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There is so much truth in cherryblossom's post I don't need to quote it. Just print it out and put in on your fridge ladies.
A lot of these guys are bullies, creeps and psychoes. They deserve none of your respect.
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As a fairly active Hobbyist why would any provider agree to some of the economics I'm reading? I only have myself as a point of reference, I do about 1-2 appts a week, which in my neck of the woods is about $300/hr * 2 hrs of provider time so about $600 a week. So a provider can earn $600 in one week for 2 hours (+ scheduling, advertising time, website maintenance, screening, self maintenance, etc.). Seems to me the only time saving for an SB is maybe some screening time. Maybe 'reliable' pay, but how reliable can one of these arrangements be? Not to mention hours, someone proposes $600 a month for how many hours? Dinner, seriously, dinner doesn't make a car payment. Seems like a terrible deal for a provider. On the client side, I can see a few regulars and see a few women coming to town and get a diversity of conversation and such. Not sure what $600 weekly could get me better than that, maybe a few more hours, but my time is valuable also.
What am I missing is the advantages of SB for both sides? Seems like there is this great arrangement of time for money, once someone wants something other than that it seems unduly complicated and filled with risks.
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SarcasticGoldFish
As a fairly active Hobbyist why would any provider agree to some of the economics I'm reading? I only have myself as a point of reference, I do about 1-2 appts a week, which in my neck of the woods is about $300/hr * 2 hrs of provider time so about $600 a week. So a provider can earn $600 in one week for 2 hours (+ scheduling, advertising time, website maintenance, screening, self maintenance, etc.). Seems to me the only time saving for an SB is maybe some screening time. Maybe 'reliable' pay, but how reliable can one of these arrangements be? Not to mention hours, someone proposes $600 a month for how many hours? Dinner, seriously, dinner doesn't make a car payment. Seems like a terrible deal for a provider. On the client side, I can see a few regulars and see a few women coming to town and get a diversity of conversation and such. Not sure what $600 weekly could get me better than that, maybe a few more hours, but my time is valuable also.
What am I missing is the advantages of SB for both sides? Seems like there is this great arrangement of time for money, once someone wants something other than that is it seems unduly complicated and filled with risks.
The simple answer is that men are expecting the majority if not all of the sugar baby's time and effort. Many are "not okay" with the sb taking other Daddies or doing other related activity for income.
Asking for exclusivity means a higher price. There are some very wealthy men who don't mind paying a lot for the SugarBaby b/c the high prices exclude troublesome factors the Daddy is looking to avoid (STIs, drama, being ignored, not having dates to important events where the Daddy needs arm candy.)
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The other truth about the world of rich men and women is- "money only marries other money." Wealthy men often marry women from similar backgrounds, or women who "fit in" to the rich man's world. (In the case of footballers/athlete wives..women who will be totally subservient to the husband's cash cow career.)
I saw this myself when I got to crash The Four Seasons hotel- a lot of the dinner date girls there with guys of all ages were not all "lookers" but the girls had the air of snobbery/easy life about them. I got to eat breakfast with a super rich housewife from a nearby state & she was obviously well-cared for (giant diamond ring & not a care in the world.) IMO rich douchebags are looking for a very specific type of woman to get married to....all other women are playthings and arm candy.
I truly hate to quote Charlie Sheen but it's true "Men don't pay women for sex, they pay them to leave." Your fees are what you are collecting for the time a guy "rents" you.
Or at least very highly educated and/or with good careers despite their net worth (prior to marriage) might not be as high.
However, I did know of a poor woman (a bartender) who married a very wealthy man (who owned oil fields), and he divorced her years later. They settled for several millions, but she just blew it all in frivolous things (eg. Many cars, expensive clothes, etc). The only good investment she did was getting new teeth.
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SnuffleUffleGrass
The simple answer is that men are expecting the majority if not all of the sugar baby's time and effort. Many are "not okay" with the sb taking other Daddies or doing other related activity for income.
Asking for exclusivity means a higher price. There are some very wealthy men who don't mind paying a lot for the SugarBaby b/c the high prices exclude troublesome factors the Daddy is looking to avoid (STIs, drama, being ignored, not having dates to important events where the Daddy needs arm candy.)
Exactly!
