Letting custies touch your boobs?
OK, at most clubs I've worked at customers are not allowed to touch you anywhere in the bikini area. However at my new club there seems to be a lot of gray area. I was never told any "touching rules" and every regular customer that got a dance with me just expected that he could grab my boobs. I'm used to being asked so I have a chance to turn them down or the occasional drunk asshole going for it...but these guys weren't drunk and just EXPECTED that it was totally fine. They were surprised when I told them No, you can't do that. They also wouldn't get more dances with me after I wouldn't let them feel up my boobs. We a have a bouncer in the dance room to "keep an eye on things" but it's dark and there are curtains around every couch so it's kinda hard to see what's going on. I never had the bouncer try to intervene.
I'm thinking the girls here are just fine with it and the managers/bouncers turn a blind eye. I'm also wondering what the laws are regarding this. I live in Illinois near Chicago. I've been told at some clubs it's considered A-Okay and others it's borderline prostitution and not allowed. How much touching do your clubs allow and is it considered an "extra" in your club or just normal? I'm not trying to be judgmental but I don't think I can work there if that's the norm. I'm just not comfortable with it..Although I admit it didn't traumatize me..just annoyed me more than anything. I felt like I swatting flies away from my tits all night.
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There were a couple of clubs where I worked where boob touching during a regular dance was expected. Then there were others where it wasn't allowed on the floor but more contact was expected in the vip. There were a couple where no touching was allowed at all
No ideas on the local laws though.
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What I mean to say is even if they didn't tell you the rules (and sometimes even if they did say no touching allowed) they'll all have different club norms. I've worked a lot in the nyc area and what one club down the street does would be different from another nearby club.
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At some clubs here in PA boob touching is norm for a LD but not for me! Mine are big, fake and expensive and are treated as such. They wanna touch my prized assests they can get a CR (1hr minimum) + tip.
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is it technically allowed at my club? no. does it happen? yes. i don't like it .. but like you said it doesn't traumatize me. its not ideal but pussy grabbing is much worse for me personally.
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I don't know what the laws are for your city but in LA is was expected and the norm. I don't really care if customers touch my boobs, I just will NOT let them touch my nipples with their fingers or their lips, it just totally grosses me out and makes me uncomfortable. I would say about half my customers there touched my boobs without asking, most were more interested in grabbing my bum (my boobs are pretty small so there's not a lot to grab). If you didn't let custys touch your boobs there you weren't going to get dances because EVERY girl allowed a customer to do it. Some required a tip but I just preferred to give them a really good dance and try and get tipped afterwards, I usually made more money that way.
If you decide that it's not for you and you are just competing with two many girls offering that service and can't make money I would suggest moving to a different club.
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I work in a very high mileage city which is officially no contact according to our bylaws. The reality is that bylaw doesn't care what goes on in the clubs unless drugs are involved, and management just doesn't want them touching between the legs or any sex acts, so boob touching is a given. I've only ever seen one dancer refuse to allow it and she was happy to be making anything over her house fee. She ended up leaving after a few weeks because it just wasn't worthwhile for her to spend her time swatting people away and not making much money.
Honestly, your options are to either leave or suck it up, knowing that you will either have a low earnings ceiling since it sounds like boob touching is a given in your club, or get used to customers touching your tits. IMHO you should find a different club since you've encountered some where boob touching is straitly not allowed, so I think you'd be significantly more comfortable there and also able to make more money.
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depends on location,
if i never let anybody touch my boobs i would be broke and out of the business,
i am not surprised they don't want more dances if they can't at least feel your boobs, i wouldn't pay to sit and just watch either, they can do that at the stage for free
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The rules may vary greatly depending on the area, the club, the timing, and the dancer. However, that is not always the case. I had a similar experience as you, OP, in an NYC area club not too long ago. A guy I was dancing for said that he can take me to a short (15 min) room, but only if I agree to him fully grope and lick my boobs. I said no because this directness was very intimidating and offensive especially to someone who has worked in a stage only club for years, and the guy got very frustrated and rude in return. A 15 minute room offer also sounded like it was not worth it for something like that anyway. Not even 10 minutes later he went to do that same type of room with someone who was very vocal about never doing any kids of extras. That's when I understood a lot of things.
It all comes down to your personal comfort levels. Although, whether boob touching is normal or not in a club, it should definitely be worth your time.
