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Question about flirt4free
I did a search on google using flirt4free+stripperweb, but I didn't see this covered. I am going to start broadcasting on F4F tonight, so I was watching models' rooms to get a feel for the site. I was surprised by how little interaction there was, between the models and the guys in their rooms. A number of models I watched, completely ignored the guys in their room. Even when guys asked about going private, they didn't respond.
Was that just the particular models I watched? Or are models on that site... supposed to interact as little as possible... until a guy takes them private? I went from room to room, watching several models. I only saw 2-3 that interacted with the guys. Just thought it was odd.
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Many of the girls split cam. Is also possible to put yourself in private mode, so a good number of the girls who show up as doing a private are not really in private. For me that site was a total waste of time.
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Thanks Connylove, makes sense. Was just wondering if it was some part of the hustle I didn't know about.
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Just be nice and great everyone that enters your room,I like F4f I make money on it each time I log in.It may not be a lot everyday but it is something.
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I tried to splitcam on flirt4free and they had a problem that I was not making a ton of prvts ( I was doing shows elsewhere with them still running in the background)I was not even logged in LONG...WHICH why is it their business?? Their response for me was that they spend a lot on us models. LOL. ok. They have become entirely too aggressive for my taste and their commission is not even high! If I want a BOSS and to be micro managed, I will go back to working vanilla.
Mind you flirt4free was the 1st cam site I ever worked years ago, they were different back then........ No sweat off my sack tho lol there are only a million other sites out there.
I can split cam on imlive which they dont bother me at ALL!Their commission also is not high, but running in the background I still get random prvts between other sites. I can work as little or as much as I please, without working freechat beyond their free text (which u can also ignore or encourage custies to take you prvt, its you CHOICE) lol. Everytime I have called their customer service they have been very responsive rather than pointing the finger back at me (which solves NOTHING other than a model bad mouthing you). LOL
Im just being REAL here.
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They talk about dropping performers who arent doing as well as they should be on their forum. With all the performers there are, I think many cam sites in the furture will start dropping performers.
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Well, I dropped MYSELF just by being annoyed with rule.... I guess a ton of girls will get dropped then, because nearly all the girls I know splitcam.There is no way to give ALL sites a TON of attention at once beyond the one you are primarily making money on. There are way too many freeloaders now, so splitcamming is the thing.
For every action there is a reaction......
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Oh I agree. I think they just dropped 60 performers on there. It's every week or two they drop performers. You kinda have to splitcam now, it's like pulling teeth to get somo of these guys to buy shows.
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BellaK
Well, I dropped MYSELF just by being annoyed with rule.... I guess a ton of girls will get dropped then, because nearly all the girls I know splitcam.There is no way to give ALL sites a TON of attention at once beyond the one you are primarily making money on. There are way too many freeloaders now, so splitcamming is the thing.
For every action there is a reaction......
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Yeah, I wish I had of known that before I signed up again, but oh well.lol. Exactly, fortunately the longer we cam the easier it is to weed out the fakes. Some indy work has cut out the free chatting majorly for me as well too tho.
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BellaK
Their response for me was that they spend a lot on us models. LOL. ok.
I just spit up my coffee, so I had to make my first post here :-)
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NikkiKlein
I just spit up my coffee, so I had to make my first post here :-)
I've been signed up and ready to stream on F4F for about 3 weeks. I just cannot bring myself to work for such shit commission. My "talent executive" told me to give them ago and I can splitcam on other sites, but now I'm hearing here they've giving models a hard time if they're not earning and dropping them.
LOL. I'll give them a miss.
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Blondieblue
I did a search on google using flirt4free+stripperweb, but I didn't see this covered. I am going to start broadcasting on F4F tonight, so I was watching models' rooms to get a feel for the site. I was surprised by how little interaction there was, between the models and the guys in their rooms. A number of models I watched, completely ignored the guys in their room. Even when guys asked about going private, they didn't respond.
Was that just the particular models I watched? Or are models on that site... supposed to interact as little as possible... until a guy takes them private? I went from room to room, watching several models. I only saw 2-3 that interacted with the guys. Just thought it was odd.
If models are ignoring members asking for private this would leave me to believe that those members are not actually going to take her private. It's more of a " hey do you want a private??" then they vanish and sit back laughing that she didn't get what she wanted. I've had guys do that on other sites. Get your hopes up and the bail while laughing in guest chat. I haven't worked F4F mainly because the percentage is the lowest in the business. I think it's 26% or something like that.
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depends on your studio. I was only getting 24% which at the time was better than I got on streamate because that studio only paid me 20% then I dropped the studio on Streamate and I'm much happier. I stopped logging into flirt4free because the members were cheap asses that wouldn't go pvt and constantly fake tipping. If they're dropping models they probably dropped me a long time ago lol.
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cherryblossomsinspring
If models are ignoring members asking for private this would leave me to believe that those members are not actually going to take her private. It's more of a " hey do you want a private??" then they vanish and sit back laughing that she didn't get what she wanted. I've had guys do that on other sites. Get your hopes up and the bail while laughing in guest chat. I haven't worked F4F mainly because the percentage is the lowest in the business. I think it's 26% or something like that.
Not necessarily. There's quite a bit of juggling going on if you're working on many sites at the same time. I often do 4, and missing the odd private request is inevitable. I would say that the models seen apparently ignoring private requests were probably using F4F as a backup and not paying too much attention. You're always going to have your favorites where you give more attention. On some sites I'll hardly look until I hear the private sound.
