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I dont cam so iDK, but is that site a majority white site or black? If its majority black or young thuggish types, then yes I can totally see how being light skinned/dark skinned could make a big difference. But when it comes to white men they are alot less colorstruck. There are a few that only like the mixed or mixed looking girls, but alot of them dig chocolate skin especially the foreign guys. Men who are big into interracial stuff usually like caricatures. Like if a guy is into latinas he wants one thats curvy, feisty, eating tacos, and talking like sofia veraga. if a white guy wants a black girl he wants one that looks black. Ive witnessed firsthand white people fawning over my friend with a big afro. They love her.
On another hand I REALLY wish white women...hell white people in general would stop giving their opinions on the plight of black people. You always sound stupid. Its like a childless woman thats never even been pregnant trying to sit at the table and talk about post partum depression.
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Originally Posted by
SarahTime
Lol trust me I have plenty of common sense... You tell me not to bully someone in the same post you try to insult my common sense? Seriously?
I am not bullying anyone here, from what it looked like she appeared to be put off that no one came running up saying "you're so right, damn all those white people!" when if she had taken the time to make her perspective more clear, she may have gotten a better response and would have been better understood. I am not unfamiliar with dyslexia, it is possible for extreme dyslexic people to still communicate using basic punctuation, if nothing else. This is a grown woman who has lived with dyslexia her entire life, no?
I responded to this thread because it is an interesting perspective and there are many insightful posts here worth reading.
If your sense was so common why couldn't you understand what she was saying? I'm just telling it how it is. If you did not understand what she was saying, you wouldn't have responded and THEN BULLIED (because I see that from you on this forum OFTEN) by insulting HER intelligence by pointing out something (which someone already did) that was obvious to everyone here. You said your piece on the matter earlier in the post, I just thought that pointing out that you couldn't understand her was a bit much. That was insulting. You may not see it that way but I felt you were being a bully and I've seen several posts by you that back up my claim. You can be condescending in some of your posts.
Adult Dyslexia is a very real thing to some people. Just because someone may or may not have had it their whole childhood doesn't mean they have it under control. In fact, many adults kept it a secret because they are embarrassed by it. I happen to have ADD. I had it as a child but I didn't realize it until I was older. I take medicine for it occasionally but that doesn't mean that it's completely cured and that I don't have issues with my ADD.
You have every right to comment in any thread that you like. I never said you couldn't, but you went a bit far in my opinion. Of course we all have them so it's whatever to me.
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But then I forgot, we are only supposed to reply if we are dark skinned and have something to say to reinforce the OP's theory on racism.
I'm not sure why this is directed at me? I'm not the OP and my posts actually went against the OP's theory. I'm also not a dark skinned cammodel.
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vixenluv
On another hand I REALLY wish white women...hell white people in general would stop giving their opinions on the plight of black people. You always sound stupid. Its like a childless woman thats never even been pregnant trying to sit at the table and talk about post partum depression.
Oh wow. This is where I will exit the conversation to avoid being pointed by a mod for what, as a stupid white woman, I would say to this.
You had a really interesting point until it got to that part.
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LMFAO.
Now I bully people a lot and I'm condescending! Oooookay.
Well I'm sorry I can't help it, it's because I'm white.
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SarahTime
LMFAO.
Now I bully people a lot and I'm condescending! Oooookay.
Well I'm sorry I can't help it, it's because I'm white.
Oh, that must be it then. Yep. ;)
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Okay, we can STOP with the "race cards" here. MEN like women. That's it. Every man is different, every woman is different. You can't tell me that ALL white men only like black women with afros and yada yada. If you attract a man "the golden rule anyone?" he's going to like you and pay for your services no matter what you look like.
I disagree that people can't have opinions just because they haven't "lived" through it. AKA "You can never understand how black/white people live because you aren't black/white". That's utter bullshit and we all know it. It's called empathy.