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Cherryblosomsinspring,
I agree with everything you are saying but I would like to add something that I have notice. Why do cheap-ass splenda daddies always want to spend 600 a month? I have notice that many of them enjoy spending 600 dollars only. To be honest, that is the same rate I was asking the older guys (19 to 25 blue-collar guys like butchers and steel workers) for when I was like 14 or 15 years old. Then I start moving up :) I think is sad when a grown ass man of means wants to con a girl into taking my old 9th grade rate. :(
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I did the SD sites for awhile and basically most of the guys there are scam artists, manipulative, lying, cheats. I did SD4Me and did the c2c thing and never came across a naked guy. Problem is they're all trying to run game that is so outdated they all sound dumb. One guy I chatted with was pretty comfortable, sending his daugthers onto prestigious universities. Problem was he was already on MFC not spending shit. There was a forum where guys would get posted and this MFC guy was all over it. I'm just glad I never met him. Everything is about how to get over and spend nothing or chump change. I was surprised thinking it's not like the guy doesn't have the money but when you think about ugly and out of shape you'll come across a guy that would love if hot women would give him the time of day without the money,
Even my big spenders on MFC all went the same way. First they wanted to impress me with their money and got a high off of seeing my reaction. What eventually happens is that money spending no longer feels good for them so the reverse happens. "How much time and attention can I get and not spend anything". Anytime I had a big spender they always end up coming back to collect 10 times whatever they give though stupid long drawn out speeches of "dinner with them" bullshit or they're whining about loveless marriage crap "ie she will not fuck me with good reason", Another thing is lies. The most annoying thing I hate Is when they lie and you catch them up in their bullshit and then they keep coming back to correct the memory that you clearly have of what was said.
So I hung out on SD for a few years just to see and most of those men are JOHNS. Yes even on escort boards they talk about how they can get unprotected sex for under $600 for a month with some young naive woman that doesn't know any better. Even one guy said it perfectly. HE said I can pay less for them because they are so scarred of being called whores which just means more money in my pocked and more sex. An escort has her hourly rate and that's it. No sitting on the phone listening to some John's problems. If he's not booking he needs to get on.
There were other guys on SD sites that I know sit on cam sites. One guy makes less than 30k a year , out of shape nasty looking and stutters so bad that he actually stutters when he types. Yeah thought that was a speech issue but apparently not. He's one of those spends $2 tip and keeps pushing his email in chat. I actually had to block that loser.
I remember an old guy sitting in his "study" offering me $600 with a smirk on his face. I told him that would never work and at the time I was doing pretty damn well with cam. He does this weird smirk smile shit and says oooh welll. I also told him you're out of the age range I would ever consider. Like seriously you're sitting there old as dirt offering me lunch money? He even said some stupid line of mentoring. I thought ooh what field and he's like ooh no I'd mentor you in sex. PFFT! Dumbass you don't even know to have sex with women born in 1918. Get out! Ohh and he told me his last sb had too many guys around. I told him well exactly since you don't have enough she has to be with other men to compensate for what you lack. Be cheap get cheap.
Most of these men are all playing the odds and it's fun for them because where else are they going to get this kind of attention?
Also flying to meet some asshole on your dime? Nope. There was a guy on SA that would have women fly to him and then meet them in a hotel, fuck them and then say "ooh I'll get the money out of my car". Vrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooom off he went leaving that girl behind. Many of those girls were trapped desperately trying to figure out a way to get home.
Others? Rape rape rape. One well know sugar baby on one of the SD blogs talked about how she got into the hotel with the guy he pushed her down raped her and thew $100 on the bed and left. Yup. The $100 was his " If you tell the police I'll just tell them you were a hooker".
Another sb wrote about how the guy said he'd give her $1000 if she's just make it to him. He couldn't even go pick her up but instead she was on some train bus, walking for mile shit only to be given something like $50.
There are so many horror stories that I never met any of these men face to face. One tried to rush me and said " well you come over and we get to know each other, hurry up because I don't have all time". I did the "fuck you loser click".
One year I did speak to some men that appeared better one guy was way too arrogant for my taste so I knew I wouldn't be able to stand him. Another Diamond Daddy contacted me with this weird "what's the weather like I'm flying in on my private jet" crap. I thought you have to be a serious loser if you logged into SA just to ask a SB that question. Fail.
