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6 Reasons Men are Opting Out of Marriage, Education, and Work !
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LOL, I opted out of marriage when my ex wife moved out after 27 years....
I'd like to know what all of these bums who are "opting out" of working are doing. Joining a rock band and getting a stripper girlfriend maybe?
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I am not seeing any good reason for opting out of education or work.
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Exactly. There seem to be no shortage of men latching on to their increasingly likely to be college-educated and career-bound girlfriends. Also, they may not be getting married but they sure as hell haven't slowed down knocking women up! As women become more highly educated and integrated into the workforce, men seem all the more ready to impregnate them and insist that it happen without marriage as part of the agreement. The video was right, they know statistically, it won't work out in their favor if/when the relationship ends so the loophole is now get a woman pregnant, get kids out of the deal, and scram before you get too bored of having to be accountable for all of the little people that have now been created. My guess is they're "opting out" of work, not because they're soooo under-appreciated but because legitimate work creates an income that is traceable and can be garnished, in the event of a divorce or the obligation to pay child support. The only loophole is to stay out of marriage and work less to make less and not have to pay out as much.
This video is ridiculous. I'd look harder into who exactly is behind producing this crap piece of propaganda but I give zero fucks about the plight of those poor, first-world men out there being burdened by the duties of ya know... MANHOOD.
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vivianbear
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Exactly. There seem to be no shortage of men latching on to their increasingly likely to be college-educated and career-bound girlfriends. Also, they may not be getting married but they sure as hell haven't slowed down knocking women up! As women become more highly educated and integrated into the workforce, men seem all the more ready to impregnate them and insist that it happen without marriage as part of the agreement. The video was right, they know statistically, it won't work out in their favor if/when the relationship ends so the loophole is now get a woman pregnant, get kids out of the deal, and scram before you get too bored of having to be accountable for all of the little people that have now been created. My guess is they're "opting out" of work, not because they're soooo under-appreciated but because legitimate work creates an income that is traceable and can be garnished, in the event of a divorce or the obligation to pay child support. The only loophole is to stay out of marriage and work less to make less and not have to pay out as much.
This video is ridiculous. I'd look harder into who exactly is behind producing this crap piece of propaganda but I give zero fucks about the plight of those poor, first-world men out there being burdened by the duties of ya know... MANHOOD.
I for one am sick of these losers who are getting women pregnant and not marrying them. I'm not saying that they should be married or whatever but rather that these types of men often abandon the woman then she ends up on assistance and we all pay. I wish these men wouldn't have kids at all. I also wish women would avoid these losers.
I do know a lot of men who don't want marriage because of the laws and fear of divorce. Many do end up married but in a way I do get their fears. I would be afraid of marrying and losing what I built up.
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Melonie
I just watched this video and I think that some of this is partially true, at least with some of the younger men in my generation. Some of the male friends that I've known that are my age have also expressed their desire to not get married "because it's a scam", although they wouldn't mind living with a woman and having children with her. Now I'm not saying that all men are like this, but quite frankly if the roles in the video were reversed, that if women where the ones to who had some of those social pressures mentioned, I may opt out of those things too. And I would tread very carefully if I were to choose to marry someone.
I don't want to have my future kids taken away from me and only see them certain days of the week/month/year. I don't want to end up going to jail if I couldn't make a child support payment for some reason, even though I really love my children. And yes...the job thing is interesting. If I really wanted to find my most desired job in the field I got trained in, I would have to move to a completely different part of the country and I cannot right now, since I have family obligations where I am at the moment. I would also have to leave behind my future spouse.
And as for the media portraying married men as buffoons and bumbling idiots, I did notice this. For example:
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...er_Griffin.png
As much as I like those shows, those two are pretty dim. There are probably more, but I can't think of anyone else right now.
It reminds me of the saying "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"
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agreed these men are slime in many cases.
but....it takes 2 to tango
you let him in without a wrapper, the end result is both of your choice
do that without a ring -actually 2- and a plan...um, duh
'nobody plans to fail...they fail to plan
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Kellydancer
I for one am sick of these losers who are getting women pregnant and not marrying them. I'm not saying that they should be married or whatever but rather that these types of men often abandon the woman then she ends up on assistance and we all pay. I wish these men wouldn't have kids at all. I also wish women would avoid these losers.
I do know a lot of men who don't want marriage because of the laws and fear of divorce. Many do end up married but in a way I do get their fears. I would be afraid of marrying and losing what I built up.
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safado
I am not seeing any good reason for opting out of education or work.
Marriage I can understand but education or work....thats not good.
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So a large head ripping through a woman's vagina doesn't entitle her to anything?? Geeze. Wow supporting your children sucks .lol
What I got from that video is
1. Dont have unprotected sex
2. Don't get knocked up
3. Don't cohabitate because why buy the milk if you're getting the cow for free
The video is true actually. I have to agree with everything up to the child support thing. Even if he's not married he's still going to have to pay. So I guess he should be wrapping things up. Then again it seems women are "buying" birth control instead of making it his financial responsibility. Since the burden falls on her shoulders in either case I guess spending $60 a month on shots is less than $300-$500 for an abortion.
