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What's up with all the russians in the nyc club?
I've noticed, as am sure many who have danced in NYC, the high concentration of russian dancers in SOME clubs (nicer and more high end ones as well). I havent experienced this is any other city. I feel as though its got to be more than just a mere coincidence?
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Thin leggy blondes are preferential in many ultra competitive cities.
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MericLouis
I've noticed, as am sure many who have danced in NYC, the high concentration of russian dancers in SOME clubs (nicer and more high end ones as well). I havent experienced this is any other city. I feel as though its got to be more than just a mere coincidence?
I have wondered this myself for some time. Over time I made friends with a few Russian dancers and so far I've gathered a few things.
In NYC there are agencies that work with girls who, if they pay a flat fee for their service, provide them with drivers who pick them up to and from the club, give them club suggestions on where they can work, and in some cases do their scheduling. For example Gallaghers in Queens apparently works with an agency where they provide the club with girls and the girls' schedules are handled by the agency. Meanwhile girls who aren't from an agency and work independently will have to do their scheduling with Gallaghers (which was a 4 day minimum, meanwhile girls from the agencies can work 2 or however many days they wanted according to their agency).
Another thing is that some clubs in NYC are okay with just taking your drivers' license/state ID/any ID. I've met a lot of dancers who were here in the U.S. going to school with student visas and they couldn't go work in places like Scores, Penthouse, Ricks, or Hustler because they didn't have an S.S. number. So they would settle on the other clubs like Flash, Private Eyes, Lace, etc.
As for their prevalence, I'm not really sure. It could be that dancing jobs are advertised often in their communities, or word of mouth among each other. NYC does have high Eastern European/Russian populations in some areas, but I don't know enough about their communities to really give an opinion. I have heard that Russian dancers are also the norm in some LI and NJ clubs.
I've definitely heard about Russian girls who work in clubs due to shady reasons and there may be some truth behind it, but I don't think this is often the case. I don't know if you heard about this, but in 2011 there were some clubs busts in regards to this. Here is an article which covers it:
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/223...uggling-scheme
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^i worked in a club in LA almost 10 years ago where the Russian bride method was used. It was really interesting. Though, I always got the feeling that the women knew exactly what they were getting themselves into. I remember one girl was kind enough to explain that the money she made was enough to buy her nuclear family luxuries that they otherwise couldn't afford (hair extensions seemed to be something their female relatives all wanted for some reason, for example.)
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i'm in mass near boston and we have a lot of russians here as well. so its not just NYC i don't think
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MericLouis
I've noticed, as am sure many who have danced in NYC, the high concentration of russian dancers in SOME clubs (nicer and more high end ones as well). I havent experienced this is any other city. I feel as though its got to be more than just a mere coincidence?
There is a HUGE Russian population in and around NYC... in Brooklyn especially. They are very driven and like money... a lot. The fact that many Russian gals are thin and hot, Euro looking, and have sexy accents certainly helps because NYC clubs like that "type" of stripper... tall, thin, and hardcore hustlers.
None of this is meant to be an insult to Russian ladies.
Source: I'm Russian.
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Ive worked with Russian girls down south and also in Texas. I think they know where the good money clubs are, not just in New York.
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I'd love to learn the russian hustle :p
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This is due to a very high Russian/former Soviet population around the area. Like others said, typical look is tall, long blond hair, long legs, usually highly educated. They capitalize on looks and an ability to charm. Nothing wrong with that! (Moscovite here).
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It's the agencies. There are large populations of many ethnic types whether European or African or South American and tons of Asians. The difference is the agencies that years ago would promise the clubs twice the house fee for using their agency girls vs the independent girls of various backgrounds. So you come in paying $50 but the Russian woman next to you is obligated to pay $100. It went from a fairly even playing field to American dancers being outbid by the men who own the agencies and chucked aside by the men who own the clubs. The wave before them was Brazilian and Colombian girls. Clubowners assume that the optimum situation is to stock their club with 95% white women regardless of the rainbow tribe of custies they actually serve in their community (or the fact that many of the Russian women are not fluent in English). So there are clubs where you are at a distinct disadvantage even though you too may be thin and fashionable and can even speak to the men because the gig has been effectively outsourced.
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This Isn't just in New York. I'm about 30 percent Russian. I use to travel with my cousin( from Ufa) from 99-2003 she was usually one of the only Russian girls and we were in Dallas, Chicago, Nola, Myrtle beach all over with the exception of Chicago and Vegas ( there were others) now they're everywhere and she hated that( she liked to be the only one. She also wouldn't associate with them as she was finishing her masters in finance and said they were too stupid.( she said this not me) now let's see, west palm has around 60% eastern, key west, myrtle beach. They are all over now even Nola Ricks cabaret has an influx of them and Bulgarian girls. So it's not just a Ny phenomenom.
