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Could I do a toy show in the club?
The club I work at now doesn't have any Champagne rooms but some friends and I are going to work in miami. I know its very common for girls to have sex for money in the clubs down there.
I don't fuck people for money but I want a way to compete with the extras girls down there without being a prostitute. In your opinion is doing a dildo show for a guy the same as prostituting? Would anyone else consider doing this as an alternative way to compete with girls who fuck for money?
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I have absolutely no idea! from all the views (without responding) before I posted I have to assume everyone else is thinking the same thing.
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I would never in a million years be comfortable doing that... but if you're down, ask you manager!
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I wouldn't consider it, no, but if you're comfortable with it, it's certainly an alternative to fucking in the CR. All you can do is ask -- and be ready to share the wealth of your dildo CRs with big, fat tips for the bouncers/management like the extras girls do.
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It just depends. The rumor is that the girls there do bjs for really cheap. Even a toy show won't compete with that. It would be easier for you to sell a girl on girl toy show so you have backup and less pressure to do more than if you were alone in a room with a guy. I hope it turns out better than what they're saying. Legally I don't know if toy shows are considered prostituting in Miami.
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Thats true, I'll have to talk to my friends I'm going with and see if thats something they would want to try. This girl I know who is a clean dancer worked at Scarlet's down there and said that even during regular dances guys would expect extras and if you didn't do things they wouldn't continue dancing with you. She said she only made $300 during a night shift. That amount isn't worth the 5 hour drive to miami for me. Some girls who do private bachelor parties do toyshows so I don't feel like its a big deal. I personally would rather just get paid to touch myself then to have guys trying to touch me and get me to do things to them.
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a toy show is not going to be any competition in the guy's eyes, sorry, i just don't think that's going to fly :/ and are you gonna drag in a whole suit case of dildos before each VIP?
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I see what you mean. I just thought it might be worth a try. If I was to do it I would probably just put one small toy in a little purse/money bag thing.
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Attachment 36275anything short of sex doesnt sell that way!
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That's not going to work. They will probably laugh you out of the club. They want BJ's and sex. You'll be better off trying to dance clean than saying "well I wont fuck you but I'll fuck myself with a dildo if you come to VIP with me".
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performing a live toy show is A. a clear act of prostitution, which, unlike VIP rooms or private dance areas, B. requires the 'collusion' of the club to allow such a toy show to be performed on the club's stage.
As such, unlike dancers taking it upon themselves to perform acts of prostitution in VIP / private club areas ( which still provides 'plausible deniability' for the clubowner ), allowing a live toy show potentially exposes the clubowner to prostitution related charges as well.
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What melonie said. Dildo shows would be prostitution. I'm in ca by the way. I also agree that your dildos are no match to extras.
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Thank you everyone for the input. In response to Melonie, I would only consider doing a toy show in a private cr. Never on stage. I just thought that since theirs guys that sometimes drop lots of money on webcam girls for toyshows online, there might be some guys who just want a to pay to see the same show in person. I think there is a market for guys who don't actually want to have sex but just want to see it. If this weren't true why would men give a webcam model hundreds of dollars when they can go on backpage and get get a prostitute that comes to there house for as low as $80?
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There is NO Way it will work. Guys pay girls on cam rather than hookers, cause a hooker can steal, rob, give you a disease & take forever to show up. Where as a cam girl is there 24/7.
Want to fuck yourself with toys then cam.
The manager, the customer, the bouncers need a good laugh, go ahead & ask.
Seems to me that most clubs have turned into cat houses, ick. Girls who know how to hustle & make money without the extras dont even worry about it, they know they will walk out with bank. My bestie is one of them, she worked in Vegas & had guys tip her majorly without a bj or sex. Her biggest tip was $17,000 but then he did own The Palms. We have hung out at titty bars in Fort Lauderdale with guy friends even fully dressed & not working there she goes into hustle mode & walks out with $300 to $1000 cash. LOL
It would be considered even if in VIP room a LIVE SEX show which is illegal.
Sam
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Thanks Sam, I'm good at getting guys to spend money without having to do any extra stuff, I just work at a small club though and didn't realize the same could be done at the big clubs. I was under the impression that since there's a lot of extras goin on down there girls wouldn't make money without doing extras or some type of gimmick. That makes me feel better though that good money can still be obtained with out doing that.
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NakedNicole
Thank you everyone for the input. In response to Melonie, I would only consider doing a toy show in a private cr. Never on stage. I just thought that since theirs guys that sometimes drop lots of money on webcam girls for toyshows online, there might be some guys who just want a to pay to see the same show in person. I think there is a market for guys who don't actually want to have sex but just want to see it. If this weren't true why would men give a webcam model hundreds of dollars when they can go on backpage and get get a prostitute that comes to there house for as low as $80?
I get what you're saying about there being a market for the toy show thing, but the difference is that when guys pay cam models the guys are watching and jerking off. You doing a toy show in VIP would not provide that (I'm guessing) so it's not as exciting an offer.
