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big fish in a little pond
Has anyone else here made $$$ in a lower class club that's comparable to what you would make in a high end club? Some of the earning potentials listed in gown clubs in big cities are pretty much the same as what I make in my not-so-nice club. I think this might be why-
- Low-end clubs have very low house fees
- Most girls in a low-end club are not ambitious hustlers, so there's not much competition
- Most girls that are 8s, 9s, and 10s find a nicer club to work in, so it's easy to stand out in a lower class club if you're good looking
- Stage tipping is apparently almost nonexistent in some high end clubs, but at low end clubs the stage is a popular place to sit and if the stage is packed you can make 100+ in a ten minute set
- Most money in high end clubs seems to require talking to a guy for a while in the hopes that he'll buy a champagne room, which may not pan out, and then you've wasted a lot of time. In a low end club you can just go from guy to guy offering cheapie five minute dances for $20 since it's not such a big investment of money for them, and while some won't want them, some will, which adds up pretty quickly.
What do you guys think? Has this kind of thread been made before since I'm sure others have thought about this too? I have no experience with high end clubs so everything I wrote here is based on things I've read on stripperweb :)
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It's a pretty common sentiment on here that there is definitely money to be made in dive clubs, and it can certainly be better than that in high-end clubs. All the reasons you listed are likely contributors, but there's also the matter of personal hustle style. Some girls thrive in the high-end club and others can't do it - but they can rock the more blue collar club. It's just a matter of finding a club that fits your style, because that's where you'll earn the most. There's just no one-size fits all.
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Yes, I agree. right now i work in a mid tier club where i average 500 a night off stage and dances, and occasionally sell a champagne room (i'm talking once a month without a customer). this is for a 9 hour shift.
ive also worked 4 hour shifts at a dive and averaged 300-400 a night, for the reasons you listed before.
i auditioned at a club where the downsides of a high end club were outlined above, and didn't get hired, and my friends from the mid tier club who got hired left after a month because they didn't like the reliance on the champagne rooms/consistency of dance clubs.
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I prefer lower end clubs bc I really stand out & it's alot easier for me to hustle for dances & vips in that type of enviroment. plus as you stated , some girls aren't ambitious hustlers, whilst the few girls are & out making the $$$. I hate high end clubs, they're just not for me in general. Managers & staff seem less douchey in smaller divey clubs & won't take half your money or expect a large tip out ,or at least in my experience they haven't .
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IME small club=big drama. Being the big fish in the smell pond doesn't mean jack if the little fish are nibbling away at you with little barbed teeth.
Remember Jurassic Park? T-rex got his ass handed to him by the raptors. Being the biggest does not always mean that you'll come out on top
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xxxGothBarbie
I prefer lower end clubs bc I really stand out & it's alot easier for me to hustle for dances & vips in that type of enviroment. plus as you stated , some girls aren't ambitious hustlers, whilst the few girls are & out making the $$$. I hate high end clubs, they're just not for me in general. Managers & staff seem less douchey in smaller divey clubs & won't take half your money or expect a large tip out ,or at least in my experience they haven't .
Word.
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In my experience, dives have lower earnings ceilings due to having fewer upsell options (plus, guys don't tend to want to buy the "champagne room" in a dingy strip club...it doesn't exactly inspire one to dump loads of cash).
That said, as long as you can find a dive that pulls in a consistent amount of customers, I'm all for working in lower-tier clubs. My biggest problem with them in the past has been that they gain reputations as dives, so guys start avoiding those clubs, and then you don't have any customers to hustle. But if you're working in a dive that doesn't have any other big clubs around it, then that becomes less of an issue since there is less competition.
Dives can also be rife with extras. This is true in any club, but dives may not pull in enough new customers to give clean dancers a fighting chance.
In the past, I have banked as a big fish in a small pond. It's a great self-esteem boost, too! As long as the environment doesn't depress you, go for it!
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Hello Starlily,
I have had that exact experience you described dancing in lower end clubs. Sometimes, depending on the club, just being in shape helps you a lot. There were times where if I worked in a dive, I felt like I was one of the few, if not only girls there making money with very little effort. It's just like what others have said in other threads, it's all about standing out.