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The reality is that bylaw doesn't care what goes on in the clubs unless drugs are involved, and management just doesn't want them touching between the legs or any sex acts, so boob touching is a given. I've only ever seen one dancer refuse to allow it and she was happy to be making anything over her house fee. She ended up leaving after a few weeks because it just wasn't worthwhile for her to spend her time swatting people away and not making much money.
Honestly, your options are to either leave or suck it up, knowing that you will either have a low earnings ceiling since it sounds like boob touching is a given in your club, or get used to customers touching your tits
^^^ exactly ^^^ ! Welcome to the 'new normal'.
Again, stripping away the sugar coating, it's somewhat fortunate that club customers are 'only' expecting to touch your boobs in exchange for their private dance money !!! In an increasing number of clubs, expected contact levels now extend 'below the belt'. And, as Shanna already pointed out, dancers attempting to 'persevere' under such conditions, without providing similar contact levels as other dancers willingly provide, aren't likely to be able to earn enough money to justify the time and aggravation.
Ironically, from a technical legal standpoint, in most jurisdictions there isn't much of a distinction between a paying customer being allowed to touch a dancer's breasts, a paying customer being allowed to touch a dancer's crotch, or a paying customer receiving a HJ, BJ or FS. All could be technically construed as the dancer accepting payment in exchange for 'sexual contact' - which is the legal basis for a prostitution charge.
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I would never let any customers touch my boobs. That's a personal boundary for me.
I always say something like "You're welcome to touch my back, legs, and butt." I don't even bring up the boob-touching thing unless they bring it up, in which case I explain that I prefer not to have those touched.
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i also do not allow it. too personal for me, and i don't want my tits sagging between my knees before i'm 35 because i've allowed a bunch of cheap jerk offs abuse them.
i use the "random girl at the bar" situation to explain my reasoning to customers (if they want one at all--usually they don't try, and if they do i correct them and they usually apologize and leave it at that). but basically i'll say, "would you spend $20 drinking with some girl at a bar and expect her to let you touch her tits?" it seems to register well with them.
my dances are slow and sensual of course, and i do use some of the tips from hustle hut to extend them, and i have done just fine in clubs where hand jobs in the VIP were the norm--perhaps even than some girls i used to work with who let guys finger them sitting right next to me. long hair helps block the view of shit like that, but it all comes down to how well you captivate their attention.
if your club is high volume enough with these sorts of things going on, you could still make money just because people there don't know you. but if it's dominated by regulars who expect this, then i would move on. i did.
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countcrabula
i also do not allow it. too personal for me, and i don't want my tits sagging between my knees before i'm 35 because i've allowed a bunch of cheap jerk offs abuse them.
i use the "random girl at the bar" situation to explain my reasoning to customers (if they want one at all--usually they don't try, and if they do i correct them and they usually apologize and leave it at that). but basically i'll say, "would you spend $20 drinking with some girl at a bar and expect her to let you touch her tits?" it seems to register well with them.
my dances are slow and sensual of course, and i do use some of the tips from hustle hut to extend them, and i have done just fine in clubs where hand jobs in the VIP were the norm--perhaps even than some girls i used to work with who let guys finger them sitting right next to me. long hair helps block the view of shit like that, but it all comes down to how well you captivate their attention.
if your club is high volume enough with these sorts of things going on, you could still make money just because people there don't know you. but if it's dominated by regulars who expect this, then i would move on. i did.
I'm glad I'm not the only one! I try to make it clear to customers that I 'enjoy' it when they touch my legs/back/butt to take focus away from my boobs (and I'm small-chested, so it's not like they're the main focus of my dances anyway). That way, customers stay focused on areas where they 'know' that I 'enjoy' being touched, and it feels more like a mutual interaction instead of some weird, one-sided rapey situation. Like countcrabula, I also give slow & sensual dances.
I have always been a top earner, regardless of region and club tier.
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I would never let any customers touch my boobs. That's a personal boundary for me.
I always say something like "You're welcome to touch my back, legs, and butt." I don't even bring up the boob-touching thing unless they bring it up, in which case I explain that I prefer not to have those touched.