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GlamourRouge
Thin leggy blondes are preferential in many ultra competitive cities.
Yeah except the vast majority of Russian dancers are not thin leggy blondes. They don't have a magical supermodel gene or anything like that. :D It's simple bribery to control that market. It's like Walmart driving down wholesale prices because they are the biggest game in town, the agencies outbid and once they control the market they have a massive amount of power and you will take the ordinary girls they send you. What are you gonna do--staff your whole club on a day's notice? Of course not.
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Sansonnet
As for their prevalence, I'm not really sure. It could be that dancing jobs are advertised often in their communities, or word of mouth among each other. NYC does have high Eastern European/Russian populations in some areas, but I don't know enough about their communities to really give an opinion. I have heard that Russian dancers are also the norm in some LI and NJ clubs.
Here's an example of what you're talking about:
http://newyork.backpage.com/Stripper...cy-33/20056940
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Russian Dancers wanted no agency - 33
Posted: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 2:21 AM
Reply: click here
Russian Dancers wanted no agency - 33
Russian Dancers wanted no agency - 33
looking for russian dancers for our gentlemen clubs no agency and no house fees ever work as many days as you want call 347-321-5986
Poster's age: 33
• Location: Queens
• Post ID: 20056940 newyork
OP have you seen this ad for any other ethnicity exclusively? No ads for French, Irish, Italian girls? The fix is in. What I never understood is why they bother to lie about their discriminatory practices. I'm sure there are plenty who will say " American girls are just too fat or too ghetto/trashy/lazy to compete!" :rotfl:
So it's a cycle where they get the club stocked with 95% of their girls so they are dependent. Now they can demand that only their girls are used beyond a few tokens for legal American purposes. The Russian girls can quickly make money because they are the only game in town. In a few months they go from looking like average girls to wearing better clothing, eating better/more regularly, and having the sense of security and even smugness of believing they are superior and preferred of all the girls in their new land! They just showed up, didn't have to learn anything or grow, they just fell into an already rigged situation. The pool of American girls interested in auditioning dies out as they travel to other cities where they can get a fair shake or they go into other jobs.
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Thing is it could work in the benefit of some American girls to work at Russian majority clubs. Whenever I worked in Russian majority clubs many customers were surprised (and relieved) that I could speak English and hold a conversation. Its kind of like being the only one of you (like what Michelle said about her friend) and I made a lot of money that way without too much hustling.
That being said, I will probably pretend to be something else in an American majority club to have that novelty again.
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Most the Russian girls I've worked with including my cousin definitely blow away most the American girls in looks. They are skinny , and you can't mistake those gorgeous high cheeckbones. Even the ones at Masters imo opinion blow away the rest of the girls and guys do prefer them. I trveled with a a girl here who wasn't Russian but looked it because of her high check bones , pale skin and guys would constantly ask if she was Russian if we were sisters and want me to bring her over for their friends. Seems at Masters the guys are kinda disappointed when they find out you don't have an eastern euro accent( since it's relatively a new thing at masters the guys are really into it but I think it will blow over if they hire more hot American girls and up their standards to where they were 5 years ago. They already rulke thee doll house...
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michele11
Most the Russian girls I've worked with including my cousin definitely blow away most the American girls in looks. They are skinny , and you can't mistake those gorgeous high cheeckbones. Even the ones at Masters imo opinion blow away the rest of the girls and guys do prefer them. I trveled with a a girl here who wasn't Russian but looked it because of her high check bones , pale skin and guys would constantly ask if she was Russian if we were sisters and want me to bring her over for their friends. Seems at Masters the guys are kinda disappointed when they find out you don't have an eastern euro accent( since it's relatively a new thing at masters the guys are really into it but I think it will blow over if they hire more hot American girls and up their standards to where they were 5 years ago. They already rulke thee doll house...
Masters is a club where I here guys complaining about the Russians, as well as the cabbies oddly enough. Your experience isn't the only one unfortunately. And of course I'm there on and off season so I'm getting all the guys not just the tourists who come in high season. There have been Eastern Euro girls at Masters who were thick and thin young and old frumpy and stylish. There is no golden clique of Russian girls there. It just ain't so.
