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Are you sure there is no contact at all in the champagne rooms? Like a girl would actually get fired for giving a normal, American-style lap dance?
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This might sound really bad but a lot of the times I do say things like "it's so much more private and we can get super naughty" blah blah
i never say there is no contact or even give them that impression
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Well I mean obviously I don't say "there's no contact" outright, but it's non of these guys first time, they know there's nl contact, so I feel like the "we can get friskier in there" line doesn't really work the same way it did in LA. I feel like I need another way to entice them to spend.
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Well I sold two of them tonight! So proud of myself :) mayor victory as I've never sold CRs before. I found it's just a bit of luck and appealing to a group so they can split the champagne charge, instead of appealing to one guy.
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Well I sold two of them tonight! So proud of myself :) mayor victory as I've never sold CRs before. I found it's just a bit of luck and appealing to a group so they can split the champagne charge, instead of appealing to one guy.
This is one of my tactics. Having to learn quick now that I am in a club w/ a more workable VIP setup, but if I think the group likes me as well as my main customer, I suggest splitting the cost of the room. I also consider the possibility of them balking when I bring up prices & try to do so earlier in the pitching stage.
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^Yeah, it definitely works better! Even splitting the cost of champagne with 2 guys brings it down to an more reasonable price to sell... and it's easier when you're in CR anyway with a group, it's just pure talking here at this club (you only do one dance while in CR and you're clothed the rest of the time) so it's definitely easier to pass the time with a few guys than just one on one. Also, I found out that once they buy the bottle of champagne (the champagne is more expensive than me-- I personally find that a little insulting!) the room is theirs for however long they want it and they only have to pay 100 pounds every half hour for me, so using that as a sales tactic worked as well.
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I find that a lot of the older threads are pretty relevant since nothing revolutionary has happened in terms of what VIP/CR is. There was a really good thread started by Laurisa about hustling different customer types -- how to identify and how to tailor your pitch -- sort of like the DancerWealth colours, but it spoke to me a lot more. I'm on my phone so I can't look it up right now, but I will try to remember to come back and post it when I'm on a computer, along with some other threads that I've found helpful!
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I felt the best technique s were found in Dance World How to Make it Yours by Carmen Monique. It also has how to do an hour room along with how to tell if a guy will spend money in one sentence.
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I felt the best technique s were found in Dance World How to Make it Yours by Carmen Monique. It also has how to do an hour room along with how to tell if a guy will spend money in one sentence.
Based on the consistency of "Carmen Monique" in your posts, it sounds like you have a vested interest in promoting her product.
Our forum has an advertising section that you may use for that purpose: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/fo...2-Market-Place
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This is Laurisa's thread that I mentioned: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...e-in-the-clubs It's about hustling in general, but it's truly golden advice for selling either dances or CR/VIP in the club. I've pulled my favourite bits from the post into a note on my phone so I can read through them when I need a pick-me-up during my shift.
Other great threads:
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...7-VIP-hustling The "You get to spend a whole 15 minutes with me for only $150." is a real gem of a line.
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...n-the-vip-room More great advice on wording your spiel
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...-VIP-Customers Similar sort of thread to Laurisa's but written specifically about selling VIP to certain types of customers (businessman, etc.)
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...o-Contact-Club A few good tips on upselling in a no contact club
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Thanks for posting those Shanna, they were great. I'm making a note to send to my phone so I can look it over at work (I have some of the stuff from the thread you started in a note already actually!)
Do you think it's better to just start with the CR sale or to offer the dance first? I realized with one of my customers that did a CR on Saturday that I almost fucked myself out of sale by giving him the dance option-- he was a college student and I figured there was no way he was going to be able to afford a CR, but he really wanted to go to the CR and just needed to split he cost of the room with his friend. I was pushing the dance and he was the one that brought up the CR and asked me to convince his friend (which was easy as pie to do lol) but if he hadn't mentioned it I never would have sold it! I'm thinking maybe I should just try selling a CR to every customer and if they turn it down, then say OK how about we just do a dance then? Since my "naked California girl" line is working so well I guess I could just change it a bit to "how would you like to have a naked California girl all to yourself for an hour?" (seriously, it's amazing how much being a Californian works to my advantage, lol!)
My next challenge, now that I think I'm starting to get the hang a bit of selling the CR, is extending-- cause I couldn't get either of the groups I was with on Saturday to do that. I'm a little lost as to what to do once I get in there, lol.
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I would offer the V.I.P first then dance after.
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I often do not even bring up the table-dance option. Since those are done on the main floor in full view of every1 I figure there is no point to mentioning the obvious, & cut right to the chase(CR). I also read a sales tip sm where on SW that advises against giving too many options as it can bring on a kind of overload & cause the customer to shut down.
Depending on the vibe I get from the customer I will either start w/ the middle CR option & go up the price list (to more expensive) or start w/ the 2nd most expensive option & work down to middle or least expensive.
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I wonder if you could draw their attention more to the time they'd get with you and have the price enter the conversation only after they've decided they want x minutes or xx minutes. "I'd love to spend some private time with you. Would you like to start with just a few minutes of private time, or have a longer block of uninterrupted time?" This assumes the sale by giving them only two options: one less expensive and one more expensive: it should at least guarantee you a dance, if not more. Just a thought. :)
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I often do not even bring up the table-dance option. Since those are done on the main floor in full view of every1 I figure there is no point to mentioning the obvious, & cut right to the chase(CR). I also read a sales tip sm where on SW that advises against giving too many options as it can bring on a kind of overload & cause the customer to shut down.
Depending on the vibe I get from the customer I will either start w/ the middle CR option & go up the price list (to more expensive) or start w/ the 2nd most expensive option & work down to middle or least expensive.
