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Does this sadden anyone else???
So I was browsing other camming site because Im currently working sm and IMLIVE and wanted to add another site to the mix. I go to myfreecams and check out the other models rooms. Guess WHAT I SEE!!!!??? A NEW model giving away pussy, titis and pussy rubs away without on single cent. That was depressing to watch! I had to register as a user and tell her STOP GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE! She put on her clothes so fast, and the dudes were pissed but who cares!? I wish young new models will stop giving up for free hell I charge 3 bucks just to stand up with my clothes on!! I feel like this makes it harder on ALL of us. Why r u camming to earn money but everyone see u for free !!??
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That's the norm on MFC. Nothin new.Sad but true.
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Are you sure she didn't get paid? It's possible if she was a new model, but normally on MFC they get the tokens for their goal and then give a show to everyone right out there in free chat so maybe you didn't see the countdown?
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she might of gotten tokens and it wasnt visible to the chat.
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The same concept is on most sites, but in different forms.
On MGF So many models, desperate "veteran" members, or newbie girls are camming for $1 a min, or camming for an hour for $30 flat, or selling ALL their content for $5 - $10 bucks.
To cam with ME for an hour it would be $180 bucks, and that isn't even a lot compaired to SOME models.charging 6+ a minute.
I HATE when girls have low prices. Other models might be like "low cam or content.priced girls dont effect me baw BA baw"....but it DOES.
It lowers guys' expectations for what they are willing to pay. If the average video on MGF is like 5 bucks, then my videos for 25 SURELY look fucking astronomically more expencive.
If the standards are comfortable for our prices, guys WILL pay it. What, are they going to stop jerking off? No. The prices will just be the standard. The lower prices go, the cheaper models get to compete with each other, and then boom no in is happy basically doing this shit for Pennies.
Girls don't research this shit enough before they start in this "world", and it is truly sad.
To me though, they'll get whats coming to them for being cheap. On tube sites, and other exposing websites, all because they wanted to sell $80 videos for literally $3.25.
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Cognac
So I was browsing other camming site because Im currently working sm and IMLIVE and wanted to add another site to the mix. I go to myfreecams and check out the other models rooms. Guess WHAT I SEE!!!!??? A NEW model giving away pussy, titis and pussy rubs away without on single cent. That was depressing to watch! I had to register as a user and tell her STOP GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE! She put on her clothes so fast, and the dudes were pissed but who cares!? I wish young new models will stop giving up for free hell I charge 3 bucks just to stand up with my clothes on!! I feel like this makes it harder on ALL of us. Why r u camming to earn money but everyone see u for free !!??
I really wish girls would stop giving it all away for free! Your right..it is ruining the camming world. I'm just like you...I charge 5 bucks just to stand up with clothes on too!
You know whats weird...this is the thing I don't get...if a guy just wants to beat it real fast...why not just go to a free tube site and get his rocks off...don't come into my room and ask for me to rip my clothes off so you could beat it really fast...I hardly even get in a conversation with these guys so what the hell is the point of me being live??? Camming has changed ALOTTTT and I believe its cause of these sites like MFC and gold shows or should I say free chat in general with girls just giving it away...
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No one has mentioned yet though that they may just be super-new models and don't know any better. If I only looked at top models on MFC, without coming here for advice, or working on SM first, I would see that it's normal to be naked and playing "for free." Or new models get the impression that men will throw money at them just like the top girls. Babystrippers make mistakes when they first start, and so do new camgirls. It'll only be a matter of time before they get burnt out, or straighten their act.
Or, I mean, One token could be heaven on earth to them. I don't know.
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Well... the conundrum with her technique is that, if she's giving it away for free, MFC deals with that damn camscore. So, that's her problem if she wants to waste all her time and attract cheap guys who will never spend. She'll have the new tag for a little bit, but then, dun dun DUN! She will find herself in a very lonely place called "not the first page" because she didn't get guys to spend in order to improve her scamscore.
