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jeffb
Would you ever do porn?
There are some advantages and disadvantages of doing porno. First it's very good paying. Girls could make up to $1,000-$2,000 a scene for like 4 hours of work. If you're a guy and make it big you could easily make like $100,000 a year doing it. Guys like James Deen, Tommy Gunn, Christian XXX, Manuel Ferrara, Lexington Steele, Erik Everhard. It's fun work. It's not like working at a regular job. All you're doing is acting and having sex. Not hard at all. But the biggest disadvantage of being in porn is it follows you around everywhere. Your face is everywhere to be seen. Further down the line when you choose not to do porn anymore and wish to do another line of work, it will be very difficult. Alot of employers won't hire you if you've done porn. And even things like getting a bank loan might be difficult. Just recently a teacher in California was fired because the school found out about her porn background when they saw some of her movies -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2486138.html
I think it's a good profession to get into....only if you're among the best of the best among the talent pool. Because if you are one of the best you'll be working all the time every day making bank $$$$$$$$ and probably won't have to worry about getting another career. Look at a guy like James Deen. One of the biggest male porn stars around today. He started doing porn ten years ago at age 18 sometimes making up to $20K a month. And now he's worth like a million dollars and he's not even 30 yet and he could probably go on for another few decades doing porn.
Hmmm....I always wanted to direct porn myself. I was interest in creating some of the roughest porn since Forced Entry (1973) and Hardgore (1974) when I was 18. I was more into creating some of that golden age of 70s porn with a plot and everything. But I did one want to do some rough horror porn but I backed out at the last minute when I was 26. It was going to be some weird nerco porn crap from like 5,000 per scene for a private yet perverse businessman with two male friends of mine. But we all back out because I was not sure if I wanted to see myself doing that type of weird material. I mean this stuff was going to be across between Ghetto Gaggers and Friday the 13th series combine. I am glad I did not do that :) If I wanted to be a real porn star, I wanted to do things that are beautiful and wonderful to me :) Plus porn is hard work and tons of marketing.
Re: Would you ever do porn?
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jeffb
Would you ever do porn?
There are some advantages and disadvantages of doing porno. First it's very good paying. Girls could make up to $1,000-$2,000 a scene for like 4 hours of work. If you're a guy and make it big you could easily make like $100,000 a year doing it.
Guys like James Deen, Tommy Gunn, Christian XXX, Manuel Ferrara, Lexington Steele, Erik Everhard. It's fun work. It's not like working at a regular job. All you're doing is acting and having sex. Not hard at all. But the biggest disadvantage of being in porn is it follows you around everywhere. Your face is everywhere to be seen. Further down the line when you choose not to do porn anymore and wish to do another line of work, it will be very difficult. Alot of employers won't hire you if you've done porn. And even things like getting a bank loan might be difficult. Just recently a teacher in California was fired because the school found out about her porn background when they saw some of her movies -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2486138.html
I think it's a good profession to get into....only if you're among the best of the best among the talent pool. Because if you are one of the best you'll be working all the time every day making bank $$$$$$$$ and probably won't have to worry about getting another career. Look at a guy like James Deen. One of the biggest male porn stars around today. He started doing porn ten years ago at age 18 sometimes making up to $20K a month. And now he's worth like a million dollars and he's not even 30 yet and he could probably go on for another few decades doing porn.
It sounds like you are speaking from experience, were those guys gentle with you or did they tear you a new one?
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Already have, some amateur stuff..last one was taken on my phone
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I've done it. Shot about 20 scenes for 3 studies plus 2 photo shoots. For BDSM porn they need guys who are experienced in S&M and not merely male porno actors. So us less endowed men get to live out the fantasy. Lots of fun, I had a great time and got to hang out with some of my favorite doms in a semi-social setting. And it is so so hot seeing yourself in the final edited versions. As far as money I didn't get paid nor did I have to pay. I did have to file 2257s and releases with the studios though. While I'm having a fun semi-amateur experience even though the women were shooting these clips professionally.
You seem to be talking about male talent for mainstream porn. If you look at porn movies you'll see a much more female talent than male talent. The demands on the male performers for mainstream work are very high: large penis, ability to stay erect in a very hostile to erect environment, fantastic orgasm control, willingness to get STDs, experience with the camera, ability to work with less experienced female talent... Male talent gets into the profession only with previous experience which means you have to do something to work your way into mainstream: gay / Bi, BDSM, couples semi-amateur / clips4sale... So if you want to start get some experience in a niche and work towards mainstream.
FWIW while the idea of being a male mainstream porn star may sound hot, it really isn't. I was getting treated well because
1) I wasn't get a check and
2) I didn't consider going home bruised, cut, slashed and burned being treated badly because I'm into that stuff.
