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Realistically, what is a doable escort rate?
Hey girls!
I've got a question: what is a realistic escort rate. When I was in England, before my parents stopped my degree funding and took my girl stuff and hormones, I charged $200/hr equivalent.
I'm currently going to school to train as a paralegal and hopefully I can find a job so I can move out and retransition.
I really enjoyed escorting, and I plan to do it to make extra money along with my paralegal day job.
I plan to charge $500/hr, with a 2 hour minimum, and $5000 for overnight. Offer GFE and PSE.
I live in LA, so I'm pretty sure this is doable. I also plan on doing modelling for Kink.com to advertise and meet people and have fun.
Also, I plan to invest 80% of my total income in growth and dividend stocks.
If I can see 3 weekly clients and 1 overnight client a week, I can have revenue of $384K/year. Invest 80% of that at an 8.5% yield, leaving $76.8K to live on per year, I can retire at 35 on $5.25M.
Then I can sell off 0.5% of my portfolio every month to live on. I'll have $315K/year in passive income! And since the withdrawal rate is less than the yield, my portfolio and yearly income will increase (albeit slowly) every year.
Oil and gas MLPs are an excellent investment. Most of them own oil pipelines, so their income is:O linked to oil demand, not price.
Is this feasible?
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I'm not an escort and I don't know what PSA means. So I should probably keep my mouth shut since I'm wildly out of my element. I do know quite a bit about Kink... Their rates have plummeted over the last 6 years or so. I get that you would be doing it for advertising, but if your big thing is GFE, how does that work? I'm more curious, than anything. Feel free to ignore me!
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Porn Star Experience. That just registered.
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$800-1200 for 4 hours of work is their currency rate for trannies. Also, I love their production values and look.
I'm happy either going on a proper date or being fucked senseless.
Well-educated, cultured, hot as fuck, and horny as hello will be my marketing angle.
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Very cool! I have quite a few friends who shoot for kink. They don't make half that rate! I'm guessing you're starting as a sub? Or there are probably some speciality shoots I don't know about that you qualify for... Either way, good luck!! I love San Francisco and the armory is really cool! Sorry I don't have any actual advice..
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Jasmine.Doll
Very cool! I have quite a few friends who shoot for kink. They don't make half that rate! I'm guessing you're starting as a sub? Or there are probably some speciality shoots I don't know about that you qualify for... Either way, good luck!! I love San Francisco and the armory is really cool! Sorry I don't have any actual advice..
Actually, we tend to be cast as Dommes, and we mostly star in TS Seduction and TS Pussy Hunters. I'd enjoy that, but I would like to sub occasionally.
I'd really enjoy Ultimate Surrender! LOL, I wonder how many of the extras in the audience start a betting pool!
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One of my good friends was the 2nd or 3rd shooting of ultimate surrender. That is a crazy shoot! "TS Pussy Hunters" is an awesome name!!
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Jasmine.Doll
One of my good friends was the 2nd or 3rd shooting of ultimate surrender. That is a crazy shoot! "TS Pussy Hunters" is an awesome name!!
What's the shoot like? I'd be worried I'd hurt my poor genetic girl opponent, and wouldn't be able to have any fun with her after I trounce her.
I'd love to write this TS Seduction scene: guy has car accident, and is meeting his insurance adjuster, a hot tranny (me). I inform him that its clearly his fault, and I can't pay his claim. He starts whining. I smile and say "There is one way you can get your money, love..."
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You might have to start lower than $500 in order to get reviews. Or, if you have professional photos and a website done and you're willing to wait longer for business to build up, you could certainly start at 500/hr and try to hit those travelling into LA who have more money to burn than those who live there.
I would also suggest building up your fetish clientele-- have business cards made, go to fetish events. I would say figure out an internet component via skype dates and such, but I don't think any escort should have face photos up unless you are mainly a porn star and are being paid for videos.
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BANHammerGoddess
You might have to start lower than $500 in order to get reviews. Or, if you have professional photos and a website done and you're willing to wait longer for business to build up, you could certainly start at 500/hr and try to hit those travelling into LA who have more money to burn than those who live there.