They want to charge $1 for a toy show? Fine, that keeps the cheapos out of my room ;)
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Actually the first time I browsed MFC I actually cried. What I saw was just heartbreaking. I didn't even know what a token was. I though 1 token = $1
So when I saw 20 tokens for tits. I though wait is she showing her breasts in free chat for $20? When I found out each token was worth .05 to the model I just was in shock. Then someone told me well you don't have to do that. So I created an acct and made most of my money off of just chatting , dancing, teasing and privates. I got lucky and a whale found me just when I was about to call it quits. Still after that it got dead and I somewhat moved on to other sites.
Camming has changed and I do think because of MFC the standard of camming has gone way down. Before if a guy didn't take you private after the few times he visited your room you blocked him and that block stayed locked in for 6 months. Also anyone without a credit card was talking to you through a privacy screen. He could hear your voice and somewhat make out your body but he couln't see a darn thing.
Now you see banners of " NEVER PAY FOR A CAM MODEL AGAIN" being pushed in anyone's face. So you'll go to a room and see out of 2000 people watching maybe 15 people are tipping and of course several guys are recording to build up a site where they charge a membership so guys can watch shows of the past. Or if it's less 100 people maybe 5 are tipping towards a show. I did great on MFC for a short stint but it was always the same fucking 5 people or 1 MEGA tipper giving it all. After my mega tipper got the axe all of the other guys that didn't have voice because they felt they couldn't out tip him came in with their " fuck me for $3000" in privates and in pms.
Or you had to wait forever just for your goal to be completed yet going all anxiety freak when watching your camscore like a hawk. Hated that rushed feeling like "ok hurry someone tip , I've been here for 1 hour and no tips, hey someone come on now blah!!!".
It's the one site where I felt like I had to actually push people and any guy that talked to me to long I always went off on. Like hello my fucking camscore is dropping shut the fuck up or tip something.
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On cam, and in real life-there will always be cheap whores willing to give it away for free. Yet, there will also always be expensive ladies who expect the moon and the stars, and guys happily give it to them. This is nothing new, it won't go away, it won't change, but yes it's good we got places like SW to educate new girls.
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Some guy said I was to expensive today, So I said ok don't worry you will never have to pay ..BANNED
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tlulu
Well... the conundrum with her technique is that, if she's giving it away for free, MFC deals with that damn camscore. So, that's her problem if she wants to waste all her time and attract cheap guys who will never spend. She'll have the new tag for a little bit, but then, dun dun DUN! She will find herself in a very lonely place called "not the first page" because she didn't get guys to spend in order to improve her scamscore.
They want to charge $1 for a toy show? Fine, that keeps the cheapos out of my room ;)
I'm not on the firstpage and I don't even do twirls for free. :(
I make my goal on MFC 'nearly' everyday. I always have a topic for topless or something but it never gets tips the only money I get off of mfc is from privates shows. even if i wait 3 hours for a show I will get 2 or 3 shows eventually, but my camscores shit and i never got more than 50 viewers. i dont think all the girls not on first page are there becos they r cheap whores who cant get guys to spend cos she shows for free. i cant get them to spend on tips but i can get privates. and yeah i HATE girls who show for free I also hate when i see a girl showing for free and theres only 10 guys viewing, i mean at least if she is doing it for free u'd think more guys would come but they don't so why she bothers i dono.
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I think that with the new girls, a lot of it DOES come from watching "top girls", and seeing that they seem to be giving it away (especially on MFC!), they assume that that is what they should be doing too.
As others have said, it may be that the model has already achieved her goal - maybe even several goals for shows successively!!! - and is now in the mood to just hang out, keep building relationships, wait for the odd private/tip/whatever....and then a new model sees a lot of that, and assumes that is what you do.
Add in all the vultures that prey on inexperienced new girls and go to their rooms to tell them that "you can make loads more if you were naked...". Then they see the top girls who are naked and playing getting showered with tips - and think "ok, douchebag1234 MUST be right" and they get naked and play.
Yes, there are some girls who are intentionally giving it away because they are...well...stupid. Or desperate for a cheap buck. But I truly think that when the "new girl" tag is on there, for the most part, they honestly think that that is what you are "supposed" to do.
