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Re: The CamModel Directory Thread
I agree the new layout I'm doing so much better with... I make a lot considering I'm always on the top...also consider I do not bring any traffic of my own..and I have a ton of regs on there that see me weekly . The only time I don't make money on there is if I don't log in!
For the paid banner list I have done it and really didn't get much...since I already do good and all the shows were regs anyways..if it's cheap I'll bid just in case you never know who could see you on the top.
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Originally Posted by
bigbootyjudy1
To be honest we do get 75 to 80% so it's only right that we bring some of our own traffic.
This does not compute with me. Sites like Chaturbate, MyFreeCams, Cam4, etc take a much larger percentage because they have to buy traffic, cover chargebacks, and support an enormous streaming infrastructure. Their infrastructure lets you stream anonymously, gives you tipping functions, inbox messaging, subscriber lists, and group chatrooms. Their overhead absolutely dwarfs CMD's overhead, because CMD does not provide a streaming infrastructure. Sending new referrals that we acquired on our own to CMD should not be CMD doing a favor to us. It should be us doing a favor to CMD, because CMD didn't spend any money on acquiring those referrals. In that case CMD is functioning purely as an adult payment processor, so a 25% cut on transaction fees is pretty generous.
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Bristol
This does not compute with me. Sites like Chaturbate, MyFreeCams, Cam4, etc take a much larger percentage because they have to buy traffic, cover chargebacks, and support an enormous streaming infrastructure. Their infrastructure lets you stream anonymously, gives you tipping functions, inbox messaging, subscriber lists, and group chatrooms. Their overhead absolutely dwarfs CMD's overhead, because CMD does not provide a streaming infrastructure. Sending new referrals that we acquired on our own to CMD should not be CMD doing a favor to us. It should be us doing a favor to CMD, because CMD didn't spend any money on acquiring those referrals. In that case CMD is functioning purely as an adult payment processor, so a 25% cut on transaction fees is pretty generous.
I ussually hit 80% pay out.so you get what you give.but dont forget he has to cover charge backs ,he has to pay for cost of running the site and pay himself for time and energy of running the site.I feel like 75% to 80% is very freaking generous.He wouldnt be doing it if he wasnt making a profit ,which is only fair.To be honest i make more on CMD then i do mfc ,sometimes.So not sure what to say about that comparison.At any given time i work 7 different site so all my indie sites are pocket change.All in all hes in it to make a profit and so are we.SO we all need to work togerther and get this money.
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bigbootyjudy1
I ussually hit 80% pay out.so you get what you give.but dont forget he has to cover charge backs ,he has to pay for cost of running the site and pay himself for time and energy of running the site.I feel like 75% to 80% is very freaking generous.
FYI: CMD does NOT cover chargebacks. Unless something massive has changed and I totally missed it. But yeah, if you get a chargeback against you, Mark takes it out of your $ and if you don't have enough to cover it, you end up in the negative. If this has changed, I would be absolutely shocked.
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Bootsie
FYI: CMD does NOT cover chargebacks. Unless something massive has changed and I totally missed it. But yeah, if you get a chargeback against you, Mark takes it out of your $ and if you don't have enough to cover it, you end up in the negative. If this has changed, I would be absolutely shocked.
When I started he was covering chargebacks, I thought...
EDIT: Yes, he does cover chargebacks.
From the FAQ:
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11. Am I responsible for chargebacks?
No. Unlike many other sites, CamModelDirectory assumes all responsibility for chargebacks. We use sophisticated anti-fraud tools to combat fraudulent charges that are likely to result in chargebacks. CamModelDirectory does reserve the right to terminate any model’s account if they have a large number of chargebacks submitted against them.
Source: https://www.cammodeldirectory.com/model-faq
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Bootsie
FYI: CMD does NOT cover chargebacks. Unless something massive has changed and I totally missed it. But yeah, if you get a chargeback against you, Mark takes it out of your $ and if you don't have enough to cover it, you end up in the negative. If this has changed, I would be absolutely shocked.