Funny none of these costs of prevention seems to go to the person shooting out deadly tadpoles.
It's funny the other day my mother overheard a few guys talking about "this bitch + child support+.. They got quiet out of respect for her but she said " don't mind me remember you all seem to be into bareback dreams when obviously it's a nightmare". "Try putting a hood on next time and you will not have to bitch about the "bitch". "They humbly agreed:)
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Seatortuga
Men will still owe the woman child support even if he has not married her, so that plan it out fellas
oh yeah child support is a must, he must be a father. Doesnt have to be a husband if it dont work out but he owes it to his kid(s) to be there for them.
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pinups4
agreed these men are slime in many cases.
but....it takes 2 to tango
you let him in without a wrapper, the end result is both of your choice
do that without a ring -actually 2- and a plan...um, duh
'nobody plans to fail...they fail to plan
The sad thing is these are the people having kids. The more educated people are either not having kids (or getting married) or if they have kids are having them later and not many. The morons are the ones having kid after kid. I will never understand the logic these women have when they say "hey I'll have unprotected sex". I think some of them think he will stick around and marry her and this often isn't the case.
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I am opting out of opting out.:)
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cherryblossomsinspring
So a large head ripping through a woman's vagina doesn't entitle her to anything?? Geeze. Wow supporting your children sucks .lol
What I got from that video is
1. Dont have unprotected sex
2. Don't get knocked up
3. Don't cohabitate because why buy the milk if you're getting the cow for free
The video is true actually. I have to agree with everything up to the child support thing. Even if he's not married he's still going to have to pay. So I guess he should be wrapping things up. Then again it seems women are "buying" birth control instead of making it his financial responsibility. Since the burden falls on her shoulders in either case I guess spending $60 a month on shots is less than $300-$500 for an abortion.
Funny none of these costs of prevention seems to go to the person shooting out deadly tadpoles.
It's funny the other day my mother overheard a few guys talking about "this bitch + child support+.. They got quiet out of respect for her but she said " don't mind me remember you all seem to be into bareback dreams when obviously it's a nightmare". "Try putting a hood on next time and you will not have to bitch about the "bitch". "They humbly agreed:)
When I dated a few dads all of them were angry about the whole child support/child custody issue (not to mention alimony which one was paying). I had to remind one of them that he just had to have sex with the woman (they weren't married)because she was so hot (his words)so now he's paying the price. He believed her when she said she was on the pill. I guarantee if more men were pickier with the women they dated things would change. My personal experience is every single man I ever dated who had a kid and that kid has a living mother all resented the ex. Another of these guys was paying child support yet didn't get to see the kid and he was livid (and he should have been).
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^ No I don't think "if they were pickier". It's not about men not being picky it comes down to protection. Put a hood on + pull out= problems solved. Condoms are cheaper than any other birth control method with the acception of masturbation. Seriously what guy walks around complaing about how he got someone pregnant and has to pay for what came out of his dick? It's no one's fault but his own.
Again that example is of a man that wanted to leave all the responsibility of HIS ORGASM on a woman's shoulders. Pathetic!
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By pickier I mean not wanting to sleep with everyone woman they meet. If people in general were pickier about who they slept with this would be a lesser problem. Yes protection is important but no form is 100%.
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Kellydancer
By pickier I mean not wanting to sleep with everyone woman they meet. If people in general were pickier about who they slept with this would be a lesser problem. Yes protection is important but no form is 100%.
I agree for the most part, then remembered how I haven't always been very picky with my sexual partners, but I have never gotten pregnant in the 11+ years that I've been having sex (and I've had plenty of it). I'm extremely paranoid about protection and it pays off. I never want to have children so I'd just get an abortion anyway, but still. I don't get how so many people can be like "oops I got pregnant".
After watching a couple of documentaries (and of course... teen mom lol) and seeing how many girls are confused about birth control, I sort of get it. I don't know though, I don't remember getting extra information, just the same everyone else got in school and from their mom, I guess. But there's a lot of misinformation going around. A sister of one of my ex boyfriends once came to me and said "I forgot to take my pill, can I have sex?" and we checked in what week she forgot it, I advised her to NOT have sex, like the pill booklet said. A while later she storms into my room, crying and screaming the doctor just called her to say she's pregnant. I was like "but didn't I tell you this could happen??" and she said "I know but my friend said 'if you've been taking bc for so long you're immune'"...................................
Then again, no matter how much you try to educate people, many of them are still going to be careless.
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^ That is an example of " I know it says this on the booklet but I want to blame someone when shit goes wrong". It said it on the booklet, you told her not to have sex and she asked 1 more person just so she could fuck with a clear consious. People do it to themselves because well they want an excuse to blame it on something else. She knew better and even so she could have just to be safe gotten a condom which is pretty darn cheap. So I have no sympathy for people that go out of their way to "just see". I mean when does someoen look at the directions on medication and say " nah not going to happen to me??" pfft!! Sure maybe bloody stools or some other weird side effect but umm pregnancy is sort of the obvious thing you're trying to avoid right??