If I had been getting a check, for very little money the expectations go way way up. Those same scenes with a women I didn't like and trust would have been very not fun. Having to do fetishes I don't like would have been not fun. When I didn't want to do something I could (and did) just object and that was the end of it. If I was getting paid in a sellers market the whole thing gets a lot more dicey.
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You will get a lot of work the first year (if you are marketable), but after that you pretty much won't make livable income and will need to dance (or feature dance if you're really popular), cam, or escort in order to make livable income. Because the porn world is so flooded with newbies all the time, and there are only so many companies to shoot with (a lot went down when the recession hit). So even getting work once per week after the first year would be difficult.
And a lot of it has to do with how personable you are, and how well you make contacts. No one (company, director, and agent) is going to want to hire you again or get you work if you didn't build a connection with them. So it would only really work out if you genuinely enjoy it and want to be there.
And I'm just talking about females above. With men, IMO, there is honestly no way you would make it in porn unless you knew an already successful female pornstar and she requested to work with you all the time or something. Or if you start out doing gay-for-pay only and then praying you get to branch out into b/g once you build an audience.
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jeffb
Would you ever do porn?
I think it's a good profession to get into....only if you're among the best of the best among the talent pool. Because if you are one of the best you'll be working all the time every day making bank $$$$$$$$ and probably won't have to worry about getting another career. Look at a guy like James Deen. One of the biggest male porn stars around today. He started doing porn ten years ago at age 18 sometimes making up to $20K a month. And now he's worth like a million dollars and he's not even 30 yet and he could probably go on for another few decades doing porn.
I think you've got a very romanticized and ill-informed point of view here. It's been a few years since there was enough real money in porn to prevent most of the performers doing it from having to either strip, cam or escort to make ends meet. With shrinking to non-existent DVD sales and studios going under left and right there is nothing on the horizon to indicate that things will get any better in the future. Add to this the fact that, like it or not, the internet is forever. Even if you don't achieve porn super-stardom those videos will be out there forever, will most likely be discovered by someone you know and will effect your future in a negative way either personally, professionally or both.
I would think twice before quitting my day job if I were you...
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I did once and never again. Contrary to what many think it can be tough work on many levels. You're are having sex with someone you may have never met before and may not be attracted to and the sex may not be fun. You may find yourself doing acts you don't like but are told to do them or go home. You may do a few videos and find out the video is online years from now and all your friends and family saw it. All for the small amount of money. Luckily the one time I did it with a nice handsome man who was a male stripper and also that the company went out of business and they went out of business before DVDs and online porn was common. I am also glad I didn't have to do something I didn't like (though the sex part wasn't fun either).
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no not for me i don't have a problme with porn just not my thing to be in a porn shoot.....being naked not a problem sex with men or women not a problme just not on video............
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Op the porn industry took a rather tough hit. Even now you'll see some of the top porn stars doing cam work, escort, selling their tell all books, stripping and phone. When people could afford their own cameras and were uploading amateur porn that took off and the porn industry with all the people that need to be paid it's just not enough. It's not dead people are still making money but it's no where near what it was years ago.
Also gay/bi porn or even BDSM porn is probably bringing more cash right now.
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I couldn't do it personally. Not because I think there's anything wrong with it... but because I'd be too afraid of someone I know seeing me. A friend of mine had a female friend who did porn. This was back in the days of VHS.... before internet. The woman's parents ended up renting a movie she was in. She told her parents she only did it for the money, and they told her to ask them for money instead LOL. Just not something I'd want to risk... especially with the internet increasing that possibility.
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whirlerz
Already have, some amateur stuff..last one was taken on my phone
Where can we see it?
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I've always thought about it but really have no idea about getting into it. I know there are websites searching for talent but not sure I'd ever take that route. I'd only listen to somebody directly. I don't ever see myself having a job that it could come back and truly haunt me. I'd def go in with a game plan though and try not to be used and abused like I hear some girls experience.
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jeffb
There are some advantages and disadvantages of doing porno. First it's very good paying. Girls could make up to $1,000-$2,000 a scene for like 4 hours of work.
See I never understood this. I've known a lot of girls at clubs who did porn for the money, and as a stripper it makes no sense to me! I usually work Thurs-Sat as my most profitable weekend days and work six hours shifts and pull down between $600-1200 on those shifts. As a stripper, even $2,000 for 4 hours of work does not amaze me. I'm making over $2,000 during my weekend shifts and I didn't have to fuck anybody. Granted, I had to work more hours, but they were probably not as grueling as fucking for 4 hours would be and I wasn't hustling for 18 hours straight anyway.
I would never do porn. $2,000 for a video that will haunt me for the rest of my life? No thanks. When I decided I was going to go into the sex industry the only thing that appealed to me was stripping because it doesn't leave a trail. I don't know where I'm going to be in 20 years and I don't want to be denied a job or promotion because I did porn when I was in my 20s.