Yes they do! Unless im thinking he suspects fraud on your end.Not saying you .Just in general. ive been with him since the old layout never had a chargeback.
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looks like I'm not missing out on anything by ditching CMD. I stopped using that site ever since Mark thought he could tell me how to do my job. LOL. how about no. he used to be nice but I will NOT take shit from anyone.
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I really don't see the problem with the site...it's a free listing site /payment processor ...you get 75/80%
It's an Indy site...so you have to bring in your own traffic...
Out of all the Indy sites cmd brings in the most traffic! Without doing any work!
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the payment % is where it should be to be honest. Only thing I am against really is the bidding for spots. Some may be against me saying that, but its 100% an opinion. It may work for some to get a great spot and pay for it. Other than that, I have no real gripes. I don't put effort into it anymore but it's not my style of camming at the moment. I see chickas bank off CMD and if it works, it works. :)
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pinkpink
Just wanted to give ladies a heads up: Mark or someone at the company might be fishing girls on Skype to trip them up and terminate their account. I haven't had a CMD show in months. A guy added me on Skype (Sylas Mayhem) and said he wanted a 10 minute JOI show. I asked how he found me and he said CMD. I was working and was bouncing around screens on my laptop. I had a totally brain lapse and said "I'm on Niteflirt now, you can find me here" and linked him. Not even thinking I was "directing CMD traffic to another site". The guy never replied, I went on with my night. The next day, I get an email with a copy of the conversation saying my CMD account has been terminated for failure to comply. It's no skin off my back, like I said I haven't had a CMD show in months. But I thought it was really predatory to message random girls under the guise of legitimate traffic from CMD (hahahaha) in an attempt to "catch" them screwing up. Either it was Mark, someone at the company or another girl. Either way, it's a shitty thing to do in my opinion. Be warned! <3
The same thing happened to me. I actually caught Mark last year before he launched the new site because he actually slipped up, lol. He was already speaking to me on skype about purchasing an ad so our windows were already up.
Anyway, he poses as a client and we do the dance and of course I asked him where he found me as well. He said CMD and if I'd be willing to take PP. I explained that if he found me on CMD, he pays on CMD. So I ask him what kind of show he wanted and all of a sudden Mark messages me the answers instead of this POT and I'm like seriously, bro? He was tipsy as I believe it was a Christmas Eve or something so he'd been drinking and he apologized.
He said he was sorry, but a lot of the traffic was being sent elsewhere and he knew some girls were stealing. I told him I had a clue he was doing it and he said it's really all he can do to make sure girls are stealing traffic. I felt a bit betrayed but I understood him. Honestly as much as I loved CMD so much, I agree with other girls- since the new site switch (and even months before) the site had died down for me. Perhaps it's because I also went from $3-4 or so and I notice most girls are offering $2-3 rates on average.
Either way I know I could bring my regs to CMD and use that but I feel like if I'm going to do that I also want traffic from the site as well. Perhaps if I do bring my own traffic I'll be able to rise high enough in the front page to gain more exposure from legit guys. I've gotten inquiries but they all wasted my time. It didn't used to be that way before. 8/10 if a guy messaged you he was going to go through with it and I have the past CMD email invoices to prove it.
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He should implement a referral program..cuz all my shows are from guys I never brought in so whoever brought them in could be getting paid a lil for reffering them to his site...
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For anyone feeling frustrated...WTF is with CMD tonight? Me and a custy can't even get it to fucking load, we've been waiting donkey's years. Which are longer than people years obvs. I better not get dinged for taking payment through another site since neither of us can get it to load and custy with a hard cock doesn't want to wait 30 minutes to pay.
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Yeah, the same thing is happening to me. -_-
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"Error code 26
The proxy failed to connect to the web server, SSL connection failed"
SSL connection failed. Bad certificate. Yikes... I do web design and eCommerce so I know what that basically means. SSL helps encrypt data (credit cards, personal info, etc) Hope he fixes it soon because that isn't a good thing.
