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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
So what will the deal be for girls who travel out for the weekends?
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
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They are making us work at least 30 hours a week
That actually might be good news, since it means that by next January 1st the club will be required to provide you with health insurance coverage ( or get fined $3000 per employee by the IRS if they don't ) ... because 30 hours a week qualifies you as a 'full time' employee under ObamaCare. You need to find out whether the club will be offering you health insurance coverage options directly, or 'subsidizing' your Public Health Insurance Exchange premiums ( via the $3000 fine ), since the state's Public Health Insurance Exchange signups start this coming October.
Same should go for unemployment and disability insurance coverage starting immediately.
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
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fionatulip
So what will the deal be for girls who travel out for the weekends?
That is what I am wondering too!
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I heard that in the meeting the girls were told they have to work at least 30 hours a week. They will still have a house fee that is now called a "locker room fee". Im curious a to what kind of insurance they are offering. Also, if they are employees do they get sick days, workers comp if they get injured? It seems like that would happen often. I did not attend them meeting but wish I had. I do know a lot of the girls are going to other clubs now because they are unhappy with the changes. The club I work at was swapped with girls this last weekend. Hopefully more details will emerge as this could be great, or horrible for the girls working there
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
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i wonder why there is not a part time option as well? Many restaurants hire part time employees, also how many hours is each shift? I am on the morning shift, but I have not been there in a while. This will make it very difficult for the girls that drive in on the weekends to work.
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This is kind of disappointing, I've always wanted to check out the Vegas scene someday and try out at the Rhino and other clubs, if just for a short period. I wonder how they will work it out for part timers.
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
Some of you complain that you're not walking around naked for $7.25 but the truth is, most dancers nowadays walk around naked for NO MONEY for HOURS. This is a blessing for the lazy dancers.
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
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JoJoX
Some of you complain that you're not walking around naked for $7.25 but the truth is, most dancers nowadays walk around naked for NO MONEY for HOURS. This is a blessing for the lazy dancers.
yes ,especially this year in vegas............(: It has been kind of bad....
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
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truth is, most dancers nowadays walk around naked for NO MONEY for HOURS. This is a blessing for the lazy dancers.
Actually, as 'employee' dancers, just showing up guarantees payment of a $2.13 per hour 'tipped employee' minimum wage ... which assumes that the dancer will also earn ( and report ) another $5.12 per hour in tips. It remains to be seen what happens if some dancers do NOT average $5.12 per hour in tip earnings ... some businesses deal with this by collecting tip earnings from ALL employees, and dividing the total tip earnings equally between all employees, to assure that the average tip earnings will always exceed $5.12 per hour. However, this also potentially means that a popular dancer earning $20 per hour in tips and a lazy dancer earning zero will both actually receive perhaps $10 per hour in shared tips.
As 'full time' employees, unemployment insurance and worker's comp coverage for dancers is mandatory. As 'full time' employees, the club is obligated under ObamaCare to either provide health insurance coverage for dancers, or to pay a $3000 per dancer IRS penalty which in turn may be used to subsidize the cost of premiums for the dancers purchasing Public Exchange health insurance coverage which becomes available this coming October. This is a good thing either way, since independent contractor dancers as well as employee dancers will be subject to their own IRS penalty if they do not purchase health insurance after January 2014.
Another good thing is that, as opposed to the 15.3% social security tax rate which must be paid by independent contractor dancers, 'employee' dancers only pay 7.65% ( with the other 7.65% having to be paid by the 'employer' club ). Income tax rates are the same for both employee and independent contractors, but allowable deductions are different. For example, as 'employees', rental fees that will replace house / stage fees are arguably NOT tax deductible. Allowable IRS 'Employee business expenses' are far more limited than general business expenses which can be claimed by independent contractor business operators. As a result, the actual cost of these rental fees in pre-tax terms may be 15-25% higher than the amount charged by the club, since the dancer must first pay social security tax and income tax on money she has earned, and THEN pay the rental fee with the after-tax dollars left after taxes have already been paid. This would not be the case if the rental fee was deductible as a business expense, thus subtracting from pre-tax income and in turn lowering the total amount of taxes due.
