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I don't think that, as customers, any of us knows the women that we engage in P4P activities with well enough to say that they do or do not engage in multiple activities for pay. I know at least two women that I see as escorts who also maintain separate identities and websites as fetish/BDSM providers. One of them actually has four different sites and five different identities on the internet and everything from escorting to dungeon work as well as both regular and fetish cam shows and even a bit of stripping and bar tending when she's on a break from escorting. As customers we really only know what they want us to know.
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Attachment 36265I will when I am in control of the content, who the "talent" is and all that.. I'd do my own thing!
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GlamourRouge
I actually don't think that is true. I used to think that, but if you go to the sites where they advertise, it clearly says DOMINATION: xx amount. DOMINATION + ESCORT: xx amount (that is usually double the price). There are a good amount that do this. And while I know that many dommes look down on this (I'm a domme), there is still a good amount that offer both and charge double the price. Even though their websites say they don't engage in sexual activity, their ads clearly specify domination and escorting.
If you don't mind me asking what's your dom name? We may know each other from the scene. If you do mind and don't want to tie stripper persona to dom persona no harm no foul.
Anyway I'm not sure how to have this discussion about doms stripping without violating outing rules. The natural way to have the conversation would be to go down various lists like the clips4sale top 50 and go: no, dk, no, yes, dk, no... but we can't do that. So I guess I'll respond more generally. I have trouble believing most of the doms I've shot with or sessioned with would ever want a wide range of men's tongues, fingers and cocks in various orifices. Most of them are kinda kinda germaphobic, very careful about sanitation (good in a dom) and that's not possible for an escort. A lot of them are pretty ignorant about escorting when the topic comes up. For example a dom I play with was shocked how cheap a blowjob is. She was blown away that a women would have my cum in her mouth for less per hour than she was getting paid. I don't think she was faking. Another wanted me to walk her through exactly how to find and buy a HJ / massage (wanted to buy it for boyfriend). I looked at adds following your comment and I'm not seeing many advertising escorting work.
Anyway if you can think of some way of continuing this without running up against the outing rules I'd love to discuss if you've seen a change. But I honestly see things pretty much they way they were 5 years ago.
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yoda57us
I don't think that, as customers, any of us knows the women that we engage in P4P activities with well enough to say that they do or do not engage in multiple activities for pay. I know at least two women that I see as escorts who also maintain separate identities and websites as fetish/BDSM providers. One of them actually has four different sites and five different identities on the internet and everything from escorting to dungeon work as well as both regular and fetish cam shows and even a bit of stripping and bar tending when she's on a break from escorting. As customers we really only know what they want us to know.
@yoda
I have no problem believing an escort would have a different website to attract fetishy customers. Certainly fetishy hookers, are escorts and do exist. But they don't shoot BDSM porn. They lack the skills needed to look good on camera. If the women doesn't know what she's doing the scene is going to come out terrible. If a guy (or a girl) is into spanking porn and the woman can't hit the side of a barn it doesn't leave beautiful marks. It won't be good porn and people aren't born knowing how to aim, how to make the cane come down level....
These women you are talking about do they attend seminars, work in the BDSM scene, have many thousands of dollars in specialized equipment, have years of experience.... My guess is no. Sure any hooker will be happy to pee on a guy and have him suck her feet and jerk off for $250 / hr. But those aren't prodoms, and and they can't make money from customers primarily interested in seeing prodoms... i.e the customers likely to get the advertising benefit from BDSM clips.
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Dommes are acting, like any other performer. It can be an aspect of themselves, but they are still acting and portraying what a typical domme would portray. You would be surprised at girls who work multiple sectors in sexwork are like in each sector. They act completely different. i.e. really subby and innocent on cam, but then IRL they are an escort specializing in boy/girl. Stuff like that. You have to act the part if you want to keep the part.
Many, many, many dommes as well as cam girls and porn stars also escort. Just because a girl is really good at BDSM domme-only and owns a bunch of equipment, doesn't mean she doesn't also offer escorting services on a secret private profile with stock photos, or a secret private escorting profile with stock photos that are not of her. And yes, many of them are very established and have shot for various professional companies like kink.
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GlamourRouge
Dommes are acting, like any other performer. It can be an aspect of themselves, but they are still acting and portraying what a typical domme would portray. You would be surprised at girls who work multiple sectors in sexwork are like in each sector. They act completely different. i.e. really subby and innocent on cam, but then IRL they are an escort specializing in boy/girl. Stuff like that. You have to act the part if you want to keep the part.
