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After reading this thread the only thing I can is... - FUCK ME!
Lowest payout %, tons of ridiculous rules, very high demands (e.g. your profile pics, stream quality etc) and on top of all - your private shows are recorded without your consent by the site itself. And all this for... very modest traffic. I started to apply after reading about it on some adultwebcam review site, but I guess it was just sponsored publicity or smth like this.
And I just hate sites that take hosts for dumbasses, and their payout system seems to be a good sign.
If you make under $1000 dollars in each pay period, you will earn 26.66% of the total gross sales; if you make over $1000 dollars in each pay period, you will earn 27% of the total gross sales; etc.
Wtf is "etc"? They cant just explain it plain and simple? And yeah, 0,34% jump - very motivating!
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Plus they have more freeloaders than MFC and the other token sites. They think Free being in the name means free shows.
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wabisophie
After reading this thread the only thing I can is... - FUCK ME!
Lowest payout %, tons of ridiculous rules, very high demands (e.g. your profile pics, stream quality etc) and on top of all - your private shows are recorded without your consent by the site itself. And all this for... very modest traffic. I started to apply after reading about it on some adultwebcam review site, but I guess it was just sponsored publicity or smth like this.
And I just hate sites that take hosts for dumbasses, and their payout system seems to be a good sign.
If you make under $1000 dollars in each pay period, you will earn 26.66% of the total gross sales; if you make over $1000 dollars in each pay period, you will earn 27% of the total gross sales; etc.
Wtf is "etc"? They cant just explain it plain and simple? And yeah, 0,34% jump - very motivating!
Yeah, "WTF" and "Fuck Me" says it all.
It's an insult to our intelligence and and insult to cam models in general. I just hope they tank soon so no one has to submit themselves to this type of humiliation. Sure, there are quite a few bad sites around, but this one takes first prize. It's a mystery they're still in business.
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I would rather have 26.6% of a big amount than 90% of a small one...the only thing that is relevant is how many $/hour...this is the one and only thing I care about...
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^ By the same token, I'd rather spend less time in private making a higher percentage of a bigger amount. Workload is also a major concern if you're working long shifts. I work 12 hours shifts, and on busy nights I can be physically exhausted and sore all over.
The $$ I make per shift are far more important than the $/hour rate... in actual fact the $/hour are not important at all because I'll always have busy and quiet hours on most shifts unless I'm very lucky to be flat out for the whole shift.
Anyway, this is academic. If you think you're going to make 26.66% of a big amount on Flirt4Free, please give it ago and report back.
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Why are so many top SM models going to this site? Did the commissions percentage change?
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I work this site. You can catch some great spenders on here.
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I tweeted a few different girls and some say it is still 26% and others say 35%. From what I have read it is like LJ where you get more as you make more. Not sure how this site could be doing anywhere near SM traffic seeing as there are not that many girls on at a time. They also look like they screen girls...they are all thin and look a certain way. I guess the site owners just pick and choose who gets what percentage. I watched a few cams and the guys there are really fucking rude...even more than usual.
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Yes, percentage is based on income. If you stream without income for 3 hours they cut your stream for 8 hours. They loosened up on the no copyrighted music rule, and probably give offers for the top girls they cant refuse :)
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the shitty music they let you use before made me want to pierce my ear drums :shocking:
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hyori
I tweeted a few different girls and some say it is still 26% and others say 35%. From what I have read it is like LJ where you get more as you make more. Not sure how this site could be doing anywhere near SM traffic seeing as there are not that many girls on at a time. They also look like they screen girls...they are all thin and look a certain way. I guess the site owners just pick and choose who gets what percentage. I watched a few cams and the guys there are really fucking rude...even more than usual.
I'm going to say this as many times as I can... Streamate is not the only cam site out there... as I know you already know so this is not directly toward you specifically :)
But there's not that many girls on at a time on F4F probably because here on stripperweb we are always like "OMGZ FLIRT4FREE SUXXXX!!!! GO TO STREAMATE!!!!" and then we are like.... "wow Streamate seems to be doing kinda sucky lately" and "OMG there are 1700 models online on SM right now"............. and then "hey why are all these SM models suddenly going to F4F I thought it sucked over at F4F"....... You see what I'm saying here? :)
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^^ I personally think the girls are getting offered higher percentages or incentives because they are top models. It's all good. If we spread out the love there will be more to go around. I agree Sarah time!
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The bump in percents applies to the whole studio, so multiple models working together can raise their percent. Studios start with a higher percent anyways, its how we could actually post a higher daily pay percent than a model signing up directly.
Unfortunately, their signup process is probably one of the biggest pains in the ass I've ever seen. It took hubby and I, working together, about 2 hours to feed a single model into the system with relaying paperwork requests and waiting on rejections/approvals/relaying profile info from the model. All that for a crappy general payout, little traffic, and little model interest.
As for recent stuff, they just had a major marketing campaign they were pushing on the Vegas studios. F4F and Realtouch did a partnership and supposedly were putting in for $5 million+ in traffic buys over the next year since last July...and that's about when we dropped them so I'm out of the loop on the latest.