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LaylaLovely
He should implement a referral program..cuz all my shows are from guys I never brought in so whoever brought them in could be getting paid a lil for reffering them to his site...
Exactly. I've personally asked Mark for this but he said he can't afford it with him already getting a 20-25% cut. I would love to bring traffic and my paying guys to CMD but wouldn't risk it because I don't want to lose out on a percentage paid to other models. Men like variety and if I'm going to expose them to other bbs I want a piece fo the pie like cammodels.
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anoncamgirl
Well I stand corrected. My bad! I have NO idea how he manages to cover cbs with just taking 25%. But hey, that's good news for bbs who use CMD a lot! (I don't, unless someone finds me there.)
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kortneykay
The same thing happened to me. I actually caught Mark last year before he launched the new site because he actually slipped up, lol. He was already speaking to me on skype about purchasing an ad so our windows were already up.
Anyway, he poses as a client and we do the dance and of course I asked him where he found me as well. He said CMD and if I'd be willing to take PP. I explained that if he found me on CMD, he pays on CMD. So I ask him what kind of show he wanted and all of a sudden Mark messages me the answers instead of this POT and I'm like seriously, bro? He was tipsy as I believe it was a Christmas Eve or something so he'd been drinking and he apologized.
He said he was sorry, but a lot of the traffic was being sent elsewhere and he knew some girls were stealing. I told him I had a clue he was doing it and he said it's really all he can do to make sure girls are stealing traffic. I felt a bit betrayed but I understood him. Honestly as much as I loved CMD so much, I agree with other girls- since the new site switch (and even months before) the site had died down for me. Perhaps it's because I also went from $3-4 or so and I notice most girls are offering $2-3 rates on average.
Either way I know I could bring my regs to CMD and use that but I feel like if I'm going to do that I also want traffic from the site as well. Perhaps if I do bring my own traffic I'll be able to rise high enough in the front page to gain more exposure from legit guys. I've gotten inquiries but they all wasted my time. It didn't used to be that way before. 8/10 if a guy messaged you he was going to go through with it and I have the past CMD email invoices to prove it.
This really makes me sad. I had so much love in the beginning for CMD just as you did and I had such high hopes for Mark and his site but between bringing bidding in after the early-adopter girls brought all their traffic over and now learning of his 'entrapment' ploy it really doesn't make me want to give him a percentage of my money anymore. :/
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For those that missed it or skim the newsletters, this is new CMD policy:
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Over the last three years CMD has assembled an extensive list of people who you should not engage with. The list includes the Skype IDs of those people who are known to be scammers, time wasters and/or fraudsters. We do everything we can to prevent these people from making purchases on the site, but sometimes they still get through. This is why it is now mandatory that you check the crooked clients list for every new client who adds you on Skype. If they are on the list do not accept their Skype invitation. If you do a show with someone who is on the list and we receive a chargeback or we have to issue a refund, you will NOT be paid for that sale. Limiting chargebacks and refunds is necessary to keep our costs down and avoid having to increase fees.
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Sucks, but it's understandable. I'm sure chargebacks hit smaller sites extremely hard. I just wish the list was better organized.
Maybe there should be a separate list just for the chargeback guys. That would make it easier to see if it's been updated AND it would make it easier for us to block them ahead of time.
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scarlettbelle
Sucks, but it's understandable. I'm sure chargebacks hit smaller sites extremely hard. I just wish the list was better organized.
Maybe there should be a separate list just for the chargeback guys. That would make it easier to see if it's been updated AND it would make it easier for us to block them ahead of time.
The crooked client list can now be sorted by date. So you can go though and block all the guys on the list and then just check for newly added/updated bad clients.