I agree, it's just against the way that I've always worked-- I've always used dances as a way to pull them into VIP, but I feel like that doesn't apply here since VIP has absolutely nothing to do with dancing at this club (I didn't even end up dancing for the young guy I mentioned earlier, I just fluffed his ego the whole time by telling him how sexy his accent was, how smart he had to be for studying engineering, how charming he was, blah blah).
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I agree, it's just against the way that I've always worked-- I've always used dances as a way to pull them into VIP, but I feel like that doesn't apply here since VIP has absolutely nothing to do with dancing at this club (I didn't even end up dancing for the young guy I mentioned earlier, I just fluffed his ego the whole time by telling him how sexy his accent was, how smart he had to be for studying engineering, how charming he was, blah blah).
I'm honestly floored that anyone buys these CRs. Usually CRs come with a group of benefits - more private, more booze, more contact, more skin showing, etc. I'd be pissed as a customer to get back there and not even be receiving dances. It seems very odd to me.
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It's just the way it works out here, Charlie. I mean there's not one club here that allows any kind of contact when you're undressed, they get a little more at the clubs versus the pubs, but it's so strict here if I can't even put my hand on their chair because that's 'getting too close to the customer' (I was told I needed to "cut my dirty dancing" when I leaned over a customer with my dress on). Honestly I'm amazed that these men enjoy me giving them lame-ass air dances, but I can tell from the expression on their faces that they do! I guess if you don't any better then it seems pretty cool, I don't know, personally I wouldn't spend 500 for a half hour but whatever (and I think that comes across on my sale so I definitely need to work on that). But it's definitely a different vibe here than it is LA, when I was in LA VIP was all about giving them the sexiest experience possible without crossing the line into extras, whereas here it's more about giving them a party and hanging out. I of course offered that guy I took back to CR a dance-- I did two CRs that night and the first guy took me up on it, but I only danced for one song in the whole CR-- but he turned me down and said he just wanted to cuddle. The only thing he was disappointed about was he wanted me to sit in his lap (clothed) and I told him I wasn't allowed to do that. The CRs are more private though-- there are no private 'single' dances here, you either buy a CR or you get a dance on the floor in front of everybody-- and of course they get the champagne.
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Audrey - there are a couple of London clubs that do lap dancing , just FYI . Platinum lace, spearmint rhino and strings do . Xxx
I worked at Strings and they were the ones that told me I couldn't even lean over a customer with my dress on because that was considered "dirty dancing"... I don't know, perhaps we have different definitions of what a lap dance is, lol? I've worked in 5 places now, 3 pubs (Browns, Horns and Metropolis) and 2 clubs, and at the club I'm at now and Stringfellows the contact has been the same. I would say Metropolis was the strictest place, you couldn't even put your leg up on the damn couch there it was ridiculous, and unless you were in VIP you couldn't do any floor work.
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That's so weird! The whole point of a VIP at my club is constant/unlimited dancing or at least having the girl naked for as long as you want!
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^are you allowed to sit with them naked? I haven't been able to do that anywhere I've worked. You either dance 2-3 feet from the customer naked or you sit with them and cuddle with your clothes on. I guess the guys prefer me sitting with my clothes on because at least they get some contact that way.
I don't know, personally, I love it. After five years of fending off guys trying to stick their fingers up my vagina, grabbing my breasts/my ass, attempting to make out with my and stick their tongues all over my face/boobs, it's a real treat to get paid 200 pounds an hour to sit and drink champagne in a dress. Even the table dances here don't bother me and actually make me quite happy that I'm getting paid almost the same as I was in LA for a contact dance, I love doing air dances and now that I've gotten used to them I really don't know if I could go back!
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Yeah you can sit with them but there's still no contact
So even if you're half an inch next to them it's fine
Also two girls can't be naked at the same time
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That's so weird that the clusb here vary so much, cause it was the same at all 5 clubs I worked at, if you sit with the customer you have to be clothed. I sat with a customer naked my first night I worked at Browns, omg I thought the girls were going to come after me with burning torches and pitchforks, I had like 3 of them yell at me "YOU CAN'T SIT WITH A CUSTOMER NAKED! YOU HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING ON!!!!" At the one I'm at now the girls can't touch each other when they dance which is the only thing that's different-- at the other four I worked the girls were allowed to touch each other during the dances, like you couldn't eat each other's pussys out or anything, lol, but you could touch each other sensually and whatnot.
GypsyLace- when were you there? Maybe I just got a really strict manager? I dunno, he was a total control freak, telling me I had to change my hair, dress, couldn't use fake tanner, etc, it was one of the biggest reason I quit so maybe he was just giving me shit, but he sent the house mom over to talk to me and it was honestly kind of humiliating to be called out for being a whore when all I was doing was leaning over a customer. But there was definitely not contact allowed there, so if you got a girl to touch you (which would be what I consider a lap dance) you must be really sexy for her to break the rules! lol ;) The only time I mind air dancing is when my thighs start to burn from shaking my ass around a customer's lap... there are definitely some moments when I want to say fuck it and just let my ass fall over in his lap from exhaustion! lol
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Yeah you can sit with them but there's still no contact
So even if you're half an inch next to them it's fine
Also two girls can't be naked at the same time
Is this in Hammersmith?, I know in Euston the V.I.P was quite dirty, the ones downstairs, and 2 girls were allowed to get naked together.
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Yeah in Hammersmith
Euston is no where dirty (anymore...I've heard stories lol)
They watch the cameras and how you dance (the house mum stands there and watches. It's quite weird tbh) so there's no way girls can try to get away with anything
At Euston she told me off for touching my boobs when they've never said that to me at Hammersmith