Why would they bother with such a strong distinction? I'm kinda a typical prodom customer. I do prodoms to get a good work-over. I do stripper domination when I want domination with more sex and am willing to settle for less skill. Why wouldn't the doms I'm playing with be interested in that money going to the strippers? Or I'd love to do a good bondage dom + full on sex. If the women are just faking the distinctions why bother? It is costing them money, and they know it is costing them money. A prodom could make a lot more from her regulars offering a wider menu of services. We both agree that sex + domination pays really well so obviously guys like it a lot. So what would be the point of creating all these bright lines?
And frankly even if it were just about customer appeal the differences go further. Let's assume the personality differences are a total fake. Every dom I've ever met is college educated, (except for the ones working in dungeons while attending college). I'd say just under a majority have a masters and way more than the typical population that masters is in the arts or psychology / sociology. In my experience most of the escorts don't even have a college degree. I've never met one with a masters from a good school. Strippers are sort of in the middle most of college but few have more than college. Most strippers seem to have business or professional oriented degrees though for obvious reasons a lot of strippers have degrees in dance or performing arts rather than fine arts. Actress or not you can't flip between different types of education in your conversation.
I believe a women can flip between multiple kinds of work. And certainly I know women in the sex industry who do more than one. I know a dom pretty well who does BDSM then moved to porn then dropped the domination and moved to stripping then picked up some escort clients then picked up some prosub work. She seems to have the same playful exploratory excitement in all those roles. So I agree these women exist. I just don't think the women can fake things as much as that. As a customer I think the different types of sexwork naturally draw very different kinds of women. If isn't the customers who are demanding the distinctions it is the providers.
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knightwish
@yoda
I have no problem believing an escort would have a different website to attract fetishy customers. Certainly fetishy hookers, are escorts and do exist. But they don't shoot BDSM porn. They lack the skills needed to look good on camera. If the women doesn't know what she's doing the scene is going to come out terrible. If a guy (or a girl) is into spanking porn and the woman can't hit the side of a barn it doesn't leave beautiful marks. It won't be good porn and people aren't born knowing how to aim, how to make the cane come down level....
You really need to stop thinking that you know everything there is to know about people you don't know KW. Clearly you are into BDSM and, quite honestly, I'm not but you are a customer. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you don't know every BDSM provider that has ever practiced the trade. You didn't write the rule book on what sex workers can and can not do. As it so happens the woman I mentioned with the multiple internet persona does shoot BDSM porn and looks damn good doing it. Now, I will give you this, not all BDSM girls may be able to look good on camera but the fact is a lot of escorts wouldn't look good on camera either. Just because every sex worker can't do video doesn't mean that none of them can. There is more to the world than what one person is aware of. If you want to debate tendencies I would probably agree a lot of the time but there are very few true absolutes in the world and even fewer in the sex business.
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knightwish
These women you are talking about do they attend seminars, work in the BDSM scene, have many thousands of dollars in specialized equipment, have years of experience.... My guess is no. Sure any hooker will be happy to pee on a guy and have him suck her feet and jerk off for $250 / hr. But those aren't prodoms, and and they can't make money from customers primarily interested in seeing prodoms... i.e the customers likely to get the advertising benefit from BDSM clips.
Your guess is wrong in at least one case KW. Again, there is more to many sex workers than what they tell you. As I said, the BDSM world really isn't my thing but I have dinner with a lovely 40ish Asian woman every time I'm in the South Jersey area who is building her kid's college fund as, among other things, an escort, a cam girl, licensed masseuse and a prodom with a private dungeon that she owns, along with a partner, somewhere in a secluded little spot in Pennsylvania. Needless to say the dinner conversation is never dull! As someone else here mentioned, these women are all acting. To assume that they can only play one role is a bit naive.
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yoda57us
You really need to stop thinking that you know everything there is to know about people you don't know KW. Clearly you are into BDSM and, quite honestly, I'm not but you are a customer. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you don't know every BDSM provider that has ever practiced the trade. You didn't write the rule book on what sex workers can and can not do. As it so happens the woman I mentioned with the multiple internet persona does shoot BDSM porn and looks damn good doing it. Now, I will give you this, not all BDSM girls may be able to look good on camera but the fact is a lot of escorts wouldn't look good on camera either. Just because every sex worker can't do video doesn't mean that none of them can. There is more to the world than what one person is aware of. If you want to debate tendencies I would probably agree a lot of the time but there are very few true absolutes in the world and even fewer in the sex business.