Logically, they're not going to tell someone who could be Russian that they don't like/are tired of Russians. Only the biggest douche would say that to a girl. As a side note, I was actually sitting with a dude who was railing against Russian girls and to fuck with him I told him I was Russian (in an accent). He looked stricken!! :rotfl: But racist people generally don't air there hatred with the group they hate so don't expect to be privy to that odious little convo. They save that for safer ears.
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OMG that's hilarious! I love the guy correcting the first soldier as he's interrogating them! Frickin' delicious!
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Lest I be accused of bias, feel free to peruse the current stats that make it clear there is no skinny gene or supermodel gene or superior hustling gene that would compel employers to bypass perfectly good American gals for Russian only staff. Their obesity rates are as crappy as ours. Their poverty rates defy a magical master race hustling prowess.
http://english.pravda.ru/society/sto...612-obesity-0/
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Obesity Conquers Moscow, Threatens to Beat USA and Mexico
Over 38% of Muscovites are overweight, which is twice as many as 12 years ago, Leonid Lobaznik, chief physician of the Moscow healthcare department told RIA Novosti.
In his words, in 2008 17.3% Muscovites were obese, while today the number is 38.2%. "The reason is fast food and sedentary lifestyle, “the expert explained.
Nutritionists are alarmed. If obesity continues conquering Moscow at this pace, the Russian capital will outrun the USA and Mexico where 30% of adults and 43% of children suffer from obesity.
Another reason of obesity growth is declining incomes. The financial crisis has reduced the number of slim citizens. Medics explain that it is not the amount of food, but its low quality that make people overweight.
Breads, potatoes and grains are the foods that make people gain weight. In the late 1980s and especially in the early 1990s many gained weight despite of lowered income. First of all it is true for retirees and students, the most vulnerable categories.
Yet, there are those who take advantage of mass obesity. Multiple businesses serving obese people flourish in Moscow. Some entrepreneurs sell plus size clothes; others create various informational portals for big people or open modeling schools for plus size models.
http://english.pravda.ru/health/14-01-2005/7597-fat-0/
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Unlike Americans, Russian people do not acknowledge that they are fat
Fat people live somewhere far away. According to numerous news reports, the number of fatty people in the USA is the largest in the world. The States obtained such a peculiarity owing to fast food restaurants and modern immobile lifestyle. The situation in Russia is different, though. Russian people move a lot, they eat a lot less and look very well, not to mention the fact that Russian girls are most beautiful ones in the world.
One may believe in such things, draw stomachs in in front of a mirror and blame the “horrible American statistics.” As it turns out, Russia does not have its own obesity statistics. In addition, there is no Russian epidemiology, or the joint medical data about the whole country. Russia definitely has cancer, heart attack, stroke, TB and AIDS stats, but the Russian statistics often differs a lot from the one of the World Health Organization.
Russian people, especially those who live in the rural area, like to eat bread, sugar and animal fat - quite “harmful” high-calorific foods. A lot of people use lard instead oil for frying. Needless to say that the traditional Russian food does not differ much from American burgers.
As far as the style of life is concerned, it would be wrong to say that Russians are very mobile and sporty people. They can eat a whole platter of pasta before going to bed and then watch TV for an hour with a big can of beer and several packs of potato chips. There is an alternative for television and chips, though – a computer and sandwiches. One may say that Russians have been rather successful in adopting the Western lifestyle.
Russians have not adopted another aspect, though – a critical attitude towards themselves. June Stevens and his colleagues from University of North Carolina found out that Russian teenagers suffer from obesity as much as American kids do. Unlike Americans, Russian people do not acknowledge that they are fat.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoz...overty-rising/
Disturbing Trend For Putin, Russian Poverty Rising
Karl Marx warned them. Capitalism makes for growing inequality among the classes. Then again, that is usually exacerbated by financial crises.
For years, Russian leader Vladimir Putin has flaunted the success of his United Russia Party with ample evidence of the country’s economic growth. Moscow is home to more billionaires than New York City and London. But there’s a disturbing trend that Russia’s recently elected President will have to contend with once he takes office again in May, and that is the fact that the rising economy is not lifting all boats.
The number of Russians living in poverty rose another 1.1% last year to a total of around 13% of the population, or 18.1 million living below the national poverty line, government statistical agency Rosstat reported on Thursday.
Russia’s current minimum wage is about 4,600 roubles ($155) per month, while the minimum cost of living per capita is around 6,200 roubles ($210). Income disparity is becoming a bigger problem as the earnings of the richest Russians being 16 times higher than those of the poorest citizens, President-elect Vladimir Putin said recently.[/quote]
Given what Russia counts as the poverty level is ridiculously low--much lower than our standard, there are a LOT of folks just squeaking by. They are certainly not living the capitalists or hustlers dream.
