To chase them away.. Read here http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/ny...-licenses.html
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To chase them away.. Read here http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/ny...-licenses.html
Sounds like they are really trying to shut down stripping in NYC especially after that judge ruled exotic dancing as not being "artistic enough". I wonder who is paying to get these changes made.
It's important to note just WHERE in NYC the clubs are having their liquor licenses challenged, versus where they are NOT !!!Quote:
Sounds like they are really trying to shut down stripping in NYC
It's very possible that this is part of a co-ordinated effort to 'split' the NYC strip club market into two facets ... upscale show clubs with liquor licenses in 'upscale' areas of the city, and no-alcohol full nude 'extras' clubs in 'less upscale' areas of the city.
Of course this leaves clubs that are operating somewhere in-between as 'easy targets' ... due to limited / declining club incomes. Yanking liquor licenses reduces income potential for these in-between clubs even farther. And when an in-between club closes or goes bankrupt, the club's former customers will provide MORE earnings for the full nude 'extras' clubs, or for the upscale show clubs ... depending on which direction they choose ( or can afford ).
well, corporations have far more money to spend on political contributions and 'lobbying' efforts than an individual club owner operating in a 'less upscale' part of NYC !!! And, of course, show clubs in 'upscale' parts of NYC are receiving far more customer spending than clubs in other areas of the city to finance political contributions and 'lobbying' efforts.Quote:
I wonder who is paying to get these changes made
After all, consider just where in NYC a few new clubs have recently opened up ... to an arguably lower than expected level of income ! If the overall pool of strip club customers / customer dollars is not growing, the only way for a 'new' club to increase their income level is to latch on to customer money ( formerly ) being spent in different clubs.
I'm quoted in this article :O LOL
^^^ thank God they interviewed a dancer with some 'common sense'. As part of the last few NY media blurbs re strip clubs, they always quoted some dancer telling the NY state and NY city tax agencies that they typically earn $3000+ per night !!!
thats so fucked up!! I've never worked nude in ny (just topless) but I've worked nude and topless in a bunch of other cities and the nude ones are always the ones that attract tons of pimps, fights, etc. topless with alcohol is always more mellow, in part because the $$ from the alcohol and the staff that is required to distribute it means that there are tons of staff members always wandering around keeping people in check! at the no alcohol clubs its like one bouncer and one manager asleep in the office lol.
LOL, well I learned all about the zoning laws from SW. Most girls wouldn't know ANYTHING about it. She was surprised I was so informed. Even asked me why I knew so much about it. I think you should know what's going on in your industry. What I did notice from the article, is the clubs/areas that are being targeted are notoriously bad areas of NYC. Areas I would never step foot in. Manhattan isn't being targeted but it is true, that you can't really open a NEW strip club unless that space has already been being used by something adult related. Either way, I think we have enough strip clubs in Manhattan. 14 is enough, to me.
I didn't read the article but as far as NY clubs being denied liquor licenses, it doesn't matter much.
There's a club called Show Palace that was denied a liquor license. I went there with a guy, we walked in, he went over to a bouncer, he gave him some money and came back to our table with a water bottle filled with vodka. It was that easy. Liquor license or not, hard liquor still flows in these clubs. Plus I think they sold wine or champagne, I can't remember which. So the club gets to be nude since it's supposedly a juice bar, and the customers get to buy liquor, just not at the bar. Win win for everybody.
Show Palace was mentioned in the article ^^
... right up to the point of becoming a lose, lose !!! In New York, being busted for illegal liquor sales is a felony, cannot be 'blamed' on club staff or dancers ( the way that 'extras' can ), and is highly likely to result in the club being permanently closed down.Quote:
So the club gets to be nude since it's supposedly a juice bar, and the customers get to buy liquor, just not at the bar. Win win for everybody.
But agreed that, for certain clubs in certain areas with certain 'connections', a business model that routinely involves breaking the law is very lucrative and presents very low actual risk of a bust. And this brings us full circle back to my earlier point ... that the apparent 'future' of NYC strip clubs will be A. 'corporate' Manhattan show clubs appealing to upscale customers, B. downscale but 'connected' clubs located in certain other areas ( i.e. 'Ho Palace' ) appealing to customers wanting maximum 'bang' for their buck, and C. nothing left in between !
Just like everything else, the "middle" class is dead.
^^^ for better or worse, the economic 'problems' being experienced by 'middle class' American workers directly transfers to reduced 'discretionary income' being available to 'middle class' strip club customers. Thus, arguably, upscale show clubs that are able to appeal to the 'top 10%' of American earners still have a high amount of customer spending dollars. Also, arguably, downscale 'extras' clubs can appeal to 'middle class' customers who don't have much 'discretionary income' available by offering them something which these customers consider to be 'worth more' to them than making their rent or utility bill payment on time at the end of the month.
But that leaves in-between clubs attempting to appeal to 'middle class' customers, but NOT offering those customers 'extras' in exchange for their rent / utility bill money, with a disappointing dancer earnings potential. The clubowner of such clubs isn't 'feeling' this reduction in 'discretionary spending' budget as badly as the dancers ... since the club still collects cover charges, the club still sells ( minimum ) drinks, the club still collects house fees from dancers etc. But as customers stop coming to in-between clubs, the clubowners WILL feel the pain. Piling on the revocation of the club's alcohol license is likely to accelerate the 'exodus' of existing in-between club customers, thus reducing club cover charges, drink profits etc. Add in rising property taxes and utility bills for the clubowner, as well as a likely 'exodus' of popular dancers who must now find another club in order to maintain their earnings potential, and revocation of an in-between club's alcohol license may very will precipitate a bankruptcy filing by the club.