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This is getting a bit annoying ....... She put out a statement about dark vs light skin && several of the ladies gave instances where black girls and bbw were on the placing high & its just kinda frustrating because i guess she wanted everybody to agree and say yeah you're right we're black we don't make money but everyone isnt going to agree-
the model pages show otherwise just work on your craft and don't allow race to be a crutch for why you're not making money and placing high promote yourself get some exposure try out some new makeup different attire get your name out there and make some moneyyyyyy if anything the people disagreeing with you telling you that there indeed are brown/dark girls placing high should give you hope like okay youre right there are some black girls in high slots i can do that too let me push myself instead of getting angry and blowing people off
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SarahTime
Yes however dyslexia doesn't prevent a person from not using all caps and random phrases with no punctuation or any amount of structure.
I'm just saying... She wants people to see her perspective but wtf is she saying?
Sorry Sarah, but it does.I have a bachelors in elementary Education and certified to teach k-6 and ill tell you kids with dyslexia have a learning disorder which cause difficulty in reading and writing ,which includes grammatical errors and punctuation .Its very hard to read their writing.We have to pull them out and give them special treatment for any testing , especially state testing.Some of them are even exempt from state testing. That's how serious it is.Dyslexia is not something that goes away overnight .
I don't think MIMI meant any harm in her post.I just think her wording might have been taking out of context.
Im sorry MIMI some people dont know the seriousness of dyslexia.
Im not saying i have bachelors to say i'm educated in this .I'm just saying i had to work with kids with dyslexia and that's one of the reason im not a teacher cuz its too overwhelming and no matter how hard you work with them their learning disorder prevented them from getting the concept of what i was trying to teach.
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This thread is getting out of control.Its not that serious people.
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kortneykay
*Cringes* I disagree, I see darker skinned SM models on the top rows/front page all the time. I will say this, Caucasian beauty is still a standard in this country (and internationally as well) but I don't think it will be that way forever. Beauty comes in ALL shapes and sizes and this can't forever be ignored.
I agree with jojo. If you work hard, you'll get up there. :) As for the standard, yes, it's true a lot of people are "white washed" and anything resembling, or showing a bit of "European" features tends to be favored in some situations but not all. You have to understand if someone teaches the world to favor a particular person, you're going to see that standard everywhere but don't let it get you down. Black (dark skinned) women can get the same exposure as anyone else.
Preach!!!!! I agree every last word.
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To those who are wondering how SM could rig the site to favor light skin black models over dark skin black models well....SM wouldn't be the one's rigging the site society would. If you put a certain race/skin color on a pedestal then they most likely get favored. So if you have a light skin black model and a dark skin black model customers would generally go for the light model because society has put them on a pedestal to be the most desired. But I don't think that's the case on SM because I just went through a couple of the ebony pages and a majority of the models are light-medium skin. There's not alot of dark skin models on the site. So what I'm saying is that light skin black models are generally going to have "good" placement because they are the majority.
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mimiboo69
It seems to be that Darker camgirls has lower placement the lighter ones I think this so unfair.This is very true,sorry to say almost never see a black cam girls other then the site 2favs Ava and Candi in the top 2 rows of SM there is some other lighter skin girl. Guess that I will never hit top not light and not skinny I am a proud(BBW) and not a pornstar LOL
I don't really consider Candi or Ava black since they don't select black as their ethnicity but anyways.....
I am a dark skin black camgirl on SM (come to think of it I'm probably the same shade as you....kinda bronzey with alot of yellow undertones). Although I see the LS vs DS issue in the media, in our communities, shoot I've even had experiences regarding my skin tone I don't think that there's a light skin/dark skin issue on SM. I understand the issue very well (even have debated about it on other forums). I don't deny that light skin black women get favored. But I however don't believe that the dark skin black models are getting the shit end of placement. Like I said above light skin black models out weigh dark skin black models. So they're obviously going to have "good" placement because there are more of them then dark skin models. But I'm not saying that DS black models don't have/get good placement either. I don't always see DS black models in the first couple of rows every hour (shoot I don't always see LS black models either) but I do see certain DS black models in high placement whenever they're on. I would put initials but I dunna if that's consider outing or not.
I am not skinny, I have a curvy I guess you could say video vixen body and wear braid like 95% of the time (I'm not talking braids with European textured hair. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm just saying that my hair tends to look more like locs. So I'm kinda the farthest from resembling "European" standard/features.) Before SM made all their changes/upgrades I use to be on the front page usually in row 6 or 7. I've even been in the number one spot of the whole site a couple of times. Now I'm usually on page 2 in the 4th-6th row because I haven't kept up with all the upgrades and haven't been sticking to my schedule. Depending on who's on I'm usually in the 1st-4th row of our category.
