Re: how to up my profit....
All of this really depends on the type of club you work in. Is it a high class white collar show girl place, a dive bar, or a mid grade strip club with a mix of wealth?
Engaging guys depends on who they are.
Try asking someone if they want company, when one says yes sit down and ask him how he is doing, what brings him tonight, what did he do today, how was work, etc. The idea here is to gauge who he is, what type of work he does (figure out his salary!), and ultimately locate a point of interest you can connect on. If you find a topic you're both passionate about make sure you stick to it. If you find nothing in common then either ask for a dance or go to someone else.
A girl told me a great unit of measurement called the two song rule, if a customer doesn't buy or offer a drink to you by two songs then get out of there. After you have a drink or an offer for one then wait another 2-3 and ask for a dance.
As for the VIP question I'm unsure. Is it a VIP area to sit in and drink champagne or is it a strictly lap dance room? Most lap dance rooms allow only the chosen dancer as the club will write down what you've made for the night and such. But even if you're new don't let that stop you, ask a floor guy about it.
Pole tricks seem to depend on the club. I work at one with some amazing dancers and they generally get tipped the same amount everyone else does because I work at a club where your money comes from lap dances. IMO poke tricks are neat and attract attention but not worth the physical risk if you aren't compensated very well on stage. Focus more on floor work and hustle if you're new.
Re: how to up my profit....
1. Just go up to the guy, say "Hi my name is Viktoria, would you like some company?" If he says yes, he is probably already interested in a dance, so sit down with him. (If he says no thanks, he might have his eye on somebody else, or he may be waiting for another drink or something, so just say OK hon I'll check back with you a little later. ) Once you're sitting down, ask him his name, where is he from, how was his weekend, etc... just flirty small talk, and keep it focused on him. After a song or two goes by, no matter whether he got you a drink or not, ask him "Would you like a dance?" You don't have to be afraid to ask for a dance or worry about coming off as money hungry. The guys know where they are, they know they are going to get asked for dances. You don't need to know his life story or be his best friend before you ask him for a dance. If he says yes, then great, give him as many dances as you can. If he says no, there is no point of sitting there any longer. Just make up an excuse to leave. "OK babe, well I am gonna go make a round/freshen up, I'll check back with you later." Obviously not every guy is the same but this "formula" has worked well for me over the years and it helped me when I was a newbie because I knew exactly what I was going to say.
2. For the VIP thing, if it is a champagne room style, I would say go ahead and go in if there is a guy in there that doesn't already have a dancer with him and ask if you can keep him company. As a general rule, I would say that if there is a dancer for every guy in the room, if you go in, it could definitely piss off the other dancers in there. All groups of guys are different though, and some want as many girls as possible, and others may be there to hang out with just one or two specific girls. You kind of have to be able to read the energy of the guys which is something you'll pick up as you go along. Don't worry, you're brand new.
3. I can only tell you my own experience with pole tricks. I am not the most talented pole princess around, but I can do some somewhat advanced tricks, and in my experience, pole tricks are fun to do and good to get attention and maybe a few stage tips, but I've never had my night MADE by someone who was impressed by my pole tricks. I have also never heard any girls who think they would have made more money that day if only they had been able to do pole tricks. Your time on stage would be better spent concentrating on flirty sexy looks, and making eye contact with and smiling at the customers.
Re: how to up my profit....
Read Hustle Hut for more tips than you'll know what to do with, both for keeping customers engaged and hustling them into VIP.
Pole tricks are not important outside of stage-only/centric clubs and urban clubs. If girls are your club are regularly getting tipped while doing pole tricks, may not be a bad idea to learn a few. In most clubs, dances/VIP are where the money is though.
Re: how to up my profit....
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missviktoria
So I'm new to dancing( it's been 4 days ) and I have a few money making questions...
for one how on earth do I talk to these guys or what do I say to engage them and keep them engaged?
another thing is at my club I don't believe you have to be chosen to do vip, you just go in there when you see big spenders and idk get in it, my question with that is should I go in even though I'm new?
third thing, does being able to do pole tricks help bring you in more money?
I just walk right up to them and ask if they want huge funbags in their face for X amount of time. I don't really have to say jack shit because it's hard for them to talk with 7llbs of tits muffling my voice. ::)
If you work at a stage oriented club, then yeah learn a couple of pole tricks. Me personally, doing pole tricks when you have huge fake tits is like buying a revolver when you already have a grenade launcher.
Re: how to up my profit....
This may sound off-the-grid a bit, but I never ask if they want company. In my experience, many men translate that saying as "do you want a dance right now," and will deny your company.
I politely sit down, but not too close. I'll just start off with something random and/or funny that happened in my day. Men get asked the same questions over and over and over, but I find that the big spenders recognize this quickly and get bored. In my club, the men with the big money tend to want their brain engaged before they drop the cheddar.