And that's another thing, at mid-tier and dives I noticed that sometimes the girls who work there are not the best hustlers. Sometimes if I work at a higher end club and then go to a mid-tier/dive club it feels like easy game.
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tempest666
IME small club=big drama. Being the big fish in the small pond doesn't mean jack if the little fish are nibbling away at you with little barbed teeth.
This is absolutely true. I'm sure there have been people I have worked with in smaller clubs who secretly hated me, although I did nothing wrong to them. Mostly because I actually had the gall to approach customers and try to make a sale.
Starlily, if you decide to be a big fish in a small pond I recommend keeping all your stuff locked up in your locker. Keep your money on you in a garter fastened with rubber bands (I like the purse idea but I've heard about them getting stolen) and stay out of the dressing room as much as you can.
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At the little dive bars I work at I will sell on avg 50 lap dances but their $5 and I often wonder if I would sell the same 50 at $25 at a higher club or would that 50 drop to 15 or so. Less dances and more money sounds nice
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BBBJBecky
At the little dive bars I work at I will sell on avg 50 lap dances but their $5 and I often wonder if I would sell the same 50 at $25 at a higher club or would that 50 drop to 15 or so. Less dances and more money sounds nice
$5 dances? Seriously?
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^Yeah man. I've heard of 'em. Only slightly worse than the land of the $10 dances. The only upside being that clubs generally don't take a direct cut of those dances...
Painful.
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[QUOTE=starlily;2497035][*]Most girls in a low-end club are not ambitious hustlers, so there's not much competition[*]Most girls that are 8s, 9s, and 10s find a nicer club to work in, so it's easy to stand out in a lower class club if you're good looking"
umm really? no. i've worked in a total dive and a lot of the chicks were absolutely gorgeous. so don't assume that about all dives or that the girls aren't ambitious. many of them could work in a highend place and would rather work in a mid-tier or dive, myself included. dives aren't just for girls who "can't cut it". i absolutely hate "high-end clubs" wouldn't touch one again with a ten foot pole *haha*
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In the past, I have banked as a big fish in a small pond. It's a great self-esteem boost, too! As long as the environment doesn't depress you, go for it!
I had a good stint being a big fish in a small pond at a dive, but this is one of the main reasons I left and went to work at an upscale club. The club was small and old. The girls were clean, but they looked just as worn out as the club did. Most of them had crazy problems all the time, couldn't afford food or a place to stay. It was depressing. A lot of the customers seemed like outcasts from society. I was making good money, but I'm sure if I stayed and walked into that shitty club night after night, I would've gotten burn out and started hating stripping really, really quickly.
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Sansonnet
Starlily, if you decide to be a big fish in a small pond I recommend keeping all your stuff locked up in your locker. Keep your money on you in a garter fastened with rubber bands (I like the purse idea but I've heard about them getting stolen) and stay out of the dressing room as much as you can.
Word. Even though we have gotten rid of most problem dancers, they sneak in once in a while. Every few months clothes or money start disappearing or a pro gets in, but they are quickly found and fired.
My club is an "mid-tier dive". The owner wants it to be like an Indy club, but it won't happen. New remodeling makes it seem nice, but then you notice the uneven cement floor at your feet... Traveling and super hot girls bank here. A lot of our girls just try to sit in the dressing room so now there is a new 2 girls at a time rule. They sit around complain on their phone that there is no money (when it's busy, not one of these 1 customer per dancer nights), while myself and a few others are getting strings of LDs. For an example, our dancing manager only dances when there aren't a lot of girls working. She banks and all she does is get wasted. Sometimes I wish I was as hot as her, it would make working easier.
