, and then you appear on filters as being from that country,if this worries you so much
maybe you should try it both ways
take care that such a change needs 24 hours to come into effect
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Thanks you all! I contacted support and their response was something along the lines of "don't worry, we'll figure something out". So, I'm optimistic.
It is extremely important to me to be listed as, at least, a resident of an English speaking country because I do, in fact, speak fluent English (from the feedback I received on MFC) and could pass for pretty much any nationality, physical appearance-wise (American, English, Canadian, French, Italien, etc.). And, as I said, because Israel is located in Asia, 99.9% of the guys who are using this filter are looking for an Asian girl.
There are actually a couple of Israel-based cam sites, but, oh god, they are a SHAME. I actually contacted the person who appears to be the man-in-charge of most of them (they are almost all connected) and told them what they're doing is truly horrifying. Basically, any girl working for them gets 2 shekels (that is approximately 0.60 cents a minute) for a minute of private; NO option of changing it whatsoever. That is horrible. Also, the traffic is not even close to what you get on SM/MFC. You also have to sign a contract saying you commit to not working for any other site, AND you have to stick to a schedule they set up for you (30-40 hours a week, I forgot). So, yeah. It is surprising to me because Israel is definitely not a third world country, but they still get away with what they're doing because basically, who cares?
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It will be fine. Men love the exotic look and if your English is good IMO you will do good.
Trust me, you will do awesome.
Customers do not filter like ppl think they do. Some customers do, but they mainly go off looks like the average person would.
You will be fine, dont worry.
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There are a lot of middle eastern girls on SM....
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Great piece of advice..."What you can't fix, you feature."
I haven't seen many Israeli girls on SM - although I haven't really been looking, because I don't browse a lot. But if I had a niche like that, I would play it UP - wear scarves, belly dancer stuff...whatever. Play up the eyes, go all exotic, play on the taboo.
Guys always filter. So work it to your advantage, and make sure that you can be filtered into niche markets, where you have less competition and higher paying customers.
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temptingmodel
It will be fine. Men love the exotic look and if your English is good IMO you will do good.
Trust me, you will do awesome.
Customers do not filter like ppl think they do. Some customers do, but they mainly go off looks like the average person would.
You will be fine, dont worry.
eeeeh this isn't true. Like I've said in other threads, when i ammed in the US or cam now using a VPN and I show up as US instead of Finland, my traffic is way better. Guys DO filter out Europe because of negative experiences and stereotypes.
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ManyRoses
Great piece of advice..."What you can't fix, you feature."
I haven't seen many Israeli girls on SM - although I haven't really been looking, because I don't browse a lot. But if I had a niche like that, I would play it UP - wear scarves, belly dancer stuff...whatever. Play up the eyes, go all exotic, play on the taboo.
Guys always filter. So work it to your advantage, and make sure that you can be filtered into niche markets, where you have less competition and higher paying customers.
I don't know how familiar you are with Israel, but... it's much, MUCH more a tiny-little-US (culturally-wise) than anything that pops into your mind ("you" in general) when you think "middle eastern". I've seen the suggestion of a scarf and belly dancer stuff a few times in this thread already and, honestly, guys, it has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. Like, zero. I am NOT saying it in a scolding tone because I know that this is what the majority of people think (at least before they visit Israel and/or are familiar with someone who lives there). Heck, some people ask me if we use camels for transportation, if we have Internet (!!!)... unbelievable things.
I live in proximity to Tel Aviv and basically, it's like a tiny version of California. Do a google image search of "tel aviv girls", "israeli girls" etc.
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Jaana
eeeeh this isn't true. Like I've said in other threads, when i ammed in the US or cam now using a VPN and I show up as US instead of Finland, my traffic is way better. Guys DO filter out Europe because of negative experiences and stereotypes.
I agree 100%. It's all about the stereotypes. Again, I'm absolutely not saying it in a scolding tone, but even here in this thread some of you have already suggested I'd use scarves and belly dancer material which is associated with the Middle East in general for some reason but has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. I don't want a niche because I don't really have a niche other than perhaps looking very young which I might play on. But, as Jaana said, I have no interest in being filtered because there's just no reason for it, the way I see it.
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Nina_Den
I agree 100%. It's all about the stereotypes. Again, I'm absolutely not saying it in a scolding tone, but even here in this thread some of you have already suggested I'd use scarves and belly dancer material which is associated with the Middle East in general for some reason but has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. I don't want a niche because I don't really have a niche other than perhaps looking very young which I might play on. But, as Jaana said, I have no interest in being filtered because there's just no reason for it, the way I see it.
Yeah, i was confused as to why people were telling you to belly dance. you're Israeli, not Palestinian. o.o Not that there's anything wrong with being Palestinian or Arab but the cultures are completely different. All of the people I've met from isreal speak perfect English and act as western as the rest of us, probably because most people living there are the children and grand children of Jewish people who lived in Europe up until WWII. I've actually known a lot of American Jewish folks who emigrated there after college so they could feel more close to their faith. Like I said, it's nothing like Lebanon or Jordan or Egypt.