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Yeah, after dming a few other girls on twitter who tried f4f it looks like nothing special. Some are coming back to SM. i think it is just a cycle. The top girls will leave SM, then new girls take their spots. The girls who aren't making money will also leave. Then the equilibrium comes back. Most will be happy. Top girls come back, site gets flooded again with new girls and the cycle starts again.
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I used to work for a studio and they also insisted there was a LOT of fake traffic on this site. The same names would come in every 5 to 20 minutes and ask the same questions verbatim and then again 15 to 20 min later, and again. The studio owner thought that the site was generating bot traffic to make the models and the patrons think that there were more people using the site than there really are.
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Oh that was obvious with the fake traffic, its not for the models, its to play on the herd effect for the customers. A few other sites (can't remember now, LJ maybe?) had this, and the models couldn't see them but the other custies could see guys commenting and tipping.
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SarahTime
I'm going to say this as many times as I can... Streamate is not the only cam site out there... as I know you already know so this is not directly toward you specifically :)
But there's not that many girls on at a time on F4F probably because here on stripperweb we are always like "OMGZ FLIRT4FREE SUXXXX!!!! GO TO STREAMATE!!!!" and then we are like.... "wow Streamate seems to be doing kinda sucky lately" and "OMG there are 1700 models online on SM right now"............. and then "hey why are all these SM models suddenly going to F4F I thought it sucked over at F4F"....... You see what I'm saying here? :)
I love SM when there are more than 1700 models on right now, it is when I BANK!!!! Used to work in strip clubs with 10 okay girls & 3 hot ones, very little money & few customers. Worked at the hottest strip clubs with 100 okay girls & 30 or more super hot ones & BANKED!!! cause there was lots of customers with big money to spend.
Give me a busy site with lots of girls so I can compete for the top, I love it. It is how I have fun. Big fish in a little pond, Nope, I want to be a big fish in an Ocean. :)
f4f is one of the original cam companies on the web, how they think & do biz is STILL the old way cam companies operated. To suspend a girl for 8 hours of not making money in 3 is crazy. So is camming for 3 hours & not making money to me. I would log off in 20 minutes of not making money, always plenty of stuff to do on my to do list.
Melanie called it on here for years. Bandwidth cost money, girls who don't perform & earn get cut. It is OUR JOB to convert guys in free chat to SALES, not to wait & hope they take you private. Melanie for told of all cam companies cutting girls who don't at least earn enough to cover the cost of bandwidth.
If a girl has not made money in 3 hours, she needs to figure out why not & how to make it. Each site has a different feel & hustle to it, got to learn how to adapt or choose a cam site that fits your cam style better.
Split camming is awesome but very few have mastered it the way Sarah has, I bow down to her awesomeness. I can't split cam. I need to concentrate on one cam site at a time to make money, that is when I do best. Laser focus my emoting & hustle.
To me, one site doesn't really suck over another, they all have a bit of a different customer base. I love the differences & the challenge each one have. No such thing as a freeloader, just a guy you haven't yet got to spend money. I get a thrill when converting a guy from freechat into a spender.
Smooches,
Sam
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A lot of the cam companies are reverting back to the old ways. Flirt4Free cuts performers from their sites that they feel aren't working out. If you read their forum, they mention they just cut 90 performers and plan to cut another 90 soon. None of us can fault a site if over time they cut a performer that wasn't doing well on their site. Like you said it's our job to get the customers to pay, that's how cam sites stay in business. I've seen a few cam companies start to put restrictions on who they will hire and more rules into their agreements. I think a lot of sites were losing money by hiring anyone that applied and that oversaturated the sites. I think you will see every cam company going back to cutting girls that don't make enough money or work enough hours. In the end the sites are there to make money.
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Sam38g
I love SM when there are more than 1700 models on right now, it is when I BANK!!!! Used to work in strip clubs with 10 okay girls & 3 hot ones, very little money & few customers. Worked at the hottest strip clubs with 100 okay girls & 30 or more super hot ones & BANKED!!! cause there was lots of customers with big money to spend.
Give me a busy site with lots of girls so I can compete for the top, I love it. It is how I have fun. Big fish in a little pond, Nope, I want to be a big fish in an Ocean. :)
f4f is one of the original cam companies on the web, how they think & do biz is STILL the old way cam companies operated. To suspend a girl for 8 hours of not making money in 3 is crazy. So is camming for 3 hours & not making money to me. I would log off in 20 minutes of not making money, always plenty of stuff to do on my to do list.
Melanie called it on here for years. Bandwidth cost money, girls who don't perform & earn get cut. It is OUR JOB to convert guys in free chat to SALES, not to wait & hope they take you private. Melanie for told of all cam companies cutting girls who don't at least earn enough to cover the cost of bandwidth.
If a girl has not made money in 3 hours, she needs to figure out why not & how to make it. Each site has a different feel & hustle to it, got to learn how to adapt or choose a cam site that fits your cam style better.
Split camming is awesome but very few have mastered it the way Sarah has, I bow down to her awesomeness. I can't split cam. I need to concentrate on one cam site at a time to make money, that is when I do best. Laser focus my emoting & hustle.
