Scamming customers using recorded videos
Does anybody else seem to be noticing an increase in what appears to be robots or girls using pre-recorded and/or recycled videos that are passed along as real? In a private session, playing a video cheats not only those who are working hard, but it also cheats our customers and ruins consumer loyalty.
I have reported two incidents to SM with no response in over two weeks. Do you think the big websites are knowingly letting it slip underneath the radar as it still remains profitable for both sides (pending a chargeback)?
Just looking to shed some light on the subject so we can keep our eyes open :O
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There has always been. The worse is when they use a recording of you. This has happen very recently to me. There is no point really into reporting them. They usually have a stack of fake IDs and usually out of the US. So they don't have SSN or a tax ID.
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I can't even begin to manage how stressful that must have been! Were you able to stop it?
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Victoria X
Does anybody else seem to be noticing an increase in what appears to be robots or girls using pre-recorded and/or recycled videos that are passed along as real? In a private session, playing a video cheats not only those who are working hard, but it also cheats our customers and ruins consumer loyalty.
I have reported two incidents to SM with no response in over two weeks. Do you think the big websites are knowingly letting it slip underneath the radar as it still remains profitable for both sides (pending a chargeback)?
Just looking to shed some light on the subject so we can keep our eyes open :O
I know that Streamate knows of at least two bots operating right now. They responded to complaints about one of them saying that they are letting it go on 'as an experiment' if I remember the quote correctly.
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Yea, we've discussed some of these girls in previous posts. Of course, there may be new accounts with prerecorded streams on SM as well as on various other sites.
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...Chat-and-Show-!!!!!!!!
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My friend was recorded and her recordings were used to set up a fake profile on another site...it's not just the girls themselves doing this.
I had one guy accuse me of being a recording but was actually ignoring him!
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Victoria X
I can't even begin to manage how stressful that must have been! Were you able to stop it?
I've just ignored it. When someone comes in my room telling me that I ripped them off on skype. I explain to them I do not skype and That is someone who stole my video. Usually that custie understands or they do not.
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I would bet my check cam sites are very much aware of bot cam models. Lets face they are much better performers then any of us can every be. They can work 16 hour days, 7 days a week, never take time off and can look 20 for the next 20 years. Bots are very profitable, Im quite sure their those 10,000 a week cam models,I wouldn't be surprise if for at least a few the site was behind it.
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100 percent agreed. The site profits majorly.
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apryll11
I would bet my check cam sites are very much aware of bot cam models. Lets face they are much better performers then any of us can every be. They can work 16 hour days, 7 days a week, never take time off and can look 20 for the next 20 years. Bots are very profitable, Im quite sure their those 10,000 a week cam models,I wouldn't be surprise if for at least a few the site was behind it.
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Victoria X
Does anybody else seem to be noticing an increase in what appears to be robots or girls using pre-recorded and/or recycled videos that are passed along as real? In a private session, playing a video cheats not only those who are working hard, but it also cheats our customers and ruins consumer loyalty.
I have reported two incidents to SM with no response in over two weeks. Do you think the big websites are knowingly letting it slip underneath the radar as it still remains profitable for both sides (pending a chargeback)?
Just looking to shed some light on the subject so we can keep our eyes open :O
Yep. Chaturbate gets their share.
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Is it legal or just an ethical issue?
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Can someone be a doll and PM me the username(s) of the bots on Streamate? I'm really interested to see !
Thanks!
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I'm not even gonna lie. If I could somehow make clips for that Camdecoy software of myself and pay someone to run it for me I would seriously consider doing it, especially during slow times. Especially if I did mainly vanilla toy shows with mass appeal (I do a lot of fetish/nonnude/highly personalized shows so it wouldn't work too well for me.) I don't really hold it against the "models" who do that (though I know it's generally some guy or a team of guys behind it), I hold the customer responsible. I'm pretty sure I know exactly the kind of customers that are going for this--if I didn't know better I'd swear there are custies on a loop lol. You know, the demanding and yet somehow boring ones that respond to "hey sweetie, what's your name?" with "take off your clothes"? There is no way the customers that I actually like and enjoy performing for would ever be fooled by this for more than thirty seconds or so.