Another was seriously cute. I thought hmm seems rather young but he was pretty clear that he didn't have any money but joined the site to fuck hot women when they got tired of screwing ugly old men. Seems like he's the after dinner mint on a pillow. lol
All of what I see on SD sites is the same exact behavior I see on cam sites. The cons, games, scams. It's worse because you're in person meeting men that in many cases has just a few hundred to hand. Sure it's in some sense tax free because no one knows you met Igor but the frustration and the back and forth seems time consuming.
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SarcasticGoldFish,
I must say that I agree with your statement "Seems like a terrible deal for a provider."I must say that 600 a month is not a great deal for any sugar baby over the age of 18. I am so shocked at these rates like 600 a month. These are high school rates at best. I mean I was getting 600 a month in the 9th grade from one 19 year old butcher. Then by 11th grade...I would get allowance of 1200 a month from two different guys. I do not understand why anyone would agree to these rates over 18. I hope these young SBs or newbie SBs learn their worth before settling for a 600 per month arrangement. :(
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SarcasticGoldFish
As a fairly active Hobbyist why would any provider agree to some of the economics I'm reading? I only have myself as a point of reference, I do about 1-2 appts a week, which in my neck of the woods is about $300/hr * 2 hrs of provider time so about $600 a week. So a provider can earn $600 in one week for 2 hours (+ scheduling, advertising time, website maintenance, screening, self maintenance, etc.). Seems to me the only time saving for an SB is maybe some screening time. Maybe 'reliable' pay, but how reliable can one of these arrangements be? Not to mention hours, someone proposes $600 a month for how many hours? Dinner, seriously, dinner doesn't make a car payment. Seems like a terrible deal for a provider. On the client side, I can see a few regulars and see a few women coming to town and get a diversity of conversation and such. Not sure what $600 weekly could get me better than that, maybe a few more hours, but my time is valuable also.
What am I missing is the advantages of SB for both sides? Seems like there is this great arrangement of time for money, once someone wants something other than that is it seems unduly complicated and filled with risks.
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YES! reading this whole thread has reignited my fire, my sass and my self worth. it was really hard for me going from brothels with really empowering and uplifting women to trying to make it on my own in a place with a whole different law system, and i found myself settling for less than before.
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mistresscherry
YES! reading this whole thread has reignited my fire, my sass and my self worth. it was really hard for me going from brothels with really empowering and uplifting women to trying to make it on my own in a place with a whole different law system, and i found myself settling for less than before.
Good for you. People will often treat you how you let them - I don't care what business you are in. My time is valuable, yet some will try to get me to work for free - no, hell no. Once companionship is your business, if a person is a client your time must be compensated. Providers that accept less than their time value bring down the entire market. Thats what makes this forum so good, it allows a sort of 'collective bargaining' by providers.
Knowledge isn't just power, knowledge is money, you are paid as much for what you do as what you know. The moment I realized that is the moment I started really making money in my business.
I think I understand the SB business a little more, very interesting. Seems to me you have hourly clients, like me, with a limited set of time and needs, and salary clients, a SD who has more expansive demands on time and activities. The clients that put you on salary must have real net worth/disposable income to even be considered. Also, seems to me it can only work like rent - you pay for the month coming up, not in arrears.
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Attention:Ladies be aware of Ariani Daniels he drugs and rapes women his profile is listed on seeking arrangements he is actually not a sugardaddy at all he is charming so he will act calm and collected but not at all he is
A human sex trafficker , I called local authorities and he is under investigation i almost lost my life .
Yes, I agree!! This ARIANI DANIELS guy is a piece of shit!! Listen up ladies in #LasVegas, HE IS AN EVIL CREEP.....And that is not even his real name.... He is a CRIMINAL and very DANGEROUS. His profile on SA is TravelGuy2Fly, lame, with 20year old pics on the site. Total CATFISHING with him. He does not look like his pics!! He looks like life raped his ass hole everyday since he was born!!! Don't get fooled with the charm, its deceptive and deceitful. He will show you pictures of family, celebrities he knows and even his dog...do not believe him!! He is a CRACKHEAD!! He WILL drug you and rape you!!!!! He needs to go back to jail where he came from. He spent time in prison for racketeering, money laundering and human sex trafficking. He is NO GOOD!! You have been warned. He even has a small penis...its SOOO SMALL!!! LOL!!! What a joke!!! No game at all...with such a small penis he should be locked up in prison getting raped all day!! He WILL steal from you!! If your a sugar daddy why would you steal from me??!?!?! He doesn't even have money!!! He is so broke!! Google him... complete LOSER!!! He'll say he is a business man...not even...he is in the business of being a criminal. Even his own mama should disown him!! I'm doing this to warn all you females!! If I ever see him again I will call the cops right away!! Please repost this everywhere!!!