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I got approved for CMD today. Do y'all just add the new Skype invites as they come or do u ask if they want to do a show first? Just don't want to get a lot of time wasters....tia
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Girly_Girl
I got approved for CMD today. Do y'all just add the new Skype invites as they come or do u ask if they want to do a show first? Just don't want to get a lot of time wasters....tia
Definitely don't add them until they agree to (and have paid for) a show. Depending on the day, you might get one show out of 5 guys who add you. LOTS of time wasters regardless.
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pippapippa
Definitely don't add them until they agree to (and have paid for) a show. Depending on the day, you might get one show out of 5 guys who add you. LOTS of time wasters regardless.
So do I just ask them how they found me and then if they say CMD, ask them if they want to do a show? I've had like 10 or more try to add me today but no shows so far:(
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Girly_Girl
So do I just ask them how they found me and then if they say CMD, ask them if they want to do a show? I've had like 10 or more try to add me today but no shows so far:(
Yeah. I say "Hi, are you looking for a Skype show today?" If they say yes, I ask "Through which site and what exactly are you looking for?"
If they don't give me an exact answer of what they're wanting I tell them to fuck off because they're wasting my time.
I'd say 50% of guys don't buy a show or want something that I don't offer. But the other 50% are generally repeat customers and awesome.
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@Girly_Girl - This is actually up for debate. A lot of models refuse to add a contact until after he books a show, but I take all the requests and then block/delete as needed. Here's some discussion from this thread about a year ago:
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Magical_Hoohah
At first I didn't add anybody to my contacts until they had paid for a show. You can set your Skype setting so that non-contacts aren't able to call you, and I felt that was really important.
About a month ago, I realized that I was doing a lot of work because potential custies couldn't see my status. I'd get a bunch of contact requests when I was offline, and then I'd reply when I was online and ready to work. By that point a lot of the guys were offline. Then later after I was done for the day, they'd message back, not knowing whether I was still online or not. With most of them I'd play tag several times before we'd actually catch up. The rude ones would send a bunch of messages like "Hey!... Hello?... Are you there?... Where are you?... Oh well. I really wanted a show right now." >:(
For the past month I've been accepting all the contact requests, and I've been getting a lot less pestering when I'm offline. That means fewer messages to respond to when I start work. Despite my fears about guys randomly calling before they've paid, that's only happened three times so far...
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scarlettbelle
Idk if this is necessarily the best way to do it, but I add everyone who sends me a request and block them as needed. I think a lot of ladies do what you're saying though (adding them after you receive payment) since it helps to weed out the freeloaders. In my experience, there are plenty of guys who add me and then buy shows days/weeks/months later so I accept every request just in case. You never know who's suddenly going to buy a show!
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Magical_Hoohah
Hmm... I suppose some guys add you to Skype like they add you as a favorite on SM - they just want to remember you for later.
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scarlettbelle
Yup, that's exactly what I've been thinking. One of my current regs didn't say a word to me until a month after he added me. You just never know!
I still totally stand by all of this, especially the stuff Scarlett said.
Just as an example, let's say that a guy is browsing CMD, and he sees you, me, and ModelX. He likes all three of us and sends us all a contact request, but decides he wants to do a show with ModelX. In the meantime, you refused to add him as a contact until he paid up, while I accepted the contact request.
Two days/weeks/months down the road, dude decides that he wants a show with someone new. He checks his Skype list and sees me online. By virtue of being one of his contacts, he knows that he liked my profile at some point, I was friendly enough to add him, and if he wants a show, all he has to do is message me and set it up. If he remembers seeing your profile at all, he knows that he will have to go back to CMD and dig around on the site until he finds you again. Then he'll have to message and hope you're online and not busy.
Want to bet about which of us gets his money?
All that being said, there are good reasons to refuse contact requests. If Skype is only a small portion of your business, you can probably afford to lose some paying customers more than you can afford to deal with timewasters, so taking a zero-tolerance policy might work better for you. Also, if you find timewasters so irritating that you would prefer to give up some potential customers rather than deal with them, it's also a good idea.