I would also suggest building up your fetish clientele-- have business cards made, go to fetish events. I would say figure out an internet component via skype dates and such, but I don't think any escort should have face photos up unless you are mainly a porn star and are being paid for videos.
I basically have no shame, and I since I plan on modelling for Kink.com, I'll definitely show my face.
I'll make business cards, start up a professional website, visit the Armory and appear at the Tranny Awards, etc. LOL, I probably couldn't get my Dad to hand out my business cards when he travels to NYC for his maritime insurance conferences, though.
I love travelling, so touring would be fun.
How do I do camshows without Streammate and stuff, just run the show from my website and its server, so I can keep the entire $1.99/min?
If I ever decide to have a "real" career, and someone outs me as a tranny pornstar, I'm just going to say "So what?"
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No, you would get a payment server or accept green dot deposits and then skype after you've already put the funds on your card/account. Never paypal. and you could totally charge more than $1.99/min.
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BANHammerGoddess
No, you would get a payment server or accept green dot deposits and then skype after you've already put the funds on your card/account. Never paypal. and you could totally charge more than $1.99/min.
But the encoder and everything?
Why do I think that if I have good business skills, a hot body, and nice personality, I could make around $1M in yearly revenue if I put my all into this? Escort, cam, make porn.
If I do 4 hours of cam every day for $3/min, 2 hours of escorting every day, and 1 Kink.com scene a week, I could make nearly $700K/year. Invest 80% of that for 10 years at 8.5% yield, and I could retire on $10.5M at 35 or so.
I'll have my money in offshore accounts to avoid taxation.
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lol, does anyone else want to enlighten the exuberant young miss?
look-- just because you put in x-amount of hours or days a week doesn't mean you'll get $3/min x 180min everyday, plus 2 hours a DAY escorting. For one thing, you're in LA-- oversaturated land of women and alternative sexualities. I absolutely say go for it-- but temper your expectations at first and accept that you will likely have to build up your client base to even get regular online privates plus escorting. Camming-- you probably could but not necessarily in four hours (though still, go for it!) Escorting-- it honestly depends on your niche and where you're drawing clients in from.
however, you never know til you try so certainly get started :)
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BANHammerGoddess
lol, does anyone else want to enlighten the exuberant young miss?
look-- just because you put in x-amount of hours or days a week doesn't mean you'll get $3/min x 180min everyday, plus 2 hours a DAY escorting. For one thing, you're in LA-- oversaturated land of women and alternative sexualities. I absolutely say go for it-- but temper your expectations at first and accept that you will likely have to build up your client base to even get regular online privates plus escorting. Camming-- you probably could but not necessarily in four hours (though still, go for it!) Escorting-- it honestly depends on your niche and where you're drawing clients in from.
however, you never know til you try so certainly get started :)
Obviously, I'm not going to get this kind of money just starting out, LOL, I'd have to become well-known and liked!
Just escort, cam, and shoot porn part-time while working as a paralegal until I become known and wanted. Maybe produce the porn myself, and sell it to a distributor. Hire a cinematographer and director, find co-stars, use Kink.com sets (they rent them out to crews all the time), and sell it to Kink.com.
And I plan to tour, and see clients anywhere. I know a GG escort who has clients fly her out to them.
The money really isn't in adult acting, it's in producing, directing, and photographing adult films.
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yeah, definitely. And having your website and all the content and creating passive income so that the content is sold hundreds if not thousands of times over.
good luck!
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Yeah, if it costs $3000 to produce a 30 minute scene, I can sell it on my website for $30/download (prevent it from being copied as well).
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TSLexi
If I ever decide to have a "real" career, and someone outs me as a tranny pornstar, I'm just going to say "So what?"
^^This. :) I love your chutzpah!
+1BanhammerGoddess on tempering your expectations. Since you'll be doing porn you'll get a ton more exposure, but keep in mind you might not get an escort appointment every single day. Check the "Dollar Den" forum for more info. on offshoring, it's not as simple as it sounds these days, especially with all the gov't surveillance. Your enthusiasm and energy will definitely take you places, I hope you rake in the moolah!