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I think location is an important factor. If you are in a major city guys that visit who stay in pricey hotels, spend big money on dinner and other attractions will gravitate towards a high end club. If you only have a limited pool of locals they will eventually find their favorite club so the higher tip outs of a high end club may not be worth it. I do think its easier to make money in dives and mid tier. Guys will part with $20 faster than they will $1000 so it's a quick hustle and if your looks make you stand out you could have guys sit there waiting for their turn. Although some of the customers I've met at mid tier and dives were really great people, I dealt with a lot more uncomfortable people there. However, I think non spenders feel more entitled at an upscale club as they've already invested in a high door fee and expensive drinks. Where as a club with a seedy edge keeps the same type of customer in line as they don't know if a biker gang will beat them up or something lol. You have to talk differently to high end customers vs dive. A wealthy business man wants a different kind of conversation, blue collar workers seem to appreciate babble and cheekiness. There's no harm in trying something new, you can always go back.
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I'm going to second what Charlie said about an earning ceiling in a dive-y club. Right now, the only more "upscale" club in my city won't hire me because I am too heavily tattooed, so I am working at a pretty dive-y place, but I do like it. It's a lot more fun than some of the more corporate places I've worked at, and I feel like the management are much nicer and more flexible than most of the guys at the upscale places.
In general, it suits me for now, and I make only slightly less than I used to (average out $3-400 a night, rather than $5-600) for a shorter shift (3-4 hours instead of 6). It's not necessarily easier, and because it is more about selling a few dances at a time, rather than VIP and blocks of time, it can feel more exhausting on a busy night - doing 20 dances is waaay more physically tiring than doing 3-4, and then a chunk of time hanging out sipping champagne!!
But the one thing that would bring me back to the upscale clubs is the possibility of the big fish. Where I am now, a "big spender" is the guy who drops a few hundred on a girl. Where I used to work, that's peanuts - maybe an hour in VIP. In the upscale clubs, the "big spenders" are throwing around thousands....and I want that! I know that my best night here will involve a LOT of work, and even if I was busy from the instant I walked in to closing time, I don't think I could manage more than a grand. But the upscale places...well. You can earn a lot more than that for a lot less work on those nights where you are in the zone and get the right custy.
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Being a big fish has its pros and cons. I work at a dive and I must say I dont like it at all...i feel like a small fiash in a small pond. Unless you have a regular or just are lucky as hell...you are not gonna make money there. The girls who have regulars been there for years and are so used to the club that they wont even try anywhere else becuase they know that its gonna be a different hustle and that money they are used to will not be seen until they work for it.
I dont care what ANYONE says...dives have a lower chance of having big spenders. You dont know how many times I ran into guys who will drop $300, $500+ on girls at a more mid or upscale club but will only give a girl $100 at the very most or not even that...buy a few $5 dances or maybe a $20 one. These men dont feel that dives are worth tge money to blow so they basically a few dollars goes a long way there.
At a dive $300 is good there...other places $300 anit shit. Plus in dives the quality of the girls is lower and also the customer in my opinion. Im a nice looking girl...nice body..face ect and there were other pretty girls who worked there but they leave becuase many customers are intimidated there and rather have a girl who looks like she worked in home depo to dance for them
Extras dont really happen...its too public...the VIP is not priviate...just a section on the side where you can still see things. The CR...whats CR?!!!The club is just one big room with stages.
More drama...everyone knows each other and if you stick to yourself...you are considered a bitch. I guess you can say its a family owned strip club...same old people been there for years...dancers included. I feel ledt out becuase a new girls comes in and i find out she justed took a long break and is back and welcomed back like she went on vacation. Girls talk about me becuase im not tight with any of the girls...its very cliquey.
Big clubs...no one gives a damn...mind ya business and go make your money.
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Yes .. You can make some decent $$$ in low end or mid level club.However not BIG $$$ unless you get to meet with some weird customers with crazy fetishes.But it is not so difficult to make Big $$$ in high end clubs.More Work & Not So Much Money if it is not High End.But Less Work & More Money in High End Clubs.
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xxxMsBarbaraxxx
Yes .. You can make some decent $$$ in low end or mid level club.However not BIG $$$ unless you get to meet with some weird customers with crazy fetishes.But it is not so difficult to make Big $$$ in high end clubs.More Work & Not So Much Money if it is not High End.But Less Work & More Money in High End Clubs.