SM is definitely already aware, and apparently has even admitted that it's a "marketing experiment". There are some (very successful) rumored recordings on IML too, I'm sure they're also aware. I consider it just desserts for douchey customers and it cracks me up to think of them getting off to a recording and dirty talking with some guy. :)
However, the people who record girls without their consent and profit off of them are scumbags.
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Streamate have admitted they use the bots as marketing experiments. If an individual model gets caught doing it however, kiss your account goodbye. Unfortunately they only allow ones run by their marketing dept.
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Interesting. I might catch some flack for saying this, but If you're hustling your own room, how in the heck are you aware of what goes on in another's? Don't get me wrong, a lot of us (including me) will check out a model's room occasionally. However, I don't stay long enough to figure out if they are looping or live, and I certainly don't have time to sit there and report them for doing XYZ. I love pretty women, and I also like watching others reach their goals. I however do not care to report them. It's is NOT my business to do so.
I know it sucks ladies, but honestly, it might just be best to stick to your room. I'm not that observant when it comes to other rooms/models. If I'm on live, I'm in my room, and that's that. I feel that sometimes we use EXCUSES for loss of money, on another model. How can that be if you're hustling your own shit? If things are slow for me, or I'm not making sales, unless it's a site/traffic issue, I have no one to blame but myself. Even then, I can buy traffic to boost sales for myself. Please stop blaming other models for the reason why you aren't making money.
All I know is that I'm real, and I'm not a bot. I don't think they hurt my money at all as this is the first time in a while I've even heard of it on an actual live site. I know some skype scammers do it, but I thought customers were smarter than that. Because I greet every potential custy, I don't see how they can get tricked. If a potential custy is in your room complaining about how he got burned from a looping model, he's usually full of shit, or shouldn't be there. You can't sell to someone who's already made up their mind that they won't be buying. He's just looking for sympathy and most likely doesn't plan on buying period. Again, guys who get tricked by loops are on the lowest percentage of customers. Live cam is interactive and as long as I prove that to my custies, I can't got wrong. I care more about custies recording than some bot milking naive custys. I'm more concerned with the sales I make in my own room than some looping camgirlbot. In the words of SweetBrown "Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!"
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Victoria X
playing a video cheats not only those who are working hard, but it also cheats our customers and ruins consumer loyalty.
I can't with this, Victoria. I just can't. Unless the majority of the models on sites sites are playing loops, I don't see how this is cheating those of us who are not. Also, customers who are observant and interactive with us, can't be fooled. Loyalty is individual. If a customer has had shows with you, and you are real and interacting with him, he's going to come back to you. I don't think it will ever get to the point where customers just stop using a site because it's taken over by camgirlbots this isn't yahoo chatrooms. The sites thrive and make their money from live interaction. They would nip in the bud before it got out of control because if it fucks with a model's money, it fucks with theirs.
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Victoria X
I have reported two incidents to SM with no response in over two weeks. Do you think the big websites are knowingly letting it slip underneath the radar as it still remains profitable for both sides (pending a chargeback)?
Why waste your time? Unless someone is doing something to you personally, or is doing something illegal, what's the point of reporting anyone? I find that models who report others tend to spend less time in their own rooms making money, and more time counting the hairs on another model's pussy lips. Please stop. No one likes a tattle-tale. :-X If SM hasn't gotten back to you, they won't get back to anyone else because they only care about the bread you make them. The better we understand this, the better off we will be. :)
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Victoria X
Just looking to shed some light on the subject so we can keep our eyes open :O
Absolutely not. Sites do not pay me to scope out and report the doings of other models. Are you getting paid to be ModelWatch? I'd much rather focus on my own clients, who know I'm real, than "keep my eyes open". No. Just no. Who has time for that? My eyes should stay on my own feed/room and let others fail for their mistakes on their own. I feel like the models who observe the most negativity from others are the ones who 1. Aren't making much money. 2. Jealous as fuck. 3. Again, aren't making much money. Who has time to sit there and stalk the feeds of others? I don't get it.