I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why SR is mandating only 30 hour plus 'full time' employees. My guess is that they want to avoid future class action lawsuits by both part time and independent contractor dancers, based on the existence of federal law which limits the ability of full time employees to bring suit against their employer. There is also a probable element of wanting to strictly control the number of dancers being allowed to work on particular days / shifts. Precedent also exists for employers to subject full time employees to drug tests etc.
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
Is it ALL rhino clubs everywhere? or just in Vegas & in Ca?
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nope theres always gonna be off the grid clubs in small towns
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
So then the rhino in Santa Barbara isn't one of them requiring dancers to be "employees"? I wanted to work at one that didn't require you to fill out 1099's
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As far as I am aware, ALL SR clubs that treat dancers as independent contractor businesses issue 1099's already. The change to 'employee' dancers will change the 1099's to W2's.
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oh ok , thanks good to know :)
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
The Rhino clubs I have worked at do not issue 1099s for their independent contractors. In fact, there's essentially no paper trail that you even ever worked in any of them except for them having a copy of your ID on file.
I danced at one Rhino-affiliated club that had an employee option for the contract. It paid an hourly wage (forget what it was though) but mandated a bunch of ridiculous shit, like dance sale minimums (I think around 7 $20 dances per shift), end-of-shift tip reporting as required by the IRS, mandatory being on call for 2 days a month, and filling in for employee duties like waitressing or CLEANING the club. And, of course, clocking in for scheduled shifts and such.
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
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The Rhino clubs I have worked at do not issue 1099s for their independent contractors. In fact, there's essentially no paper trail that you even ever worked in any of them except for them having a copy of your ID on file.
I certainly can't dispute this possibility ... especially in the past. However, between the new ObamaCare 1099 mandates which took effect this year, and tax consequences of customer credit card charge paper trails resulting in the customer credit card money now being traceable either as taxable income to the club, or as taxable income to the dancer ( via club issuance of a 1099 showing the customer money being paid out again to the dancer ), the odds of this still being the case is questionable. And, unfortunately, thanks to all of the recent 'public' attention ( = probable IRS attention ) attracted by SR lawsuits, combined with the fact that SR is a 'major' corporation, the real 'acid test' may boil down to a surprise 1099 showing up in SR independent contractor mailboxes next February !
Not wanting to go off topic, but new developments such as the ObamaCare 1099 mandate for all US businesses that pay out more than $600 per year to a given independent contractor, increased customer credit card money traceability etc., increased verification mandates that 'workers' be US citizens / green card holders etc. thus clubs having records of dancers' real names, addresses, social security numbers etc., are not unique to SR. Again I'm not trying to cause undue concern, but as was the case for camgirls and certain major webcam hosts, dancers continuing to make the assumption that a 'major' US corporation is going to ( continue to ) ignore legal mandates regarding the issuance of 1099's to dancers is, IMHO, likely to be met with disappointment. And it is an absolute certainty that SR Las Vegas 'employee' dancers are going to receive W2's.
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
Melonie, they do that in all the major NYC clubs now (issuing 1099s)
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^^^ yes, it's part of the ObamaCare law. Initial mandate to start issuing 1099's was supposed to take effect last year, but implementation was postponed for a year. However, no additional postponements have come from Washington this year ( and they aren't likely to ). Thus any club that is part of a 'major' corporation / has stockholders etc. has no choice but to issue 1099's to anybody who is paid $600 or more during 2013. While privately owned / single clubs are bound by the same law, in the real world they face far less accountant / IRS scrutiny than a 'major' corporation / publicly owned company with stockholders does.
Also, technically speaking, independent contractor dancers are now required by the same law to issue their own 1099's to DJ's, bouncers, house moms etc. if total payments exceed $600 during 2013. Converting to 'employee' dancers also gets rid of this requirement.
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
So, DJ/Housemom/Manager/ etc isn't a business expense anymore?
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^^^ technically speaking, for independent contractor dancers, if you make out a 1099 form listing the total 2013 payments made to the DJ/Housemom/Manager etc., using their real names, real addresses and real SS#'s, and send a copy to them as well as to the IRS next February, THEN you can still claim these expenses as a 100% legal business expense tax deduction. But, technically speaking, 2013 payments made to a DJ/Housemom/Manager etc. without a 1099 form being issued will, for IRS purposes, be considered to be 'voluntary gratuities' which are NOT tax deductible.