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I understand that if you straight up told a guys who are looking to get laid, "Oh all your getting is a toyshow in the Champagne room" The majority of those guys probably wouldn't go for that. I've been reading different posts about how clean dancers never really say what exactly is going to happen in CR. They just say something vague and get their money up front and when they don't put out, its not their fault the guy is unhappy because they never made any explicit promises to the guy. The reason I thought of the toyshow is because I felt like this could be an activity that I could do to distract the guy from the fact that I'm not actually going to have sex with him. After reading the responses I realize that straight up mentioning the toyshow before they committed to buying the room would not be smart. I would love to get a CR where the guy wants to just hangout and talk and do normal dances but i get the impression that most guys will expect more. Do you think saving the toyshow as a last resort would be good idea? For example, you did some dances and then the guy tries to pull his dick out. I was thinking that in this circumstance you could back away from him and say ''oh let me do a show for you." Would this kind of diversion work? Also if you don't make any explicit promises and at some point after getting into the room the guy tries to get you to have sex, can you just walk out and end the session and keep the money? Im not sure if its true or not (cant remember what club she said) but a girl told me that the manager of some club told her that if she tells a customer shes going to have sex with him, she better have sex with him because if a customer complains that a girl didn't hold up her end of the bargain, the customer would not be kicked out, but she would be fired. I would never make any explicit promises to anyone about what is going to happen. But if the guy lies and said I promised specific things will I get in trouble for that? Is this the kind of politics that most big city clubs operate under ?
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^The only time a toy show is really going to work is if you get a fetish guy who just really wants to see a toy show. I did a VIP with a guy a few years ago who had a foot fetish and some serious issues... the whole time I was dancing for him I was rubbing my feet with my hands and yelling at him if he got within a foot of me. He went crazy for it, but would that work 99% of the time? No fucking way.
As for the guy not having to pay for VIP if you promise sex that depends on the club. I work at two different clubs right now that have two different rules... I danced with a guy this weekend who was being really dirty and I started to get annoyed and yelled at him, he told me the mood was ruined and he wanted to leave. He had already paid for it though and tipped me (though not a whole lot) and so I told him he couldn't get his money back, he rolled his eyes and said whatever. But the other club I work at has told me that even if the guy has prepaid that they won't charge him for the dances he hasn't done if you or him end the VIP early.
Honestly though you can get into a REALLY ugly situation promising to fuck someone in VIP and not doing it. I know girls that do that shit all the time but I have seen guys yelling at girls about that on the floor-- normally would a guy want to be explicit about a girl promising to fuck him? probably not, but you never know who you're dealing with, drunk or just a dumb asshole-- and other customers and management overhear and it can affect their reputation and not in a good way. I once danced for a guy and he refused to pay me for like $400 or something and he told management he wasn't paying because I had promised to go home with him and then changed my mind. Well I NEVER promised that, it was a bold-faced lie, but of course management didn't believe me and wouldn't help me get my money back, and the next couple times I had an issue with money they were very iffy about helping me then as well.
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Yea I would never promise anything sexual to happen but at the same time I feel like being 100% transparent and flat out saying "There is no chance in hell I will suck or fuck if we go to CR" will ever end successfully. Would it be too risky to say something like "CR is private so we can have a better time there" or " CR is alot better experience" ? When guys would ask "so what happens in the private dace room?" This one girl would tell him " Come find out, I can show you better than I can tell you." Would this be an appropriate line to use?
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Why are you driving 5 hours each way to work in Miami if you don't want to compete with extras? (Or if you only want to engage in your own weird specific form of extra?)
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^ yeah, why not find a little mid-tier club near you? have you been dancing long, or are you a newbie? i would not be driving 5 hours each way to ANY club unless i could be pretty damn sure i would be leaving with at least 1500+ every night. 5 HOURS? jesus. i used to work in rhode island ( one of the dirtiest states in the whole country, its famous for full service in the clubs), and competing with extras is VERY hard
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Toy shows are not a good idea for a few reasons:
1) It is considered prostitution. Would the money made be worth it if the club got raided and you got arrested?
2) Guys simply wanna get laid. Suggesting a toy show or putting one on is gonna open up a big can of worms. Mainly because they feel like you are inviting them to join in. Even if you tell him no that's not the case, it doesn't mean he won't try to force himself on you because penetration is now in his direct line of vision and thinking. Or you do tell him no, he'll probably get angry and try to get his money back (and might be successful at that depending on the club).
3) If you are going to penetrate yourself in a room, do it for a lot of money. Not just the price of a room. It is an extra, and should be charged accordingly.
For legal and safety reasons, I personally wouldn't go there. There are plenty of ways to get guys into rooms without doing or saying anything illegal.
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I compete with extras at my home club already. If I'm going to be competing for it, I want to go to the bigger places where I'm competing for thousands as opposed to hundreds. Also a bigger club would probably have more selection of customers and money typically flows more easily in bigger citys. Dayshift at my club is typically all the same guys who are there every day with the occasional regular or business guy who is town and will spend. And nightshift has turned into just a hangout spot for broke 18yr olds. I'm sure I could still make good money without doing CR down there but I just thought I'd ask and see if the toyshow would be something worth considering or if it could work to keep guys from tying to do other things in CR thats all.
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In response to simone, I have been dancing two yrs. I normally dance in Cocoa beach. I've only tried dancing at one club in westpalm fl ( couple hours north of miami) once and it had CR but I never went in there. I worked from 9-1am and I consider it to have been pretty bad, I only made $200. Hardly anyone was getting dances. That club was open til 4am I think and managers kept saying that the crowd doesn't come in til after 2am. But no way would I drive 5 hours just to work one night and come back. I was thinking more like staying down there 3-5 days and splitting expenses with my friends.
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Attachment 36287Honestly I think you need a reality check!