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tropo
I've been signed up and ready to stream on F4F for about 3 weeks. I just cannot bring myself to work for such shit commission. My "talent executive" told me to give them ago and I can splitcam on other sites, but now I'm hearing here they've giving models a hard time if they're not earning and dropping them.
LOL. I'll give them a miss.
You and me both. I've been joined up and ready to go for over a month and obviously sent the same email about how I should give them a go and I can split cam to other sites - and how their customers are high end spenders, so 26.66% of big per minute fees is good money for us.
Somehow I'm not convinced. It was really hilarious to hear about how your commission goes up from 26.66% to a massive 27.0% if you earn more than $1000 for the pay period. I've never heard of anything so ridiculous in my life. When you hit $1000 you'll clear an extra $3.40... like that's going to give anyone incentive to work on the lowest paying site in the business.
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Wait the percentage is 26%? What's their justification for this? Poor traffic with that kind of payout is insane. I was going to try the site out too. But 26%? No way.
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^^ Get it straight from the horse's mouth.
Here's some email explanations from the talent executive:
My name is Luba Urman I am your talent Executive here at flirt4free. Our cam site is very different than any other cam sites out there and our business model is different as well. We charge customers the most on the market between $6-15$ ( you can choose your price) we orient our traffic on VIP/high end spending customers and not some college students who can pay maximum $3 per minute that’s why our percentage %26.6-35 . So, you are actually making more than on any other sites because of the charge rate. Other cam sites charge customers between $1-$3 per minute and pay you %50-%60. But we charge $6-$15 and give you around %31. If you calculate this into dollar amount you are making more with us. Here: 31% out of $6 is $1.86 and 50% out of $3 is only $1.50.
Also, if you are working for another site you don’t have to quit you can simulcast and see where you making more money. I recommend you give us a month and see if flirt is for you.
And another explanation. Note that it is hinted that you can make up to 35%, but no explanation of how that percentage can be achieved:
Here is how pricing and payment work on our site. Each credit is worth $0.10 cents. So, a private show running at 60cpm (credits per minute) is running at $6.00 dollars/minute. You earn a commission from the total gross sales.
Solo models such as yourself are on a sliding scale earning anywhere from 26%-35% depending on the total gross sales in each pay period. The more you gross, the higher your rate. If you make under $1000 dollars in each pay period, you will earn 26.66% of the total gross sales; if you make over $1000 dollars in each pay period, you will earn 27% of the total gross sales; etc.
We payout every 2 weeks, providing you reach the minimum payout of $100 dollars. If you do not reach our minimum payout, it will then be rolled over into the next pay period until you reach the minimum payout.
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^ That explanation is ridiculous. So not only do they charge the customer $15 per min rates but they pay models less than anyone else? Seriously what's the logic in that? Lol and they used $3.00 per min example when the industry standard rate is $3.99-$4.99.
So 1 member takes you private at $15 per min for 30 minutes . He pays $450 yet the model only takes home $ $120? So they they walk away with over $330?? That should be illegal to pay models that shit amount. I've always bitched about SM's 35% but 26.6 is just robbery. In reality they probably wanted to pay 25% but it would have looked too crappy for a site to take 75%.
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^ I work on SM for only 30%, but I do make money.
I don't feel compelled to log onto Flirt4Free to even try it. When I heard they were dropping models (earlier in this thread) my mind was made up.
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is f4f the way it used to be back in 2012? I remember when i used to work on f4f from the studio, there were some crazy rules.... i had a photoshoop riding a chopper and they denied my pictures because the Honda sign showed in them... they didn't even allowed music playing in the background due to copyrights or even wearing clothing that showed a brand. And the most fucked up rule of them all, if you sat online for 3 hours without making any money, they would ban you for the rest of the day.... counting 3 consecutive banned days, and they'd ban your account. Has this changed?
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^^ YIKES!
It sounded bad enough without reading those rules. They're absurd. How do they keep models? Are those rules from the site or your studio rules.
I don't know if it has changed as I'm yet to log on.
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Yes they still ban you for 8 hours after 3 hours of not making money. It's frustrating and funny at the same time: no performer who is there for the money sits on cam to purposely not to take shows, and if they are not getting shows, it's because there are no paying members around
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mia_noxx
is f4f the way it used to be back in 2012? I remember when i used to work on f4f from the studio, there were some crazy rules.... i had a photoshoop riding a chopper and they denied my pictures because the Honda sign showed in them... they didn't even allowed music playing in the background due to copyrights or even wearing clothing that showed a brand. And the most fucked up rule of them all, if you sat online for 3 hours without making any money, they would ban you for the rest of the day.... counting 3 consecutive banned days, and they'd ban your account. Has this changed?
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There are a few good members on this site, who are fickle and mostly loyal to their own pets. The same models make bank every time and only. Kinda like LJ.
Most well known cam performers do not cam that site because they record every single private, thus the site creating themselves a huge library of your shows, that they are actively selling, and you get royalties only when you are actively camming for them. High prices for customers, low earning percentage for you. They give 120 credits worth 3 minutes aprx to every new customer who signs up, so you will see lots of members who spent this but will never re buy again.
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^How do they keep models? They offer less than every other site and have ridiculous rules. Why are they still around?
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Well they do not have many models, and they prefer it to have it that way, only they know why.