Undoubtedly some dancers will continue to 'net out' payments to a DJ/Housmom/Manager etc. by simply subtracting these amounts before 'counting' actual earnings for the night. However, this might conflict with club issued 1099's if the 1099 amount exceeds the 'netted out' amount.
Also, for 'employee' dancers, it is illegal for the 'employer' club to force 'employees' to make payments to a DJ/Housemom/Manager. Thus any such payments must be considered to be 'voluntary gratuities' which are NOT tax deductible. And obviously there is no way to 'net out' such payments when the amount of income reported via 'employee' dancer paychecks ( upon which taxes will be leveed ) does not reflect such payments.
At least that's how the 1099 changes under new ObamaCare law reads ...
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Re: Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
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What my accountant does is adds up how many days I've worked which equals out to how many times I paid each (with receipts as a backup) and then put it in as a buisness related deduction. Under oBamacare this will no longer be allowed unless I give each person a 1099 is what you're saying?
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^^^ yes ... if you are an independent contractor dancer, and also if the DJ / Housmom / Bouncers are independent contractors as well, then your independent contractor business can issue 1099's for payments made to their independent contractor businesses - and thus claim said payments as a business expense tax deduction.
BUT ...
Since it is illegal for an employer club to require an EMPLOYEE dancer to make mandatory payments to a DJ / Housemom / Bouncer, by definition any such payments made by employee dancers to a DJ / Housemom / Bouncer are 'voluntary gratuities' thus not tax deductible. Similar situation if the DJ / Housemom / Bouncers are club employees - by definition any such payments made by either independent contractor or employee dancers to employee DJ / Housemom / Bouncers are 'voluntary gratuities' thus not tax deductible.
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What kind of expenses can we not write off due to being a employee?
It's simpler to look at what an employee dancer CAN write off ... from the IRS
(snip)If you itemize deductions and are an employee, you may be able to deduct certain work-related expenses. The IRS has put together the following facts to help you determine which expenses may be deducted as an employee business expense.
Expenses that qualify for an itemized deduction include:
•Business travel away from home
•Business use of car
•Business meals and entertainment
•Travel
•Use of your home
•Education
•Supplies
•Tools
•Miscellaneous expenses (snip)
Note that the business travel / use of car etc. do not apply to the situation of everyday commuting between home and a single club. these would only apply if your 'employer' club sent you out of town to work at a different club belonging to the same chain.
Note that about the only dancer items otherwise meeting these requirements are dancer outfits, dancer shoes, theatrical makeup etc.
Not also that these employee business expense tax deductions must generally be taken as itemized PERSONAL deductions on form 1040 Schedule A ... meaning that to claim them at all you must give up the 'standard deduction' and list itemized deductions instead. Thus for dancers who do not own a mortgaged home, or do not otherwise have a significant amount of personal deductions, itemizing deductions in order to claim employee business expenses ( versus not itemizing and claiming the 'standard deduction' ) may actually cost them more in additional tax liability than the employee business expense tax deductions 'saved' them. The 2013 'standard deduction' is worth $6,100. So absent having large amounts of mortgage interest, or student loan interest to deduct, it's doubtful that any employee dancer would be spending $6,100 in a single year on costumes, shoes etc. to make giving up the 'standard deduction' worthwhile.
And to make matters worse, again from the IRS ...
(snip) your itemized deductions, including your eligible business expenses, need to be greater than your standard deduction.
If they are, then you can itemize and maybe save some taxes.
Also, for your employee business expenses to be itemized on schedule A, they have to be greater than 2% of your adjusted gross income or AGI."(snip)
... itemized employee business expense deductions are now subject to a 2% of AGI exclusion rule ... meaning that high earning dancers may still not be able to claim employee business expense tax deductions even if they also have home mortgage interest, student loan interest, and other personal deductions which exceed the $6.100 'standard deduction'.
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That's going to be such a pain in the ass to issue 1099's to all the IC's I "contracted" throughout the year. I imagine my accountant could take care of that but it would cost me?