So honestly I don't think the issue is skin color or you being a bbw (I've seen plenty of bbw's in top placement... black and white by the way). I'm sayin if skin color and weight was the case then I wouldn't have had the placement that I had. I've said this a couple of times (didn't have anything to do with skin color/race at those times) but I really, really, really don't think that its impossible to get to the top few rows of the site. I think that if you want be in top placement you have to work hard to get there.
Whenever I have a problem I try to think of a solution. Have you thought about what you could do to increase your placement? My goal is to increase my per hour earnings. In order to do that I feel that I need to increase my placement. So I plan on upgrading every dammmmmm thing. I am; getting an i7 computer (working towards that as we speak), getting a new webcam, upgrading my internet, promoting the shit out of my cammodels link so that I can get more traffic to my room, and I've started working out to get my body toned up.
Don't focus on skin color because god knows that we (black people/society) and the world in general focuses way too much on that. Instead focus on the things that you can change and improve on.
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Ok. I'm just an insensitive stupid white person who lacks common sense then. I'm also bully frequently, incase you were not aware.
All this talk about Mimi being so misunderstood. No thought given to perhaps y'all misunderstood MY intention. I was trying to suggest to her to be as clear as she can with her replies. As far as I am aware Mimi is not a child. Even with dyslexia she can use punctuation which helps tremendously, I've seen her do it plenty of times!
But no, Sarah's just an insensitive bully. Good to know.
And really, last reply from me, I don't want to ruin what could have been (could still be) an interesting topic. Some of y'all need some thicker skin... My replies were not intended to bully or insult.
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It is hard on a forum when someone does have a disability. I dont like to admit it, I try to use Google help me with my posts. It helps get what Im saying out. I have to write in very small , 3 word sentences for the most for it to make sense. Google is my bff
I am going to read this thread. If I dont catch it when it is start, I have a problem comprehending fast so I will read and respond later.
If this thread is what I think it is about I have my opinions or speculation. I have to start backwards with long threads but for now I can say
BLOVELY is 100% on point , society did this aand we do have to work for it.
Be back soon to give my input :)
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bam and she nailed it :)
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minniesoporno
some of these race threads and caming I don't even answer because they are just ridiculous. I have been caming for 10 years. my skin tone has never been an issue and never will be. when your caming it's about how you conduct yourself in your room and how you treat the chatters that are there, who is to say that the girls in a low placement aren't making a killing of money on the site.
Some of these theories are just plain ridiculous and just take up space on the site. at the end of the day its a matter of what is in your bank account and the proof is in that pudding.
I dont see where I can contribute.
When I do look on sm , there are a good mix of race on the front page, weights, shit they are throwing dudes on the first page now.
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Categories
Ebony126 Live
White Girls 508 Live
Its a numbers game. When we have more , here it shows 4Xs more so of course the higher numbers will dominate
I took a look at the first page, counted 5 black models. The ratio is working out compared to what is online right now.
I think we simply dont have enough "ebony" models. ( I hate that word to describe someone, SM GETS ALL PC with the word ebony and then scroll down to white lol not Caucasian )
now let me check out the black girls only brb
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Attachment 34709this looks fair.... my screen only could capture these rows
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this thread confuses me.
Are we chatting about placement in general, not "searching" ebony but logging in as a customer would?
as a customer I do not search terms, I search from page 1 and on,my personal preference
as a customer and I see where some "ebony" models are placed far apart but the far apart are getting double , doubled up on pages. I see one on pg 2 and 3, one is on pg 1 and 3.
I wonder if that helps models? Im sure it does. double the exposure so to speak
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ya'll is dramatic (not all of ya'll) and this thread is mess and was a mess to begin with, can't even make a joke smh.
for the sake of SW stop this thread cause this is non sense, i think we can agree that THIS ain't gunna get nowhere
and is useless to the new cam girls looking for help ...
again im just saying ...