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Someone didn't research porn very well. Doesn't pay like you think, especially not now (if you can even get a gig).
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It's been a few years since there was enough real money in porn to prevent most of the performers doing it from having to either strip, cam or escort to make ends meet
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Op the porn industry took a rather tough hit. Even now you'll see some of the top porn stars doing cam work, escort, selling their tell all books, stripping and phone
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Doesn't pay like you think, especially not now (if you can even get a gig).
Absolutely !!! Today's financially successful porn star
A. makes a few 'new meat' porn videos to gain 'boxcover' billing
B. books club feature appearances that pay poorly ( but provide a tax write-off and 'free' transportation to different cities )
C. books 'full service' private sessions with fans in those various different cities, with hotel room 'private session' schedules fitting in between club feature stage performance times.
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Think the others have layed it out best, and again I think one is more looking at the ideal fantasy " top of their game/highest point " aspects. It's a long way to that point, and you only hold that for a very short time before it crashes and crashes hard in a period where the mainstream stuff is not as sought after as much as it use to be. better aspects of it would still be " specialty" things. The straight up vanilla ish main stream hetero " just fucking a hot chick" porn thing is, in my mind a cliche' frat boy mentality pipe dream that very very few will reach. there is alot of crap to cut through, and one needs to really do their homework too because the odds of getting screwed on he business end can be very high too when you go in ill informed.
THat said, no I wouldnt not mainstream. Top reasons? 1) Im married and have been for 9 years now- if Im going to do anything shes goign to have to be involved also, were a team in all fronts. 2) I want to retain MY brand as myself, but not owned by some studio-
I would ( and am) make amateur things for C4s and other things as promotional and such but again retaining my indi. I would consider modeling yes.... I would even be willing to do so in a " simulated" sex spread, that being nothing is getting put anywhere in me but camera makes it look otherwise. THAT is about as far as I would go and even then only after really weighing the pros and cons
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^Yup the only benefit I can see to porn now would be if the porn star wanted to either A. Get into Escorting and make top dollar per hour or B. If she was going to move into camming like MFC top model style. Those are the sites where a fan could make it rain but mainly hope their tokens = in person sex. Still the member in question that tips big and consistently may just get his dream so that's where I could only see that benefit. Plus video sales of porn seems to be part of the MFC profile page in model's rooms these days.
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cherryblossomsinspring
^Yup the only benefit I can see to porn now would be if the porn star wanted to either A. Get into Escorting and make top dollar per hour or B. If she was going to move into camming like MFC top model style. Those are the sites where a fan could make it rain but mainly hope their tokens = in person sex. Still the member in question that tips big and consistently may just get his dream so that's where I could only see that benefit. Plus video sales of porn seems to be part of the MFC profile page in model's rooms these days.
I agree. Unless you plan to escort or cam, there's no real reason to do porn or even nude model. Because it will limit all other careers unless you work for yourself.
Almost all (female) pornstars I have seen that came out in 2010 or after, ended up retiring in 1-3 years after they came out... After they shot with all the companies in their niche. And now they just only cam, or appear to have left the industry (but probably still escort secretly).
The ones that made it more than 3 years who came out after 2010 made it that far because they ended up successfully changing niches one or more times, or they became contract stars. But contract stars are a thing of the past. Supposedly they let go of most of the main ones (like the Digital Playground girls) and made all of them become ~*Manwin contract stars*~ with shitty stipulations that made most of them just completely retire. Contract stars are a thing of the past now, or are about to be.
Even in fetish porn, most of those girls end up being pro-dommes who also escort, feature dancers, or burlesque performers.
Porn is just a vessel to making the money in your REAL business TBH.
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The fact is, these days, the vast majority of porn stars who turn to escorting are not getting much more per hour than escorts who never did porn. The days of getting $1500 to $2000 per hour are long gone. I see these porn girls advertising all over the internet for $500 an hour or less. The funny thing is a lot of them get lousy reviews! Porn and escorting are two different jobs and most girls who get into porn dreaming of dollar signs never imagine that they will wind up in a hotel room with a total stranger and no director to stop the scene when you get tired.
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GlamourRouge
Even in fetish porn, most of those girls end up being pro-dommes who also escort, feature dancers, or burlesque performers.
Porn is just a vessel to making the money in your REAL business TBH.
I'm agreeing with most of what you wrote in the above, especially the idea that shooting porn for femdoms is a vessel for making money in their real business by advertising to the client base. But... unless by "escort" you mean session I'd say the vast majority of women who shoot BDSM porn do not escort. Domination is an interesting industry because the clients who primary want session play have a much better time if the women has skills and equipment to match. A women who say: attends rope seminars, makes her own specialized ropes, buys supports structures for her working studio that can safely support a 300lb man thrashing while suspended ... wants clients who are interested in being tied up by her not interested in fucking her.