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I plan on setting up an offshore corporation, and have the shares held by an offshore trust. So then I have no legal link to my money. Swiss bank accounts can only have the secrecy removed by a Swiss judge. Tax evasion is not a crime in Switzerland. The only reason a Swiss judge would pierce the secrecy is for drug trafficking or terrorism funding.
And Swiss bank accounts can be numbered accounts, so my name doesn't even need to appear.
Having a numbered Swiss account held by a Cayman Islands corporation in a Cook Islands trust would probably make my money untouchable.
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I guess I could start out at $350/hr with three hour minimum, and try to market myself to the guys who want a GFE.
I really have no idea how I can market myself as both a slutty porn star AND an upscale elegant escort.
Maybe be a pro Dominatrix? I know they can charge way more than regular escorts, and I love the acting and performance skills in it. People say I'd make an excellent Domme.
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Sounds like you've got your banking worked out. :)
As an upscale escort you can definitely start out at a min. 400/hr. When I left my agency that was my beginning rate per hour, and I've since raised my rate/time min. Below that you'll get a lot of hagglers and "what do I get for my money" clients. The key is to advertise aggressively so clients know about you. And you want to start off on the right foot with a nice site, pro. photos and upscale ads.
When you're better known and develop a steady following you can start to raise your rate/time min. I suggest starting out with a lower time min. to get your feet wet. And you can always raise your rates later but you don't want to drop them.
If you don't have the capital yet you can start camming or work with an agency on top of your vanilla work to build up some savings. I'd also recommend reading vol. 1 and 2 of The Internet Escort's Handbook by Amanda Brooks if you haven't yet. Her focus is on female escorts/male clients but the basic principles should still apply.
You can totally do both slutty pse and upscale gfe. Offer 2 distinct services using 2 separate personas. That way you don't confuse clients nor dilute your brand. Or, you can try integrate gfe and domina services into one elegant persona, a good example is TS Rachel Smithe (www.ts-rachel.com). Start out simple, maybe 3-5 basic packages and work from there. As I've gained experience I've streamlined.
What you don't want to do is offer the same things at different price points with diff. personas. This upsets clients and some escorts have been ruined by doing this.
About reviews. They're a "faster" way to establish credibility and gain entry to provider-only boards, but not necessarily a good way. I'm meeting more ladies who're working with no reviews at all. You can do it, it just takes diff. marketing and more patience. What I've observed, my best clients aren't involved in the review culture.
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TSLexi
I guess I could start out at $350/hr with three hour minimum, and try to market myself to the guys who want a GFE.
I really have no idea how I can market myself as both a slutty porn star AND an upscale elegant escort.
Maybe be a pro Dominatrix? I know they can charge way more than regular escorts, and I love the acting and performance skills in it. People say I'd make an excellent Domme.
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Aether
Sounds like you got your banking worked out. :)
As an upscale escort you can definitely start out at a min. 400/hr. When I left my agency that was my beginning rate per hour, and I've since raised my rate/time min. Below that you'll get a lot of hagglers and "what do I get for my money" clients. The key is to advertise aggressively so clients know about you. And you want to start off on the right foot with a nice site, pro. photos and upscale ads.
When you're better known and develop a steady following you can start to raise your rate/time min. I suggest starting out with a lower time min. to get your feet wet. And you can always raise your rates later but you don't want to drop them.
If you don't have the capital yet you can start camming or work with an agency on top of your vanilla work to build up some savings. I'd also recommend reading vol. 1 and 2 of The Internet Escort's Handbook by Amanda Brooks if you haven't yet. Her focus is on female escorts/male clients but the basic principles should still apply.
You can totally do both slutty pse and upscale gfe. Offer 2 distinct services using 2 separate personas. That way you don't confuse clients nor dilute your brand. Or, you can try integrate gfe and domina services into one elegant persona, a good example is TS Rachel Smithe (
www.ts-rachel.com). Start out simple, maybe 3-5 basic packages and work from there. As I've gained experience I've streamlined.