I had all the same information too plus a mother that scared me with stories of eating something delicious and seeing come back up with force only moments later. So I was super scared of getting pregnant yet other friends were just like oops I did it again. Plus it wasn't like they were screwing a multimillionaire either. It was the typical -- lives at home with parents, can't seem to afford his cheap car note because he's spending it on weed , coke or booze. Yawn. What made it even worse was the fact that the they weren't even getting off.
So you get pregnant and no orgasm to at least say " well it was good but..." .
The levels to which women will go to make men happy is astonishing. It's almost frightening.
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Renton
I agree for the most part, then remembered how I haven't always been very picky with my sexual partners, but I have never gotten pregnant in the 11+ years that I've been having sex (and I've had plenty of it). I'm extremely paranoid about protection and it pays off. I never want to have children so I'd just get an abortion anyway, but still. I don't get how so many people can be like "oops I got pregnant".
After watching a couple of documentaries (and of course... teen mom lol) and seeing how many girls are confused about birth control, I sort of get it. I don't know though, I don't remember getting extra information, just the same everyone else got in school and from their mom, I guess. But there's a lot of misinformation going around. A sister of one of my ex boyfriends once came to me and said "I forgot to take my pill, can I have sex?" and we checked in what week she forgot it, I advised her to NOT have sex, like the pill booklet said. A while later she storms into my room, crying and screaming the doctor just called her to say she's pregnant. I was like "but didn't I tell you this could happen??" and she said "I know but my friend said 'if you've been taking bc for so long you're immune'"...................................
Then again, no matter how much you try to educate people, many of them are still going to be careless.
I haven't always been picky either, but always knew that I would use two forms of birth control because I was paranoid. I don't understand people not getting how to use birth control, don't they teach them in sex ed? When I was a teen everyone I knew used condoms or pills or were not having sex. I would think it would be easy today with the internet and all of that. My parents too scared me and I knew if I had gotten pregnant they would have been devastated.
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cherryblossomsinspring
^ That is an example of " I know it says this on the booklet but I want to blame someone when shit goes wrong". It said it on the booklet, you told her not to have sex and she asked 1 more person just so she could fuck with a clear consious. People do it to themselves because well they want an excuse to blame it on something else. She knew better and even so she could have just to be safe gotten a condom which is pretty darn cheap. So I have no sympathy for people that go out of their way to "just see". I mean when does someoen look at the directions on medication and say " nah not going to happen to me??" pfft!! Sure maybe bloody stools or some other weird side effect but umm pregnancy is sort of the obvious thing you're trying to avoid right??
I had all the same information too plus a mother that scared me with stories of eating something delicious and seeing come back up with force only moments later. So I was super scared of getting pregnant yet other friends were just like oops I did it again. Plus it wasn't like they were screwing a multimillionaire either. It was the typical -- lives at home with parents, can't seem to afford his cheap car note because he's spending it on weed , coke or booze. Yawn. What made it even worse was the fact that the they weren't even getting off.
So you get pregnant and no orgasm to at least say " well it was good but..." .
The levels to which women will go to make men happy is astonishing. It's almost frightening.
Yeah you're right. She (together with her parents) actually went as far as to blackmail the guy and his parents to get money out of it. She was 15 at the time and he was already 18, they said that if they didn't pay her a couple thousand, they'd go to the police. They paid up. I felt bad for the guy...
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Renton that is such a sad story. I feel for the baby and the boy, not to mention the girl who is probably a pawn in this too.
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I strongly disagree with reason 1 and mostly disagree with reason 2, unless you're stuck in a dead bedroom marriage. Reasons 3, 4, 5, and 6 do seem to have some merit. However, having not read this book, I am confused as to why school, job and marriage are being tied together. Many of men (and women) are single well into their 20's and into the 30's because they are in school for longer periods of time and / or trying to establish themselves financially before getting married and having children. I would also add on reason 5 (freedom), that freedom comes in many more forms than not being locked up for failure to pay child support. Ability to pursue personal interest, travel, move, or change jobs may all be diminished, although the former two may increase in a relationship without children.
None the 6 broad topics / reasons mentioned can be satisfied with a simple explanation, they are all complex, like a relationship...
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Kellydancer
Renton that is such a sad story. I feel for the baby and the boy, not to mention the girl who is probably a pawn in this too.
Well she had an abortion, she wanted to keep it but her parents pressured her to get rid of it. Same way they also pressured her into blackmailing her ex. They actually had/have multiple lawsuits against members of their own family, all over extremely petty things. I really hated those parents ugh, they were awful to me too.
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cherryblossomsinspring
Again that example is of a man that wanted to leave all the responsibility of HIS ORGASM on a woman's shoulders. Pathetic!
Male orgasm is not at all necessary to get a woman pregnant.