To me, one site doesn't really suck over another, they all have a bit of a different customer base. I love the differences & the challenge each one have. No such thing as a freeloader, just a guy you haven't yet got to spend money. I get a thrill when converting a guy from freechat into a spender.
Smooches,
Sam
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My only issue with that is that sites may try to "pre-judge" their applicants based on a very arbitrary opinion of who will make money for them. I've already seen a lot of evidence of this, especially among startups that don't know any better. Even the big sites can have issues if they let some $7/hour tech support monkey they just hired make those kinds of decisions.
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We will see how well F4F does...I know now more than ever that customers choose the models and the site really has no choice but to give the customer the models they want or it will be zero sales. The best sites eg. SM, CB, AW, LJ and MFC have the most variety of models and nobody can try to shove the thin, barbie type silicone mold girls down any customers throats no matter how cheap, or plentiful. Not that there is anything wrong with silicone barbie models...there is a place for them as well. Screening doesn't work, never will. No one is able to predict the success of any model no matter how conventionally attractive she is, if she has the personality of a cardboard box you can bet she won't generate any revenue.
As for taking top models from other sites to lure custies away, that could work but they would need big pockets and a big pool of models, serious SEO and marketing bucks plus incentives and even that won't guarantee success in the long run if they run out of funds, have massive tech glitches etc. Hate to say it but no other site can come close to the breadth of SM. After researching how SM does their SEO I am certain they pretty much have the live cam industry by the balls. I wish someone would do a documentary on how they do the marketing...it is simply jaw dropping, blackhat and whitehat genius.
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@hyori ~ I :heartbeat:heartbeat:heartbeat how you are always trying to figure out what's going on behind the scenes and which way the wind is blowing.
I don't actually have anything constructive to add.
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How do you mean that they pre judge the applicants? Is there a possibility that they just decline an application? For the reason you are too ugly? :O Or that they close inactive accounts? After how long? Because I sometimes don't stream there for months and I'm always able to sign in just fine...(F4F)
Oh well, and yes, IDK if the traffic is really that good on there, because I was in top 10%, sometimes even in top 1%, first row, and I didn't made as much as on SM, where I'm second page...
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There is no way to tell by looks if the performer will do well & be a good earner. F4f is known for & has always preferred the Playboy models & girls of that ilk. In their defense they started out when Playboy ruled the world & was a huge money making machine. Playboy set the standard for female beauty for decades.
The Internet, new porn companies, other cam companies taking risk in filming girls who didn't always fit that Playboy model (GIRLS LIKE ME) Changed the world and it's definition of what is sexy. Now, it truly is a free market & men via how much they spend on a cam site & the different body types, ages and looks determine who makes money in this biz. There are still many in the adult industry who just can't get over that young playboy standard. Honestly, I prefer they don't. Let them fade away into history.
F4f has always & still caters to the affiliates, pays them more, interacts with them more on ynot, gfy & xbiz where they ignore the models to this day. But affiliates dont have the traffic anymore, individual smart hard working girls on social media who built their own brands DO. Which I told you for years would happen.
If f4f is actively pursuing the top girls off of other cam sites, then it is my dream & fortune telling come true. Props to the models who hustled their way to the top of cam sites & being offered more money to switch. Porn is a billion dollar industry & performers make the least instead of the most. Top performers should make the same money as NBA & NFL players with great contracts & benefits to go with it.
Performers who don't put enough hours in or earn enough per hour will get cut, just like try outs for a sports team, not everyone makes it.
Having a bunch of profiles of models who never log on is in a way false advertising to the customers. Cam companies & affiliates need active models that convert to make a profit.
Even though they may not see it this way, we are their partners too. If you are not making them money, not putting in the hours necessary for them to profit then YOU are being a BAD partner, can't be surprised when you get dropped.
The web, companies on the web, people who make money via the web know it is an ever evolving entity, we all have to constantly adapt, change our business model to keep making $$$.
If F4f doesn't want you, move onto a site that does, more than likely f4f also doesn't go after that traffic that would convert for you either. :) All I heard was, no, when I started out in porn, now, even 15 years later, those same companies would love to shoot me. Be smart, create your own demand so you can pick & choose who you want to partner up with in the future.
Sam
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The decisions are from the higher ups. They set the guidelines for what they want in performers and then CS just follows those when looking at applications. Considering the porn industry is usually a looks based industry, its shouldn't be surprising to anyone that looks usually are a deciding factor.
You should be more concerned that Manwin aka MindGeek has been in negotiations to buy out Streamate. If they do they will fire at least half of the performers on there guaranteed since they want the highly attractive, adult star look. People say that look doesn't sell, but the largest cam site in traffic and profit is LJ and they do have a strict appearance and cam requirement. So it clearly does sell and sites go on what the customers demand.
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KatyBoleyn
My only issue with that is that sites may try to "pre-judge" their applicants based on a very arbitrary opinion of who will make money for them. I've already seen a lot of evidence of this, especially among startups that don't know any better. Even the big sites can have issues if they let some $7/hour tech support monkey they just hired make those kinds of decisions.
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I would be more concerned about MindGeek owning/selling all of our content on their tube sites than mass firings.