Mostly agreed! My breakdown would look like this:
Small/Dive clubs: Fewer girls, fewer hardcore hustlers, slower hustle required, more regulars, fewer new customers, lower turnover, lower earning potential, more consistent money
Big/Upscale clubs: More girls, more hardcore hustlers, faster hustle, fewer regulars, more new customers, higher turnover, increased earning potential, less consistent money
I spent four years working in a dive earning great money - I love dives! That said, when I come across a dive with a "stupid" pricing structure, I run away quickly! That's a major red flag. Dumb pricing structures will kill your earning potential (e.g. a champagne room that costs $100/half hour while single dances cost $20/song).
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I have worked in both, high end clubs w/ long gowns and elbow length gloves and the dive to mid tier clubs. I started high end then moved to dives. I prefer working in dives/Mid tier. The secret to working at a dive and making it extremely profitable: A) find a small clean club in a state that brings in a tremendous amount of tourism of high end clientele. Yes, you will be in a dive but there is wealthy men in the club because of an event in town or because it's season. B) find a small clean club that is the only club in a 120 mile radius in a tourist town. And that is how I have manifested big money at dives.
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This all depends on what works best for you. I am a 5-6 in the looks department working at a top end club (for my city. We aren't fancy here.). I am satisfied with my earnings, but am by no means making as much as the top earners in my club. I used to prefer the dive clubs because I felt like I couldn't compete with the girls who are just stunningly beautiful. I have the gift of gab, am college educated and make sure I look as best as I can by taking care of myself. This allows me to make better money at the high end club than I ever could at the dive bars.
I know some of the girls are going home with over $1k per shift and most are going home with more $$ than I am. But, I'm making more here than I would at the dive bar, so I am satisfied with my earnings. I don't let jealously get in the way of enjoying my work. It would be stupid of me to think I can compete with the top earners here. I just keep it real, and work where I feel the most comfortable.
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I just scope a place out where I have the biggest boobs. ::) Get a whale who is a tit man and clean him out. Works for me.
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I worked at a dive for five years. Me and two of my friends were the top earners for a while and the work environment was great. None of us were singled out as the person to be jealous of since there were three of us. When they quit, though, nobody else rose up so I was the only one banking there for a couple years. It turned into a terrible, claustrophobic situation.
Everyone needed to know exactly how much money I'd made. I started waiting until they'd left to cash in my funny money, but then they started waiting for me! So at the end of every night I would come out to 5-10 dancers sitting at a table placing bets on how many dances I'd sold. God forbid someone someone beat me or come close because then it would get kind of mean spirited -- they would totally fawn over the other dancer and make it completely obvious they had been waiting a long time for me to fail. I was so uncomfortable that I also started counting my tips in the bathroom stall at the end of the night, but even then I was told that they'd peek in under the door!
In addition to this, I had to be the nicest person in the world because everyone was looking for any excuse to turn on me. Whenever I slacked on my schmoozing someone would try to cut my throat (I was always able to turn it back around because they were pretty inept.. I earned the nickname "Diamond Throat" once). Since cutting my throat didn't really work they turned to weird accusations. I was flat out accused of stealing funny money, other times they would accuse me of participating in schemes where I would buy funny money from other dancers to pretend it was my own. They would bring management and staff into the gossip too! Their logic was that it was impossible to sell more than 20 $25 dances in a 6 hour shift, much less 25+...
I can't overstate how relieved I am to work in big clubs where I'm a nobody now!
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I feel like I was so young and naive when I made this thread. lol. Now I've worked in a big club and it was so bad I'm going to stick with dives forever! Not bad money-wise, but pervert-wise. I was a silly inexperienced starlily for not even thinking about that being a problem.
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In addition to this, I had to be the nicest person in the world because everyone was looking for any excuse to turn on me.
Yes! I'm really glad you posted all that because when I was the top earner of, oh, maybe 20 ratchet bitches, they would look for ANYTHING to ruin me. All I ever did was keep to myself to try and stay out of trouble, but it did not work. I always just stayed quiet and ignored them while they'd be screaming at me and throwing things, saying I was taking food out of their childrens' mouths and making idiotic threats. I never said a word in retaliation but I'd be fine with it now if I learned one or all of them died.