And yes. It DOES make me sad. It makes me sad in the same way that it makes me sad to see some brainless 19yr old think that camming is easy money, all fun and games, no downside, lalalala - skip on into the industry, make a bunch in the first week, spend it all under the assumption that every week will be the same....then crash and burn. Drop out, and realize years later that a recorded video of them dildoing their ass is online for the world to see for all time. I love the industry. But it makes me sad to see girls give it away, and it makes me sad to see girls regret it for years because they didn't think it through in the first place.
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It's ManyRoses! I haven't seen you post in awhile. You're great.
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Thanks sweetie! Total threadjack - but I AM around...this is an insanely busy month for me, so I'm kind of awol from the world!
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Are you sure she didn't get paid? It's possible if she was a new model, but normally on MFC they get the tokens for their goal and then give a show to everyone right out there in free chat so maybe you didn't see the countdown?
no she wasnt getting paid when I made the comment she said "yeah guys I need tips" then she put on her top lol then one of the members said can we get on more on good measures. Filthy freeloaders
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^ Yup that Ive seen quite a bit of. Still I've even watch girls scam guys back to back. Girl just takes the tokens doesn't show anything bans the guy and logs in and out. Just watching she was making a killing. What so funny about this is that guys keep going in to tip her.
Actually there are a few members that go to the "new model" tags only. Their purpose is to use scare tactics to get models to do things. Like "i'm reporting you for not getting naked" shit like that. Sure enough the model is scared and confused and starts taking it off for free. I remember I told a model " look I'll tip you if you ban that looser" she was so scared she ignored me and let him continue on. I left and followed that same asshole into another room and bitched him out. When I had logged in I outted his dirty shit in my room then blocked his ass.
I also want to add with all of the free shows and all of the rule breaking MFC was actually the site I made the most on. For me it was the guy that didn't want to follow the group mind set that made my nights time and time again.
My issues were also other members getting upset at what men were tipping for non nude play. That was the worst some guy coming in " she's not doing shit don't tip her". Other members that got turned down for a fuck in real life would sit in the lounge and pm anyone in my room telling them not to tip me. That's how really fucked mfc bromance can be.
What really works on mfc is competition. If someone comes in and doesn't want to spend but wants to talk the best thing is to have a tipper out shine him. That usually creates the comment" Ohh I have to go " lol or that same member will just type faster trying to pull for attention. Evem members that tipped me that were cheap did so because other members weren't tipping as much so they could look bigger in my room wit their small tips. Once someone came along and tipped higher and large amounts they ended up "following" just to keep up.
I remember models telling me well he tipped this model above 3000 tokens in one drop but he will not spend over 300 in my room.. Reason is that he doesn't have to because no one is tipping higher than him. He can look like a king in a lower camscore room on lower but consistent tips. If someone comes in with higher drops then he'll have to up the ante as well which is what usually happens.
Personally I wasn't really a fan of this type of game because what I made was based on one person tipping higher than everyone else and people having to follow his example. Without that one person everyone else would keep drop shitty low token amounts. This placed too much responsibility on the person in my room where I told them tip a nice chunk and lets log the fuck off and play on skype. My camscore went up fast and I was in and out. Now thankfully that guy was a sub but could you imagine if he wasn't? Thats why after he left others popped in to take over and drop high drops but they were much older and much sinister in their desires for what I was not interested in providing. I even had a member that would tip and win my raffles but never collect and I was like ooh please don't turn out to be a fucking creepy loser. Sure enough like clockwork he sends me a message trying to invite me to some " at home sex party". I refused and that's when he never showed up again. Still that pissed me off because all of my regulars were dropping like flies when they realized sex in person would never be on the table.
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I popped in on MFC this year for a day and some guy took me to a long true private. I had made $250 right off the bat. Logged out right after him. So MFC is a tad strange but again it is the site I've made the most on. I just can't log in there consistently because it's way too dead in my room. Plus I don't do the free chat nudity there. I did a panty off a few times but mostly side view only where you couldn't see anything and saw a screen shot of myself on a site somewhere. That was it for me on any nudity in free chat on that site.