I'll give you a simple absolute: I've never met an prodom who looks good doing a BDSM shoot without at least months and generally years of work. They all look sloppy and uncontrolled when they start. None, zero, zip, they don't exist -- if you think they do exist give me a name. Either your escort put in the time to develop the skills she demonstrates during the shoot or she doesn't look good doing it. And that's an absolute. BDSM porn is like watching an equestrian video, or a golf video; either the women has spent the time learning to ride a horse well or she doesn't look good doing it on video. If she does she's a prodom who might trick on the side. If she doesn't then even if she's got a hot bod she's a fetishy hooker appealing to different client interests and not really doing BDSM porn but rather fetishy porn. Which is fine but not the same thing.
By way of analogy same thing for pole work. A girl who hasn't put in the time looks bad on the pole. Looking good on stage takes time and practice, either before she started stripping when she studied / practiced dancing or while she's stripping. No one looks good on the pole who hasn't spent time studying dance.
Of course when I say that prodoms don't trick I'm not saying everyone I'm saying the overwhelming majority don't trick with the overwhelming majority of their clients. As I mentioned to Glamour I know a prodom who escorts. That doesn't change the fact that prodoms and escorts have different personalities and interests and that mostly people who shoot BDSM are prodoms not escorts. I know a physician who prodoms for fun. That doesn't change the fact that the two professions are distinct, most physicians are not prodoms, most prodoms don't have an MD and it would be wrong to conflate the two just because this person exists. There are people born without noses that doesn't make it wrong to say humans have noses.
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I'm not giving you any names KW. Continuing to ask people to reveal names here is not really a good idea. This is not an ISO board and outing is a violation of forum rules. Asking people to out themselves or people that they may know is not appreciated by the folks that this site is primarily intended for-the ladies who work in the industry. Try to remember that you are a guest here.
As far as the issue at hand, your argument is quickly losing steam. First you said that something could not possibly exist and now you are admitting that, with enough effort, it could exist. I've never claimed that any of the women I know working in multiple segments of the sex industry just started yesterday. How on earth did you come to the conclusion that you know more about people I've been friends with for years than I do? Sorry, I just can't take you seriously at this point where this argument is concerned.
I know what I know which is to say I don't know everything. You should try embracing that approach to life. Who knows, you might just learn something...
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The more niches or areas you tap, the more money you make. This is why girls work multiple sectors of sexwork. She can be really good at all sectors, or really bad at all of them.
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I would do porn but ONLY if I knew with great certainty that I would make what the top 3% porn actresses make income wise, I could have say in my partners and how the it's produced, marketed, and sold.
That is an industry like some have mentioned before, there is still a high stigma around porn so the payoff would have to be worth it and I'd only work with the best the industry offers.
If not that then I'd direct and produce porn. Or work to find talent. Something behind the scenes would be cool too.
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If it could be on my terms why not? But I doubt if that would ever happen. I've done the requisite Iphone porn with my boyfriend.
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jeffb
Would you ever do porn?
There are some advantages and disadvantages of doing porno. First it's very good paying. Girls could make up to $1,000-$2,000 a scene for like 4 hours of work. If you're a guy and make it big you could easily make like $100,000 a year doing it. Guys like James Deen, Tommy Gunn, Christian XXX, Manuel Ferrara, Lexington Steele, Erik Everhard. It's fun work. It's not like working at a regular job. All you're doing is acting and having sex. Not hard at all. But the biggest disadvantage of being in porn is it follows you around everywhere. Your face is everywhere to be seen. Further down the line when you choose not to do porn anymore and wish to do another line of work, it will be very difficult. Alot of employers won't hire you if you've done porn. And even things like getting a bank loan might be difficult. Just recently a teacher in California was fired because the school found out about her porn background when they saw some of her movies -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2486138.html
I think it's a good profession to get into....only if you're among the best of the best among the talent pool. Because if you are one of the best you'll be working all the time every day making bank $$$$$$$$ and probably won't have to worry about getting another career. Look at a guy like James Deen. One of the biggest male porn stars around today. He started doing porn ten years ago at age 18 sometimes making up to $20K a month. And now he's worth like a million dollars and he's not even 30 yet and he could probably go on for another few decades doing porn.
You must be willing to suck a lot of dick to make that kind of money. Oh, you are a guy & think, oh only the girls have to suck dick. NOPE, to get hired, to get jobs, you must sick the agents dick, the directors dick & such to get jobs. To keep making money between shoots you will need a few sugar daddies & gay shoots to pay bills. More sucking dick required.
In that fantasy you wrote out about how the porn world operates did you think of how much dick you would need to suck?
Smooches,
Sam
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Love SamG!^ Reminds me of the line in the movie Studio 54, "Shouldn't I be the one taking my pants down?"