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hey inbox me its important
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Cops been called i felt i was the first person but ww need to go to the cops together and fight and sue the site
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I have a sweet story to share with you ladies. I have officially given up at finding a second sugar daddy. I fear that I will kill the next narcissistic scum bag who waste my time, I have no patience left. It’s all gone.
So, I met up with a quality guy who is successful and gets to travel the world, even had pictures to prove. Claimed to be generous. Well his idea of generous turned out to be offering an expensive dinner, $500 overnight stays every time he comes to NYC (which is once a month) and paying for all of all of my travel expensive each time I accompany him. I fail to see how I would benefit from being a cheap escort and traveling anywhere with someone who I don’t like for free. Fuck outta here. I became officially infuriated that a rich guy would use his wealth to lure hot girls in, only to offer chump change.
Fed up, I snatched his phone, and stormed out. At first he tried to give me $40 to give him back the phone, I said I don’t want your chump change, I’m sick of guys like you who think it’s okay to take advantage of girls. He then tried blocking me but was stopped by a couple of guys who thought I was being harassed. I was able to get out and threw his precious phone in a bush a few blocks away. Too many girls on the site losing their hope, sanity and precious time on the site by these scum of the earth, it’s about time one of them pays a price. I don’t feel bad at all. I hope I traumatized his bitch ass…
Good sugar daddy sites...you will not be missed
I only do ok with SDs that are single. For some reason the married men offers are way too cheap. I too have gotten the I'm buying my daughter a house or a car and i'm thinking well shit can I just crawl into their mother's womb pop out with afterbirth sliding down my face to get a house and a car? I mean really? Why would I want to date a man that spends the best on his own children but wants to treat children the same age as his own kids like meth addicted streetwalkers? No offense to meth heads on the street but you know what I mean.
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I had a dinner date pot meet last night no sex $300. He was nice and I thought that I would do better as a body rub girl because the girl he sees makes about 5k a week. Still I told him at my own place would be a risk I cannot afford. Just dating men where i live is a no no because they don't know when to give up and move on. If I was a body rub girl I'd have all kinds of asshole loitering at my door way after their hour meet. I just can't take the risk plus LE concerns? I just heard that women are getting arrested all off of accepting "back rub" when someone calls in. Could you imagine going to jail for something as stupid a says "sure I can do a back rub"? I mean really?
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I put myself in more of a financial bind being on these sites. After that last SD faded out I thought ooh that was so easy since he grabbed me up within a week of signing up. I thought surely I can find someone like him. Nope the offers after that became ridiculous. The uglier and older the guy was the shitter his offer was. It was almost as if they thought they were doing me a fucking favor for giving me the time of day. One guy offered $140 for 20 min quickie. I mean what the fuck is that? I didn't even meet him face to face. I noticed his allowance was limited but he contacted me anyways and said he could do my allowance desire. One moment he saying $500 per meet crap and then the next he's offering $140 quickie 2 days later. He even thought I was going to cam up for free. I was like lol wtf why would I do my job for free?
Another slob said I was "shaking him down for money". I thought what money? You haven't given me shit! Kept trying to demand I drive all the way out to some middle of the fucking nowhere to sleep with his fat ass non fucking dick for $400. Like no just no. Please go die in a fire. I told him to fuck off because he kept contacting me with some new bullshit. Also wanted unprotected sex. I was like are you drinking gasoline for coffee? Get the fuck out of here you WART HOG! UGG NASTY FUCKERS.
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yep - my city will charge you for preforming a massage without a license - they tightened up the definition of a massage so it is impossible to charge for a BR without violating it - now a reflexology / foot rub is another story :shhh: double check for your area though
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Wow I have such a potty mouth. I just re-read my own post at a calmer vibe and it's like wow who's that? lol. So I got approved through VerifyMe! Yes Omg almost every SD that contacted me was on there. I couldn't believe the stuff I found. I was like wow I could have seriously gotten hurt if I met any of them.