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One word about the agencies. What they do is point blank illegal. You MericLouis, should be able to walk into one of these agencies and get work too. An employment agency based in America is bound by American laws and should take you on and promote you just as they promote these other ladies. They won't though. For our litigious ladies....perhaps you'd like to look into this:
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Coverage of Employment Agencies
General Coverage
An employment agency, such as a temporary staffing agency or a recruitment company, is covered by the laws we enforce if the agency regularly refers employees to employers. This is true even if the employment agency doesn’t receive payment for this service, and the agency is covered no matter how many employees it has.
Employment Agencies and Unlawful Referral Practices
An employment agency is prohibited from discriminating against its own employees, as well as in its referral practices. An employment agency may not honor discriminatory employer preferences. For example, it is unlawful to accept a job order specifying the race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age (over 40) or disability status of the candidate. An employment agency may not categorize, group or classify job applicants, jobs, or employers based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age (over 40) or disability status and make referrals based on the categorizations. For example, it is unlawful to classify and refer only males to "light industry" positions or only females to "clerical" positions. In addition, an employment agency may not maintain a discriminatory environment, or discriminate against its own employees with respect to wages, promotions, etc.
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michele11
This Isn't just in New York. I'm about 30 percent Russian. I use to travel with my cousin( from Ufa) from 99-2003 she was usually one of the only Russian girls and we were in Dallas, Chicago, Nola, Myrtle beach all over with the exception of Chicago and Vegas ( there were others) now they're everywhere and she hated that( she liked to be the only one. She also wouldn't associate with them as she was finishing her masters in finance and said they were too stupid.( she said this not me) now let's see, west palm has around 60% eastern, key west, myrtle beach. They are all over now even Nola Ricks cabaret has an influx of them and Bulgarian girls. So it's not just a Ny phenomenom.
I remember the first audition I went to in Chicago in 2003 and 75% of the girls in the dressing room were Russian.
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Optimist
Masters is a club where I here guys complaining about the Russians, as well as the cabbies oddly enough. Your experience isn't the only one unfortunately. And of course I'm there on and off season so I'm getting all the guys not just the tourists who come in high season. There have been Eastern Euro girls at Masters who were thick and thin young and old frumpy and stylish. There is no golden clique of Russian girls there. It just ain't so.
Logically, they're not going to tell someone who could be Russian that they don't like/are tired of Russians. Only the biggest douche would say that to a girl. As a side note, I was actually sitting with a dude who was railing against Russian girls and to fuck with him I told him I was Russian (in an accent). He looked stricken!! :rotfl: But racist people generally don't air there hatred with the group they hate so don't expect to be privy to that odious little convo. They save that for safer ears.
Well I don't tell customers I'm Russian. My mom is Australian born and my dad German so I usually say Australian. I look german, sweedish, austalian more than anything but In all the areas I work a lot of the guys say they are sick of the eastern euros and then turn around and go back with one. Happened to me at masters with the popular Russian who always wears the black robe. lol. Love the robe.
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Amira702
I remember the first audition I went to in Chicago in 2003 and 75% of the girls in the dressing room were Russian.
At vips they where polish. Chicago has the highest polish population outside of warsaw. They speak fluent Russian. I thought a few of them were Russian and my cousin said they were mostly Polish. This was at vips. H.B. had a ton of polish girls too.
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huh, i was wondering why everyone was saying they are hot, lean, blond and leggy! only one of the 6 russian girls i work with would qualify as blond and lean and leggy, but she's definitely not hot. out of the 6 i'd say 2 are attractive, just like any other nationality..some are ugly, some are hot, some are in between! i will say they are fierce hustlers though ( and by fierce i mean aggressive, cut throat, and will do anything to close a sale), i don't think they are genetically born with it. i'd say the hispanic/italian/asian girls blow everyone away at the clubs i've seen.
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michele11
At vips they where polish. Chicago has the highest polish population outside of warsaw. They speak fluent Russian. I thought a few of them were Russian and my cousin said they were mostly Polish. This was at vips. H.B. had a ton of polish girls too.
This was at the Admiral Theater, but you're right, Chicago does have a very high polish population. My home club which is no longer around (Allstars Northlake) had a lot of Polish girls.
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My friend was just down in key west and she said they were everywhere. I see them sometimes in miami, they come in groups to work for 3 months (90 day visa to travel - not work but they do). Of course not all Russians are hot, but lots of Russian girls that come to more "developed" countries are hot, young girls hungry for money and trying to better their lives financially, hence why you see so many in strip clubs.