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Oh WOW, was this necessary?! I am Asian so I can see things from a third person's perspective rather then black versus white but I do find that NOT all but a lot of black folks are very intolerant. You want to be accepted and tolerated for the color of your skin (of which you have no control over) yet you don't extend that same desires onto others. The tone of your post is one of the many examples! You have to give to receive, BB!
That's all.
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vixenluv
On another hand I REALLY wish white women...hell white people in general would stop giving their opinions on the plight of black people. You always sound stupid. Its like a childless woman thats never even been pregnant trying to sit at the table and talk about post partum depression.
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REDDBONE
ya'll is dramatic (not all of ya'll) and this thread is mess and was a mess to begin with, can't even make a joke smh.
for the sake of SW stop this thread cause this is non sense, i think we can agree that THIS ain't gunna get nowhere
and is useless to the new cam girls looking for help ...
again im just saying ...
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How exactly is the topic nonsense? Dark vs Light skin is a very real issue. I don't think the detailed on topic posts in this thread are nonsense to new camgirls. Some new girls might think or feel that their skin color/race may be a factor in how they do. So letting them know that skin color/race doesn't really matter unless they make it matter is important.
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How exactly is the topic nonsense? Dark vs Light skin is a very real issue. I don't think the detailed on topic posts in this thread are nonsense to new camgirls. Some new girls might think or feel that their skin color/race may be a factor in how they do.
The topic is nonsense because the OP said that the sole reason she isn't doing well on Streamate is due to her not having light skin, her not being skinny, and her not being a pornstar. But apparently mostly due to her not having lighter skin. Its just not true though. Then, when everyone comes at her saying this isn't true and giving a million examples proving otherwise, of darker skinned black girls doing well on Streamate.... and often non-skinny, and non-pornstar ones, obviously it proves that the OP's claims that the reason she isn't doing well on Streamate is not due to the fact that she doesn't have lighter skin. But then the OP goes on to only thank the girls who agreed with her that its solely due to her skin tone, so its ~*not her fault*~ that she doesn't have higher placement.
There are plenty of darker skinned girls with high placement. Especially in relation to the # of ebony girls on the site. Ebony girls are not the majority on the site, so why would they be the minority of the top cam girls? lol. And second, why does the OP continually attack white people?? Why doesn't the OP attack asians, latinas, middle easterns, and various other racial groups besides white? White girls are the majority on the site, so of course they will be the majority at the top. That's the way statistics work.
I may get a lot of shit for this, but I swear to god half the time when people think other people are judging them for their skin color or race or whatever, its mostly in their head. Granted, not all of the time, but I swear most of the time it is. Its their insecurity, so its one of the first things they blame instead of accepting the reality that there are other factors that go into things, like personality.
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Blovely
Some new girls might think or feel that their skin color/race may be a factor in how they do. So letting them know that skin color/race doesn't really matter unless they make it matter is important.
I believe the OP has been a cam girl for awhile. Or at least I've seen her all over this board for awhile.
Second, I doubt the OP will actually believe the fact that skin color/race doesn't matter as far as placement goes, considering she flat out only named and thanked the few girls who agreed with her that her darker skin color is landing her worse placement (even though its not really true). And that's why this ~*thread is nonsense*~ and there's no point to it.
Too much confirmation bias. Its such blatant confirmation bias that this entire thread is transparent.
EDIT: Here's a good article on it:
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Ummmmm I was referring to dark vs light skin and camming not so much what the OP maybe saying/doing. I'm aware that the OP isn't new. My post wasn't about or directed towards Mimi... I was responding to Redbone's post hence why I quoted it.
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SarahTime
Oh wow. This is where I will exit the conversation to avoid being pointed by a mod for what, as a stupid white woman, I would say to this.
You had a really interesting point until it got to that part.
I was glad to see you were excusing yourself from the conversation, but I scroll down and youre still here why? I thought you were leaving? Go away and take your guilt trip with you.
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Originally Posted by
kortneykay
Okay, we can STOP with the "race cards" here. MEN like women. That's it. Every man is different, every woman is different. You can't tell me that ALL white men only like black women with afros and yada yada. If you attract a man "the golden rule anyone?" he's going to like you and pay for your services no matter what you look like.