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cherryblossomsinspring
Other members that got turned down for a fuck in real life would sit in the lounge and pm anyone in my room telling them not to tip me. That's how really fucked mfc bromance can be.
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cherryblossomsinspring
He can look like a king in a lower camscore room on lower but consistent tips. If someone comes in with higher drops then he'll have to up the ante as well which is what usually happens.
The more I learn about MFC the more bizarrely fascinated I am at how it's this strange ecosystem grown out of male psycho-sexuality. Not to thread-jack, but I remember someone explaining that the whole idea of turning cams on is that it was basically some sort of dick measuring thing–ie the guys were really there to see each other, in a way. (I'm paraphrasing what I recall, sorry if that's not an apt description).
No wonder new models who wander in there without proper info get eaten. Thank god I found SW and signed up for SM first! Even though I think sites like MFC have trained guys to want it for free, it IS possible to make a decent paycheck on SM without showing anything in free. I just have nothing to say to guys who want something for nothing. I've even stopped doing Gold Shows or even responding when asked. Freeloaders are dead to me.
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I REALLY dont get the whole 'turn my cam on' thing.......... i dont see the point. they usualy say "i promise its on my face not my dick" i never turn it on to find out though. but why do they want us to look. do they think we care????
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Members going room to room looking for freebies, threatening to report if we don't "get naked" for them, sitting in the MFC lounge talking shit, trolling to get a reaction....and it goes on and on. This industry taught me to never underestimate the free time people have and what they do with it.
I work two jobs and I go to bed exhausted every night, like many of you, so I just can't relate to having time for any of that crap. It's frustrating.
Regarding the OP, it makes me sad, too. I still dig in my heels and ask for a tip to do anything in free chat. Sometimes I will flash for a repeat customer who is very consistent.
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I've seen that happen on Streamate too and they don't even allow pussy in free chat. So many new performers have no idea what to do. Hell my first night on cam I was scared shitless and I didn't know a soul to ask for help. That's why this forum is so great and helpful. You can come on here and get some advice from performers on all different cam sites. I wish there was a cam performer school or place where they could go couple of days and be trained.
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Yeah, it totally sucks how that happens. :/
I started out on MFC, so I really truly don't know any better as far as how other websites are.
One thing I have noticed though is that it seems to strangely enough less intimidating to non nude girls.
I've always been concerned about going on other websites because they seem to be really straight to the point when it comes to nudity.
I feel like MFC allows a lot of grey areas to happen.
But please! if i'm wrong please let me know. o:
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Thymian
The more I learn about MFC the more bizarrely fascinated I am at how it's this strange ecosystem grown out of male psycho-sexuality. Not to thread-jack, but I remember someone explaining that the whole idea of turning cams on is that it was basically some sort of dick measuring thing–ie the guys were really there to see each other, in a way. (I'm paraphrasing what I recall, sorry if that's not an apt description).
No wonder new models who wander in there without proper info get eaten. Thank god I found SW and signed up for SM first! Even though I think sites like MFC have trained guys to want it for free, it IS possible to make a decent paycheck on SM without showing anything in free. I just have nothing to say to guys who want something for nothing. I've even stopped doing Gold Shows or even responding when asked. Freeloaders are dead to me.
Ohh yes actually I had a sub that I made bother men in my room. It was for my laughter and amusement. I told him to contact guys in my room and if he couldn't get anyone to watch his cam then he would have to tip me. lol Guess what dude had more guys watching him play with his cock than I had in my damn room. I was seriously blow away. Like wait wtf is this?
Many of the guys on that site are not there for the models at all. The are there for the guys.
Even when I went in and created a premium acct some guy was trying to talk to me in there. So I played along like I was "one of the boys" and it's shocking how some will semi-flirt with you.
Then there are the guys that will pm you and ask if you can help them out with starting a group show. I was in a model's room and he said " hey I'll get this one if you get mine". So we went group ( unfortunately her feed crashed) when I pm'd the guy back and said ok dude where to? He's like nah nevermind she already logged out.