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Nina_Den
I agree 100%. It's all about the stereotypes. Again, I'm absolutely not saying it in a scolding tone, but even here in this thread some of you have already suggested I'd use scarves and belly dancer material which is associated with the Middle East in general for some reason but has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. I don't want a niche because I don't really have a niche other than perhaps looking very young which I might play on. But, as Jaana said, I have no interest in being filtered because there's just no reason for it, the way I see it.
Hi Nina I wish you luck with your camming. I too was a bit surprised by some of the belly dancing suggestions, but finding a niche is not a bad idea. I'm not sure how long you have been doing this? I've found that my success in this biz is what sets me apart and makes me the most money. Although culturally somethings maybe inaccurate, creating a niche for yourself maybe something you might want to consider. That's of course if your dignity and self respect can remain intact. That above all else. Good Luck again,
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Nina_Den
I don't know how familiar you are with Israel, but... it's much, MUCH more a tiny-little-US (culturally-wise) than anything that pops into your mind ("you" in general) when you think "middle eastern". I've seen the suggestion of a scarf and belly dancer stuff a few times in this thread already and, honestly, guys, it has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. Like, zero. I am NOT saying it in a scolding tone because I know that this is what the majority of people think (at least before they visit Israel and/or are familiar with someone who lives there). Heck, some people ask me if we use camels for transportation, if we have Internet (!!!)... unbelievable things.
I live in proximity to Tel Aviv and basically, it's like a tiny version of California. Do a google image search of "tel aviv girls", "israeli girls" etc.
What I think of when I see Israeli:
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Zeva David is hot, and her accent is even hotter (I realize she is a fictions person)
Guys will find you! Stop stressing and start building your brand. The more you promote yourself the better business will get! Twitter is your friend. Try to incorporate as many keywords in to your profile as possible so you're easy to find. Provide great shows so you get great ratings. If all else fails then contact support and explain your concern and issues to them.
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I love Zeva, she's so bad ass. I was happy when she replaced Kate. Anyways.... MFC seems like a hit or miss for alot of ladies regardless of race/ethnicity. I avoided that site like the plague. I finally bit the bullet and signed up. I logged on for 10mins and never signed on again. It just wasn't my cup of tea.
Although I bitch about SM I still love and am grateful for them. I think you'd do alot better on SM. I'd sign up to a couple of other sites as well like My Girlfund and Clips4sale. I think you could start a pretty good niche for yourself since Israeli camgirls/online adult entertainers is such a rarity. You'll do great just keep reading and learning.
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Re: An Israeli girl on SM - is that problematic?
So you would recommend against having a different public country on my profile on SM and to just go with it? I *wish* it could work well as a niche, as you said - I'm just afraid of the filtering and/or prejudices and I have nothing to compare it to because I really don't think there are any Israelis on SM.
I'd absolutely love signing up to a couple of other sites, starting my own blog, etc. if I see things are going well for me on SM. Just feeling baffled right now. :eye-poppi
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Why not give it a test run? Rock being Israeli for 2 months or so. If the feedback you get isn't of your liking then change your style up. The only thing you can really do is give it a try. I really don't think it will be as bad as you perceive.
I don't think guys filter that much on SM. Guys ask me if I do toys, anal, what size are my tits, if I have phone, where I'm from, etc. I don't do toys/anal/phone, my tits aren't busty and it says the size as well as my location on my profile. They wouldn't even be coming in my room if they had filtered those options. Most guys seem to hop from room to room. They do not read shit lol. So I really don't think you have anything to worry about.
Prejudices....that's kind of a given. Guys can be ignorant because your tall, short, busty, smaller-chested, skinny, bbw, black, white, etc. Guys will talk shit no matter what and they get blocked because of it. Nobody has time for that. Just block them if they become ignorant towards you just because your Israeli. Block, block, block, and some more block.
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I think it is well known that Israeli girls are hot and a lot of guys would probably be into you just for that and also curiosity. Rock it girl. It is going to be about what sets you apart that makes you the most money, not how well you can conform.
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Plus I'm sure that women like Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue models
Bar Refaeli
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and Esti Ginzburg
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have already (at least somewhat) expanded guys' narrow view on girls from Israel / Middle East. :)
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temptingmodel
It will be fine. Men love the exotic look and if your English is good IMO you will do good.
Trust me, you will do awesome.
Customers do not filter like ppl think they do. Some customers do, but they mainly go off looks like the average person would.
You will be fine, dont worry.
I agree with this.
And on SM there is the "similar models" feature. If he clicks on someone, then in her room on the right side there is a list of similar models. Similar categories like age, cup size, body type etc not similar country. So even if they try to filter....
And filtering on SM means that the choosen region is displayed first. The rest is displayed as well, just after that region. So we aren't completely filtered.
I'm EE and I'm fine. I don't really feel or meet that discrimination people talking about. (At least not if we talk about customers)
+ you can pass as exotic too
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Haters gonna hate but just keep truck'n on :-D