I disagree that people can't have opinions just because they haven't "lived" through it. AKA "You can never understand how black/white people live because you aren't black/white". That's utter bullshit and we all know it. It's called empathy.
oh shut up. read what i said. SOME white men like light skinned black women, some like more ethnic looking black women with dark skin and natural hair. Like I said, if you never experienced racism/colorism then no you dont know how it feels and your thoughts on the topic will be limited to empathy if that. Why is a white person wasting their time telling me that racism is bad? I know. Thanks for the sympathy but Id rather you save the lectures for your racist white brethren. I dont need anyones sympathy. White guilt doesnt do it for me.
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Oh WOW, was this necessary?! I am Asian so I can see things from a third person's perspective rather then black versus white but I do find that NOT all but a lot of black folks are very intolerant. You want to be accepted and tolerated for the color of your skin (of which you have no control over) yet you don't extend that same desires onto others. The tone of your post is one of the many examples! You have to give to receive, BB!
That's all.
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Oh so thats why blacks get treated like crap because we treat other races like crap? LMAO ok girl. Again this is why non blacks need to stop commenting on the african american experience because bs like this gets said. EVERY time a black girl on here says something about racism in the industry, theres a stampede of non blacks that come in saying "ohhh no girl its not because your black, its because your not working hard enough, confidence etc etc" Like get the fuck outta here.
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Did I say ALL blacks? Please reread my post. You are not good enough nor qualified to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't, what they can or can't comment. 'Like get the fuck outta here'??? Oh, that's nice! I'm sure a lot of us non-black girls have been told worst by better, much better!
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Oh so thats why blacks get treated like crap because we treat other races like crap? LMAO ok girl. Again this is why non blacks need to stop commenting on the african american experience because bs like this gets said. EVERY time a black girl on here says something about racism in the industry, theres a stampede of non blacks that come in saying "ohhh no girl its not because your black, its because your not working hard enough, confidence etc etc" Like get the fuck outta here.
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vixen!! wow you made me speechless! Seriously WOW! why do you have so much negativity? Your words like acid! WOW!
And how dare you talk about Kortney like that? When she is a beautiful chocolate skinned lady too???????????????????????
And all she did was being nice and understanding with Mimi?
And what do you mean a white person wouldnt understand the black issues?
What about emphaty huh?
I am white but Ihave a fat ass and no not because I eat junk food 24/7! In the near future I will need serious treatment sessions which include huge doses of hormones to be able to actuall fix that! So yeah people judge me because of something that is not my fault. People judged me because I am from eastern europe! Which is also not my fault and I could never change it no matter how hard I try. Because it is impossible!
After these I still tried to stay positive and I am still a fucking believer that there will be a world one day where judgement will be a huge NONO and noone will have to feel judged based on race, religion, age, built whatever.
My mom used to say that we are all came from a CUNT! And it is harsh it is rude but it is damn true.
And the blood in our veins are RED!
So what if we forget about stupid human jedgements and try to be the person who we supposed to be?
And yeah judge me english is not my native language! Booo for typos.
And GlamourRouge! Thank for that amazing article! <3
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Every single day we all get judged!
I we are not younger than 25 not having double degrees and at least 5 years of work experience well we are useless and only worthy enough to scrub floors at McDonalds! ( Yes in Hungary thats the case)
If we register on an online dating service we all get judged by our picture and the descriprtion we have to write of ourselves which is lets face it not enough to know a person.
We all get judged by the cover! If we r not attractive enough or skinny enough or whatever noone will want us because we dont fit to Hollywood type of ideal look!
BULLSHIT!
In camming fucking Vibe what matters!
I have a big ass a huge belly seriously like I am pregnant, thick thighs big fat flappy arms and ugly hobbit feet which I hate the most.
But I have an erotic vibe that beats the ass of all those flaws!
And I am naturally a giving person and I do give a damn about what the guys want if they come in. And I am generous and pleasing and if I smile it is because I want to smile!
And why can I do that? Because I have a positive attitude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are obsessing about something that you just cannot change you will completely fuck up yourself!
Why cant we just accept who we r?
Damnit! pLadies I love you from the bottom of my heart and I hate to talk like this but come on!
Open those pretty eyes!
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