Strange this banding together brethren dance they do on the site but it really is it's own little bromance community. Others organize room raids or lie on models that they've been scammed. Then you have promoters sitting in there spamming and end up getting banned. You know visit this model she's the best blah blah. It works though. I tried it for a few models and it does get guys in the room.
I personally never liked the lounge because a lie can be seen as truth just because some guy got shot down for something he had no business even asking. So all in all it can potentially cause problems and camming is hard enough as it is.
Some models have turned drama around to their benefit and have made good money on a bad lie bringing in people.
"Still any guy that came in trying to start drama I just ignored him. Like oh xxx model said. Ohh I don't know who you're talking about. Usually they try and send a link and I would say well I still don't know that person. Also I really don't care. Is there something you wanted from me? "
Usually that left them feeling dumb and I just moved on with my topic until I read " ohh I'll be back later" lol
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cherryblossomsinspring
Ohh yes actually I had a sub that I made bother men in my room. It was for my laughter and amusement. I told him to contact guys in my room and if he couldn't get anyone to watch his cam then he would have to tip me. lol Guess what dude had more guys watching him play with his cock than I had in my damn room. I was seriously blow away. Like wait wtf is this?
Many of the guys on that site are not there for the models at all. The are there for the guys.
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Even when I went in and created a premium acct some guy was trying to talk to me in there. So I played along like I was "one of the boys" and it's shocking how some will semi-flirt with you.
Then there are the guys that will pm you and ask if you can help them out with starting a group show. I was in a model's room and he said " hey I'll get this one if you get mine". So we went group ( unfortunately her feed crashed) when I pm'd the guy back and said ok dude where to? He's like nah nevermind she already logged out.
Strange this banding together brethren dance they do on the site but it really is it's own little bromance community. Others organize room raids or lie on models that they've been scammed. Then you have promoters sitting in there spamming and end up getting banned. You know visit this model she's the best blah blah. It works though. I tried it for a few models and it does get guys in the room.
I personally never liked the lounge because a lie can be seen as truth just because some guy got shot down for something he had no business even asking. So all in all it can potentially cause problems and camming is hard enough as it is.
Some models have turned drama around to their benefit and have made good money on a bad lie bringing in people.
"Still any guy that came in trying to start drama I just ignored him. Like oh xxx model said. Ohh I don't know who you're talking about. Usually they try and send a link and I would say well I still don't know that person. Also I really don't care. Is there something you wanted from me? "
Usually that left them feeling dumb and I just moved on with my topic until I read " ohh I'll be back later" lol
I haven't browsed MFC that much, but....I didn't know the guys could private message each other. Why do they even have that feature? You'd think they'd want all conversation to be directed at the model. Like, guys chatting woth each other, arguing, gossiping, starting shit against the models etc.
And, hiw does that work for the men seeing each others cameras? That sounds REALLY weird.
So...in a "group" show, is there like, the model on cam with several cams from the men too?
Shit is weird lol.
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I haven't browsed MFC that much, but....I didn't know the guys could private message each other. Why do they even have that feature? You'd think they'd want all conversation to be directed at the model. Like, guys chatting woth each other, arguing, gossiping, starting shit against the models etc.
And, hiw does that work for the men seeing each others cameras? That sounds REALLY weird.
So...in a "group" show, is there like, the model on cam with several cams from the men too?
Shit is weird lol.
Member can have their webcam options set to "models only" or to I believe everyone. So yup guys can go on there and cam with each other. Many guys that are bisexual find MFC as a nice playing ground.
Off to the side is something called " member rooms" Guys or even models create rooms where members can go to play. But yes the do shit talk models in the lounge.
I don't even know why they have that feature but again it seems like many of the sites are giving way too much control over a model's room. This is how room raids start or drama takes off.
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"All the other cheap hos in the world have never stopped a true hustler.." Jade62013...well said.
On that note, I am done debating on this topic. Totally pointless trying to convince girls that what one girl does, has absolutely nothing to do with YOUR money.