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I would do porn but ONLY if I knew with great certainty that I would make what the top 3% porn actresses make income wise
Are you talking in terms of 'porn actress' paychecks ( which maybe comprises 15% of total income ) , or in terms of hourly rate for personal 'service' sessions with fans ( which probably comprises the other 85% of total income ) ?
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As usual , Melonie is right. There is no serious money in porn itself. And not too much in featuring. The REAL money is in camming and escorting.
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Yep I think porn and web cam would be cool but only if the numbers made really good sense. In front or behind the camera.
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Originally Posted by
GlamourRouge
Dommes are acting, like any other performer. It can be an aspect of themselves, but they are still acting and portraying what a typical domme would portray. You would be surprised at girls who work multiple sectors in sexwork are like in each sector. They act completely different. i.e. really subby and innocent on cam, but then IRL they are an escort specializing in boy/girl. Stuff like that. You have to act the part if you want to keep the part.
Many, many, many dommes as well as cam girls and porn stars also escort. Just because a girl is really good at BDSM domme-only and owns a bunch of equipment, doesn't mean she doesn't also offer escorting services on a secret private profile with stock photos, or a secret private escorting profile with stock photos that are not of her. And yes, many of them are very established and have shot for various professional companies like kink.
There's been porn stars that have been Dommes and dabbled in BDSM. Such as Roxy Jezel, Tara Indiana, Mika Tan, Taylor St. Claire, Indigo Augustine.
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Very interesting thread! The only thing I can add is that while a Domme (or Dom) may be acting their true skills are mental. It is the mind fuck more than anything. Some have the aptitude for others it is too much work and they stick to escorting or cam work.
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jeffb
There's been porn stars that have been Dommes and dabbled in BDSM. Such as Roxy Jezel, Tara Indiana, Mika Tan, Taylor St. Claire, Indigo Augustine.
Hi Jeff. This all started with escorting not porn. Anyway in terms of your list.
I know Tara Indiana pretty well. She isn't dabbling in BDSM. She ran dungeons on both coasts for a while and still runs one of the larger ones in LA. She has her own fetish video business. She trains women. She runs extended BDSM seminars for submissive men / couples who are transitioning to the lifestyle. That's ain't dabbling. Also while she many years ago used to be a madam (I'm not outing here she's open about this in writings and interviews). AFAIK she never had sex for money herself, and certainly it has never been a regular part of her career. She's one of the people who was responsible for helping to separate the prodom and the prostitution industries and has worked hard politically to make pro-domination a fully decriminalized activity. I'd say she's a great example of my position.
Similarly Taylor St. Claire came out of the BDSM community and became so big she did some more mainstream work for a while before returning to purely fetish stuff. Mika Tan is interesting in that she went back and forth. But about 85% of her work has been for the BDSM community and she's studied she has skills. I'll call her a dom. If either of those two were tricking that would be an example of what Yoda and Glamour were talking about.
Don't know anything about Roxy Jezel. Indigo Augustine I don't know much about either but I've shot with some of the women from Burning Angel when they do more fetishy stuff. Many of the ones who switch over are part of the BDSM community.
Again the conversation was about escorts not porn stars. But your list of porn stars proves my point. Women who do BDSM shoots as doms have to know stuff and that stuff takes time to learn. They aren't escorts who wake up one day pop up a different website and offer an entirely different service.
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knightwish
Don't know anything about Roxy Jezel.
Here's Roxy Jezel.
https://twitter.com/MistressRoxyJ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxy_Jezel
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jeffb
Here's Roxy Jezel.
Damn. She's super hot. Shabari, saint andrews cross, strap-on, GS, whipping, caning... Sounds like a lot of fun! But if she knows Shabari, canes well, and can single tail.... put her cleanly in the dom column.
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Funny I just came across this! I actually just sent an application to a well known adult modeling agency..and got a call back. I'm a cam girl, but my reasoning for doing this isn't to make money but to get my name out there faster and have high quality content. It's always been a fantasy of mine, and I only want to do G/G for now. I'm not trying to be the next Jenna Jameson but I know that this is really great exposure. I would much rather produce my own content in the long run and make an income from being a "Cyber Girl," but I'm quite alright with taking a few years to do real porn. I'm OK with having my name and face out there, but it's definitely not for those who ever want to work for someone else or are worried about being outed.
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Safado, are you really a safado, as in a Brazilian man who's unfaithful?
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Most start solo or G/G. If you have the attitude that your interested , or can act, youll do better. If you escort, doing B/G is easy, and if you know the scene the director is trying to make, you can get yourself some name dropping by the directors.
Its not Glam, gotta be in that zone ...