What you don't want to do is offer the same things at different price points with diff. personas. This upsets clients and some escorts have been ruined by doing this.
About reviews. They're a "faster" way to establish credibility and gain entry to provider-only boards, but not necessarily a good way. I'm meeting more ladies who're working with no reviews at all. You can do it, it just takes diff. marketing and more patience. What I've observed, my best clients aren't involved in the review culture.
Wow, TS Rachel is hot! Sad she doesn't take other TSs.
I think I'd charge $500/90 minutes, $6000 overnight, and see clients all over the US, Canada, and Europe.
I hope I can, with the total of escorting, camming, and porn shoots, I can pull in $15-20K/month. That seems to be doable, as I'd only need to see about 1 client per day, or one overnight client every week.
I'd tour all over to market myself and stuff.
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TSLexi
What's the shoot like? I'd be worried I'd hurt my poor genetic girl opponent, and wouldn't be able to have any fun with her after I trounce her.
I'd love to write this TS Seduction scene: guy has car accident, and is meeting his insurance adjuster, a hot tranny (me). I inform him that its clearly his fault, and I can't pay his claim. He starts whining. I smile and say "There is one way you can get your money, love..."
I wouldn't worry about your potential opponent, too much. They run a tournament with tougher "challenger" opponents towards the end. The girls who make it to those final rounds tend to be pretty viscous. And while the content is "real" it is also staged, if that makes sense. Like, you will get tossed on the ground and pummeled, but the scenes are all shot with some kind of overall goal, in mind. This is especially true with the sex part...
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Jasmine.Doll
I wouldn't worry about your potential opponent, too much. They run a tournament with tougher "challenger" opponents towards the end. The girls
who make it to those final rounds tend to be pretty viscous. And while the content is "real" it is also staged, if that makes sense. Like, you will get tossed on the ground and pummeled, but the scenes are all shot with some kind of overall goal, in mind. This is especially true with the sex part...
Cool. I wonder, have you ever heard of any audience members starting a betting pool?
"Real, but staged", elaborate. It's not like pro wrestling is it, where matches are fixed beforehand, is it?
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TSLexi
Wow, TS Rachel is hot! ... <snip>
+1
I met her recently, physically stunning and a real class act! From what she said it sounded like most of her high end clientele was in Europe, something to think about if you're going after similar.
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TSLexi
Cool. I wonder, have you ever heard of any audience members starting a betting pool?
"Real, but staged", elaborate. It's not like pro wrestling is it, where matches are fixed beforehand, is it?
I've heard that girls who can get betting pools, or whatever, going. There is an online community of kinksters who also overlap onto fetlife. I could see them promoting some bets, maybe. But I really don't know.
I'm don't know too much about Ult Surrender. I have a friend whose worked there with her hubbie forever. She mostly does the hardcore bondage stuff. For her shoots, everything is basically planned choreographed. It's generally a single camera shoot and the models have to be in positions that will show the goods, to be blunt. The fight stuff is a little different, or at least it was from what I heard... The fighters agree to each others limits off camera, then fight according to the rules. They get so many points for holding someone down and licking her pussy. Or for fingering their opponents butt. I still think they probably have the models move to certain parts of the ring or do specific sexual acts for the camera. But I don't know for sure. The sex part is what I'm more familiar with. That stuff is pretty much planned ahead of time. Scene one: hogtied and finger fucked--not allowed to orgasm. Scene 2: tied to sybian and forced to cum until crying. Scene three: flogged and electrocuted while being forced to give handjob. Final scene: Tied up and fucked--facial.
If it wasn't planned shooting would take forever and it wouldn't look good for the camera. There is a lot of starting and stopping happening. There is a lot of still photography (and posing) happening at the same time. There are a lot of directions being given. The sex is real. A lot of the orgasms are real. During the bdsm stuff the pain and the bruises are real. But, all that real stuff is carefully laid out in front of the camera.
I don't know if that helps or makes sense. You can prob tell from the site if the fighting is staged. I'm sure you've checked it out already, but you may be able to get better info by watching than from me. I'm pretty far out if the Kink loop!!