Re: how to up my profit....
This may sound off-the-grid a bit, but I never ask if they want company. In my experience, many men translate that saying as "do you want a dance right now," and will deny your company.
I politely sit down, but not too close. I'll just start off with something random and/or funny that happened in my day. Men get asked the same questions over and over and over, but I find that the big spenders recognize this quickly and get bored. In my club, the men with the big money tend to want their brain engaged before they drop the cheddar.
Re: how to up my profit....
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Originally Posted by
absolutbliss
This may sound off-the-grid a bit, but I never ask if they want company. In my experience, many men translate that saying as "do you want a dance right now," and will deny your company.
I politely sit down, but not too close. I'll just start off with something random and/or funny that happened in my day. Men get asked the same questions over and over and over, but I find that the big spenders recognize this quickly and get bored. In my club, the men with the big money tend to want their brain engaged before they drop the cheddar.
i absolutely agree!! men who would have said no, will say yes after you charm them up a bit, but i don't even ask because at first most of them will say no and you can lose out on a lot of sales. can't even tell you how many times men have had their guards up and wanted to deny even talking to me, but after about 10 min they've gotten dances
Re: how to up my profit....
First of all, knowing how to make conversation is not as important as finding the right customer to talk to. Remember: it's not you, it's them. No matter how charming you are, if a customer has decided he's not going to buy any dances from anyone (some of them are like that) there is nothing you can do to make him get a dance, and you should move on. I always scan the crowd before sitting with someone to see if there's anyone that looks promising. After a certain length of time dancing (it's different for everyone) you will develop $$$radar: "That guy's a no, the guy next to him is a no, next one's a maybe, and the next one looks very promising!" If you look at a customer and you get positive feelings, even if you don't know why exactly, go up to him and introduce yourself!
Most women already have asshole radar from all the assholes they've previously met, so if you can tell a guy is an asshole just by looking at him, don't waste any time on him. Even if he calls you over. Even if he is the only free guy in the club. Assholes will NEVER give you money. Also, if you're on stage and a customer puts a dollar in your thong/garter/cleavage and then tries to pinch your nipple or caress your ass or crotch as he leaves the dollar, don't approach him as he clearly thought that being in contact with your most valuable areas was only worth a dollar. Same for the mouth dollar and crotch dollar guys. Sometimes they will call you over or try to engage you in conversation, which might make you feel like they could be profitable, but those guys that want everything for nothing will just end up trying to convince you to give them your number or go to their party or bang them later. Tell those cheap fuckas that you need to go powder your nose.
Actually, there's a whole thread dedicated to customers not to approach. Read it. I have lost many opportunities by sitting with the wrong guy, and then when I saw the right guy come in another girl was already there to snatch him up.
As far as actually talking to them. I was the most shy, quiet, awkward girl ever when I started dancing. Usually it wasn't a problem because people love to talk about themselves, so I would just look into their eyes like I was paying hardcore attention while they told me about Obamacare or their dog or their trip to the Andes. I guess that's still my approach with the customers that are big talkers. Eventually, they will pause and it will be your turn to say something, and then you can find something from their spiel to ask about. That's the way you seem interested in them without making it feel contrived- you ask them about themselves, but instead of running through that laundry list of typical questions like where are you from and blah blah blah, you build on what they've been talking about already. That way it's like, "Oh, she's really interested in what I'm saying" instead of "She is making small talk with me because it's her job." But don't worry too much about being an ultra smooth talker. Guys will be able to tell you're new, but they really like that in a dancer. They think it's hot that you're innocent and inexperienced.
When you are talking to a customer and you feel like it could go $omewhere, while you're chatting him up/looking him in the eyes/being VERY interested in what he has to say, the thought of how to tie in asking him for a dance should always be in the back of your mind. I usually don't say "Would you like a dance?" I instead say, "You should get a dance!" in a happy excited voice like it's something that has just occurred to me. It leaves a little less room for waffling in some of those indecisive guys' brains.
Pole dance is a very fun, healthy, rewarding, amazing activity! But it won't really make you money.
Re: how to up my profit....
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Originally Posted by
absolutbliss
This may sound off-the-grid a bit, but I never ask if they want company. In my experience, many men translate that saying as "do you want a dance right now," and will deny your company.
I politely sit down, but not too close. I'll just start off with something random and/or funny that happened in my day. Men get asked the same questions over and over and over, but I find that the big spenders recognize this quickly and get bored. In my club, the men with the big money tend to want their brain engaged before they drop the cheddar.
I definitely agree, it can be a bit off putting asking for company. But I also notice when I ask if they want company it tends to weed out men who have no interest in me or have no intention of dances at all. Plus more of the regular club goers tend to understand I only want to sit and chat.
But whatever style works for you! I always feel rude just sitting down next to someone but I'm not that socially outgoing. :-\