I don't mind them touching my butt either as long as they don't get too close to my crotch. I don't mind if they spank it either. I used to have a regular that would do half hours with me every week or so for a spanking session. He never touched anywhere else, just wanted to spank me for 30 minutes lol. Easy $. Still not sure how I feel about boob play. I'm married and feel that it's crossing a boundary. If I were still single I might let it slide for some customers in VIP as long as I'm getting paid a lot...but $30? No.
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I don't mind them touching my butt either as long as they don't get too close to my crotch. I don't mind if they spank it either. I used to have a regular that would do half hours with me every week or so for a spanking session. He never touched anywhere else, just wanted to spank me for 30 minutes lol. Easy $. Still not sure how I feel about boob play. I'm married and feel that it's crossing a boundary. If I were still single I might let it slide for some customers in VIP as long as I'm getting paid a lot...but $30? No.
Yeah. Boob play would fuck me up mentally really quickly. And I'm asexual! That area just feels far too personal for random customers to be touching.
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In most clubs there are the rules and then there are "the rules." My club is technically an air dance club, with management even saying that any contact during lap dances is a fire-able offense at our last meeting. All the girls looked confused and were like "WTF?" Then the club goes to great lengths to make the VIP dances as private as possible, so that rule breaking is difficult to detect. There is a 4ft pony wall separating the dance area from the main room, with opaque drapes that go all the way to the ceiling. There are more drapes and pony walls to separate each couch, and the lighting is really, really low. Either management is delusional about what goes on in VIP or they are covering their asses in case we get caught crossing the line. I'm going with the latter.
Having said that, you can pre qualify your customers before the dance begins by asking them how often they like to get dances at your club. If they have never been to your club before, laying out the rules for dances shouldn't be an issue. If they are regulars, they will know how far they can push the boundaries based on past experiences. It sounds like touching is common at your club, so you may just have to go with it if you want to make any money.
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What I never got was letting people touch boobs for a cut of $10-15? Really?
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^ My friend did that at Deja Vu Sactown and doubled her money.
I allow it because it's standard at my club, and also because if a guy wants to sit there and kill 2 minutes of the song just grabbing them, that's less work I have to do. It's also really easy to sell another song if they've got tits in their hands when one ends.
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In most clubs there are the rules and then there are "the rules." My club is technically an air dance club, with management even saying that any contact during lap dances is a fire-able offense at our last meeting. All the girls looked confused and were like "WTF?" Then the club goes to great lengths to make the VIP dances as private as possible, so that rule breaking is difficult to detect. There is a 4ft pony wall separating the dance area from the main room, with opaque drapes that go all the way to the ceiling. There are more drapes and pony walls to separate each couch, and the lighting is really, really low. Either management is delusional about what goes on in VIP or they are covering their asses in case we get caught crossing the line. I'm going with the latter.
Indeed, more 'new normal'. On the one hand, clubowners know that in today's difficult economy it's nearly impossible for a 'clean' club to operate in the black based solely on the amount of money customers are willing to spend on 'clean' dances, thus clubowners tacitly allow 'extras' and happily collect the club's cut of the additional 'extras' based private dance sales. On the other hand, the club wants to officially be on record as following the letter of the law, so that if / when the club is busted all of the negative consequences can be shifted to the dancers.
arguably this situation leads to ...
- a win / win for the clubs, since they get to bank additional income with essentially zero bust risk for club management
- a win / lose for 'extras' dancers, since they get to bank additional income with some bust risk
- a lose / lose for 'clean' dancers, since they DON't get to bank additional income while also facing some ( bogus ) bust risk.
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when i danced sometimes i would let some not everyone touch my boobs .....just depended on who they were and how much i got into a lap dance......between the leggs was not happening.........
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I don't mind when they are grabbed, but I get extremely grossed out when dudes try sucking on my nipples!! Guys try to do that so many times, that it totally ruined it for any guy that I'm actually with… which sucks because I actually used to love it! TMI, I know. lol And then when guys pinch them HARD with their fingers? Yeah, no. I let it slide sometimes when I first started (the touching my nipples with their fingers, not their lips. Again, ew), but I think I've let my boundaries get crossed so many times that that shit just ain't happening anymore.
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Most of the time I don't even take my top off during dances at my club they don't ask me to do that which is wierd because almost all the other girls give like super full contact in a thong lap dances. If a hot guy buys a VIP band and has spent atleast a decent ammount of money ill take my top off. Touching only happens when im tipsy and im actually attracted to a guy.