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The only time I catch these loop feeds is when I'm looking at the "new models" section, because I like to see what's up there on occasion, and I caught one the other day. I was like WOW this girl is HOT and so I was watching for a few mins and suddenly the feed jumped and I was like huh? So I watched for several more minutes and sure enough, it's a fake feed. Once you know it's SOOOOO obvious too. It's the SAME feed day after day, now I just check it for shits and giggles. One day they were actually playing the wrong feed for a different girl who is also a very well known fake feed!
I don't get how guys fall for these, I really don't because it is just SO obvious.
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justanothercamgirl
I know that Streamate knows of at least two bots operating right now. They responded to complaints about one of them saying that they are letting it go on 'as an experiment' if I remember the quote correctly.
I think it's all the same person with a studio of fake profiles doing all of these fake feeds that are allowed to stay because the one I just mentioned in my last post was playing the "one" we all know about the most on this new feed by accident one day.
Wouldn't surprise me if it was Streamate doing it, honestly.
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audritwo
I've just ignored it. When someone comes in my room telling me that I ripped them off on skype. I explain to them I do not skype and That is someone who stole my video.
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Streamate have admitted they use the bots as marketing experiments. If an individual model gets caught doing it however, kiss your account goodbye. Unfortunately they only allow ones run by their marketing dept.
I suspect that incidents of guys using recordings to sell skype shows is only going to increase, for the reason Laurie posted above. It's easy as hell to record cam chicas and doing payments off site is much lower risk for the thieves. Setting aside the recordings that operate with the permission of the sites, if the rest of them get 'caught' (in that the customer figures out it's a fake) all they lose is one cb from one dissatisfied customer, not all the money in their account as would occur if they're busted on a site that only pays out once a week. There is one notorious fake skype chica who's been listed on several sites for years, so listing site owners can be just as lax at enforcing standards as any big box site. Dude runs a bunch of fake indy profiles, some of whom are well known sm and mfc chicas.
it sucks but it is what it is. It is kinda amusing on some level though (lol at some of the satisfied customer comments on MQT's old sm profile), and ultimately recordings can never provide the most essential aspect of cam shows, the personalized human interaction that differentiates us from other forms of digital porn. Those recordings can never provide what we do, so while in my particular niche I do care about guys being tricked and then being turned off the niche, ultimately I don't see the recordings as much of a threat.
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kortneykay
Interesting. I might catch some flack for saying this, but If you're hustling your own room, how in the heck are you aware of what goes on in another's? Don't get me wrong, a lot of us (including me) will check out a model's room occasionally. However, I don't stay long enough to figure out if they are looping or live, and I certainly don't have time to sit there and report them for doing XYZ. I love pretty women, and I also like watching others reach their goals. I however do not care to report them. It's is NOT my business to do so.
I know it sucks ladies, but honestly, it might just be best to stick to your room. I'm not that observant when it comes to other rooms/models. If I'm on live, I'm in my room, and that's that. I feel that sometimes we use EXCUSES for loss of money, on another model. How can that be if you're hustling your own shit? If things are slow for me, or I'm not making sales, unless it's a site/traffic issue, I have no one to blame but myself. Even then, I can buy traffic to boost sales for myself. Please stop blaming other models for the reason why you aren't making money.
All I know is that I'm real, and I'm not a bot. I don't think they hurt my money at all as this is the first time in a while I've even heard of it on an actual live site. I know some skype scammers do it, but I thought customers were smarter than that. Because I greet every potential custy, I don't see how they can get tricked. If a potential custy is in your room complaining about how he got burned from a looping model, he's usually full of shit, or shouldn't be there. You can't sell to someone who's already made up their mind that they won't be buying. He's just looking for sympathy and most likely doesn't plan on buying period. Again, guys who get tricked by loops are on the lowest percentage of customers. Live cam is interactive and as long as I prove that to my custies, I can't got wrong. I care more about custies recording than some bot milking naive custys. I'm more concerned with the sales I make in my own room than some looping camgirlbot. In the words of SweetBrown "Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!"
Other sites, I don't know. CB is easy to tell. Before I sign on I check performer count. You will usually see a www.___ on the video pic. Then if you click on it as I do, it says at the top how many people have reported as a video. How else could I tell on other sites? I could not. I would have to sit in a room for a while and ask the performer if it's real to wave. I say wave because I get that crap often from customers. Anyway, I don't have time for that.