The guy I wrote about above? Same problem and yes he does see escorts or well he did until he got blacklisted. The rest scared me. Just before I got approved some "millionaire SD" contacted me. Sent the lowest offer on WYP. LIke really you make a million but you can only afford $50? I still accept those dates as I always want to find out if it's because of the fees they offer so cheaply or did they really want to meet a SB for $50? Not even worth it but I wait until they offer more. If not I figure they'll get too busy and I'll move on. It always happens like that anyways so it works out in the end. But getting back to Mr millionaire lol he's a fake.. and he's dangerous. I can't even meet him if he offered more.
I mean does B Wade realize he has a bunch of dangerous men on his site? Some of them are backround verified as that obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans.
Another offered $30 almost back to back. I thought did I just get ugly or something? My area is well not good for sugaring nor is it good for WYP. I can't even date here because so many men are rapey. I'm not even kidding as regular dates always seem to end with me putting my elbow in someone's throat or a passerby catching something that makes them stand around and wait until I get in my car safely. Never had that problem living elsewhere. So Mr $30 decides to tell me to come out 2 freeways and meet him for happy hour. Lol i told him that I don't drink so it will not be happy for me. He said " Adios" and I responded with" Si Si Abuelo" +BLOCK.
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Are there any women of color who had a good payout from the sd sites and if so which ones?
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Not all men on these sites are scum. I met one six(?) years go who is still a close friend. Like with any situation, you have to use your gut instincts (and Ho Tactics, if you haven't read the book) when dealing with these sorts of men. I have a problem with grouping all people of a certain statistic together because of the bad behavior of a few...
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^True, Im sure there are a few who are good but its so time consuming fishing through the fake ones. Ive got so many requests from men trying to get free Skype shows and piks outta me, like the ones who are too broke to pay the cam girls, they all say they wanna make sure Im real, yea ok.. I dont have time for it myself
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Are there any women of color who had a good payout from the sd sites and if so which ones?
Yup, I have. Your only competition is yourself.
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BombshellBelle
Not all men on these sites are scum. I met one six(?) years go who is still a close friend. Like with any situation, you have to use your gut instincts (and Ho Tactics, if you haven't read the book) when dealing with these sorts of men. I have a problem with grouping all people of a certain statistic together because of the bad behavior of a few...
I agree but it also has to do with A. Race and B. Where you live. C. Cost of living in that area.
Case in point: If I'm in say NC or SC rent there is so low in most areas that you could live comfortably as a cam model making $500 a week, Add in a SD with an additional $500 a week and you're making $4k a month. With rents being as low as $600 a month for a two bedroom you're not going to be hurting.
Take that same income in CA or NY and you're going to be struggling. Rent of $2000+ a month makes a huge difference. If you live in a bad area the SD will view you as "cheap". Race wise in certain areas you may have men flock to you because you're local but they'll still attempt to offer you less as if your bills are lower because of your race. I've had several men that only see 3rd world foreign women ie South American, Philippines contact me as if what they would give me would do something where I live. The comment is always the same " it worked out until she went back to her country". I'm sitting there thinking umm well I don't have another fucking country to run to where you cheap money is worth $20,000+ elsewhere. I pay the bills here! Hello!
The good news is I have a possible client that just "gets it" (not from the SD site) he's not interested in monopolizing my time and is offering $$$ something reasonable for the time he wants to take. Can't wait until we work out a schedule.
I always do way better online from either men on the east coast ( NY mostly) / mid west/ or south.
West coast? No for some reason it's just aaack when I deal with men here like I find them too weak and petty even with regular dating. I'm just turned off by them.
Actually I realize I couldn't stand the men here even when I was 18. The only strong deep relationships I could have were with men that were from maybe from South America , Central American, East Coast US.,Europe That's it. So odd that one location of men could put me off so bad. They remind me of men from Jersey. Never again. Someone says "ohh I'm from Jurrrrrsey" = just keep walking.
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Up until now, I've only been replying to messages I've received. I'm wondering if you guys do the same or do you also message the men? Does it seem to work messaging men that you find suitable? I get tons of messages but so many can not afford the allowance that I set on my profile, so why message me? ugh
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Yea, they're a pain..I do message them though, it's good to go on there, it keeps your profile circulating better than if you're not onl.