Pro-domination since the 1980s has really forked where: fetishy hookers and prodoms are different providers. Women who prodom, and women who shoot BDSM video do not have sex for money. One of things they love about their job is no exchange of bodily fluids. Most prodoms won't even provide "assisted release" (a HJ) as part of their standard offerings. There are some women who have the skills and knowledge to do full on BDSM work and are willing to have sex for money with their clients but they can command a very high hourly rate. First off their rare. But they are rare because this is a complex combination personality traits. Also prodom + sex is much harder than normal escorting because the BDSM forces the provider to be hyper-focused on the client rather than zoning out (a much higher level of intimacy) and the BDSM makes the customer much more emotionally unstable than your typical escort has to deal with.
So while agreeing with almost everything you wrote. Most women who shoot fetish clips don't escort.
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^^^ true enough. However, a common thread runs through all of this. The 'serious' money these days ( where the girls are concerned at least ) does not come from corporate porn companies. It actually comes from direct transactions with customers in exchange for providing 1 on 1 personal 'services'. To that end, the only arguable reason for a girl to get involved with corporate porn companies today is to generate 'publicity' ... which in turn will attract more customers for her 1 on 1 personal 'services'.
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Melonie
However, a common thread runs through all of this. The 'serious' money these days ( where the girls are concerned at least ) does not come from corporate porn companies. It actually comes from direct transactions with customers in exchange for providing 1 on 1 personal 'services'. To that end, the only arguable reason for a girl to get involved with corporate porn companies today is to generate 'publicity' ... which in turn will attract more customers for her 1 on 1 personal 'services'.
Exactly. Porn is going through the same transition the internet has forced on other forms of entertainment / information consumed on the internet. They've had to shift from a sales model to an advertising supported model. And the most effective thing for porn to advertise is the actresses in the movies. I think it is possible that some mainstream studios will still exist. Things like Cinemax's: Femme Fatales, Chemistry, Lingerie... are huge money makers. There is definitely a market for nudity and simulated sex with so/so acting and plots. One could say it is borderline even being porn at all but at the very least it shows an erotica space that's alive and vibrant. I think Cam Girls are making good supplementary money selling their own videos, sort of like bands hocking their own CDs, so there is a commercial market down at the bottom of the market. There is definitely a market for the more extreme stuff (ex. shefights.net). His women make money doing frequent shoots sort of a garage basement version of a Vivid contract girl. I think the producer should be in prison, and I'm very tolerant, so I don't know how sustainable a business model for the most extreme stuff is but unquestionably it has a market.
The adult industry does seem to have a real tendency towards over-expansion. Anyway, I think we all mainly agree. The problem for commercial is once you have people who are producing for free the mainstream has to be much better in some ways. I personally suspect that what we are going to see is a world with a small number of studios that move up market towards erotica with more expensive production values. We are also going to see a large number of studios with actress primarily seeing the movies as advertising. I could imagine that this sets up something like the self publishing industry for books where in say 2024 women have to pay to be in porn movies and subsidize the distribution costs because of the advertising value. :)
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knightwish
I'm agreeing with most of what you wrote in the above, especially the idea that shooting porn for femdoms is a vessel for making money in their real business by advertising to the client base. But... unless by "escort" you mean session I'd say the vast majority of women who shoot BDSM porn do not escort. Domination is an interesting industry because the clients who primary want session play have a much better time if the women has skills and equipment to match. A women who say: attends rope seminars, makes her own specialized ropes, buys supports structures for her working studio that can safely support a 300lb man thrashing while suspended ... wants clients who are interested in being tied up by her not interested in fucking her.
Pro-domination since the 1980s has really forked where: fetishy hookers and prodoms are different providers. Women who prodom, and women who shoot BDSM video do not have sex for money. One of things they love about their job is no exchange of bodily fluids. Most prodoms won't even provide "assisted release" (a HJ) as part of their standard offerings. There are some women who have the skills and knowledge to do full on BDSM work and are willing to have sex for money with their clients but they can command a very high hourly rate. First off their rare. But they are rare because this is a complex combination personality traits. Also prodom + sex is much harder than normal escorting because the BDSM forces the provider to be hyper-focused on the client rather than zoning out (a much higher level of intimacy) and the BDSM makes the customer much more emotionally unstable than your typical escort has to deal with.
So while agreeing with almost everything you wrote. Most women who shoot fetish clips don't escort.
I actually don't think that is true. I used to think that, but if you go to the sites where they advertise, it clearly says DOMINATION: xx amount. DOMINATION + ESCORT: xx amount (that is usually double the price). There are a good amount that do this. And while I know that many dommes look down on this (I'm a domme), there is still a good amount that offer both and charge double the price. Even though their websites say they don't engage in sexual activity, their ads clearly specify domination and escorting.