How clean is "clean" in VIP/CR these days?
Let me start by saying that I am WAY off my old game. I haven't been able to work consistently in the last two and a half years, with the exception of last summer, so I had been focusing my hustle on fast sales when I did get to work. It just made more sense to me to focus on doing 10+ quick, easy, and potentially upsellable $20 LDs than to pray I can build enough rapport with a customer to sell one $200 half hour VIP. Before, I usually focused my hustle on cementing regulars when I was specifically trying to sell VIP/CR. Now, I'm back to not dancing at all for the next year. During this time off, I don't just want to continue deteriorating. I want to try and learn as much as I can, just like before I started dancing.
Before, I was pretty much clean in my opinion. Guys were not allowed to touch/lick/suck/etc any part of the T&A or genitals, not allowed to lick or suck any part of me, no pulling their dick out. I would call myself moderate, one way contact because I would do a lot of grinding and touching outside their clothes. Most of my time in VIP/CR before was spent cuddling and talking except for a few songs at the beginning and end of the time unless the customer wanted me to dance to a particular song. From the impression I've been getting lately over in blue, though, maybe I was a little too clean for this day and age?
Let's be honest, girls. What is the current idea of "clean" in the VIP/CR now? What actually constitutes an "extra" besides the obvious suck-and-fuck routine? What do YOU do in VIP/CR, and should I consider doing it myself when I return to work?
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Sounds like you operate pretty much like I do. No T contact (tho A a bit unless they got too bold) & crossing of boundaries results in terminating the dance. I am also not above smacking them or worse if they try to get forceful.
I can tell you that my unwillingness to put up w/ bullshit has cost me dances/rooms & even gotten me stiffed. If you do manage to get a guy back there def get paid upfront, since IME once the club has their cut you will not be sided w/ even if the customer was trying to push you toward smtg illegal.
I very rarely do vague lines trying to sell VIP, unless they are stone-drunk to the point where it's more abt how I said it than what I said, & I flat-out tell them no dicks, no mouths, no orifices, keep their grubby mitts in PG places plz. I don't want to bait&switch the wrong customer & get into trouble. Yes I am a fking prude of a stripper.
I still generally made decent $$, & again always get paid upfront do even if he feels 'cheated!!!' That you won't do XYZ in the back, well tough. May also be the particular club or the general area. I did better I think in DC bc customers generally know it is no contact, as opposed to TX where in comparison (& sm times reality) anything goes, or central FL in areas where cops were paid-off by clubs :ill:
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In my club, I'm a "clean" dancer because I don't let customers suck my nipples or touch my pussy. In a club 10 minutes away, I'd be "too clean" because I wouldn't be allowing those things. In a club at the other end of town, I'd be "dirty" because I grind. In another city, I'd be "dirty" because I let them touch my tits. "Clean" and "dirty" dancing and extras are all relative to the club rules and local laws, and expectations of what goes down in VIP are also dependent on those. You ought to PM some girls in your city, working in the clubs you'd like to work at, to see what those terms mean locally.
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My club is considered fairly low contact. There are signs posted all over that the girls aren't allowed to "grind" or sit on customer's laps for longer than 3 seconds during a dance. I've yet to see anyone pull out a stopwatch, lol! For a couple of months the managers were pushing the "no grinding at all" idea. The girls just rolled their eyes and did their thing.
Yesterday, I sold 4 rooms. 2 were pretty heavy contact (2-way with above the waist fondling). The other two the men made a great effort to keep their hands to themselves. This is pretty typical for the upscale clubs in my area. You don't have to allow the customers to touch you to make money. I don't mind the contact, but don't encourage it, either.
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Good point, shanna. I was just trying to get a general consensus because I know I'm already very clean by my city's standards- Houston. When I first started out working there about three and a half years ago, I actually had to walk out of a couple clubs I was auditioning at because of obvious extras. I would have made no money without bait-and-switch and/or gotten a prostitution record just for having a vagina inside the building. The club I did settle into is kind of a well cared for hole in the wall where extras are kept entirely under wraps (so much so that I've wondered if any even do happen) on the clock. Management definitely goes out of their way to make sure it's legit business when it's open to the public.
For a while when I first start back, I will be working at my lovely hole in the wall again. Once I feel like I'm at least to where I was in my regular days, I'll be trying to get into St James. At some point in the next few years, I'll most likely be moving up to Seattle, but I'm less worried about then because it's a while off.
Aniela, I learned very early on to get paid upfront, thankfully. At my first club, where they held your money at the bar and paid you out minus house at the end of the night, upfront was the policy. If you did a dance without paying upfront, you were on your own and would get fined if they caught you doing it. That rule embedded itself in my business ethic and has helped me out more times than I can count, since I've had walk outs when they realized I wasn't going to do extras.
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in my club, an extra/prostitution is TECHNICALLY touching the customer at all..you have to be a foot away, strict no contact. now, nobody actually abides by this rules, not even the cleanest of the clean dancers at my club. an extra in my club would be grabbing dick, letting the custy touch/lick you..although a lot of girls allow touching anywhere besides pussy. BJS and FS are extremely uncommon, its a pretty strict club.
VIP is esp strict though. they have cameras in there, curtains are completely open, and a bouncer stands outside. its much more strict than the private dance area .
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Naida
Let's be honest, girls. What is the current idea of "clean" in the VIP/CR now? What actually constitutes an "extra" besides the obvious suck-and-fuck routine? What do YOU do in VIP/CR, and should I consider doing it myself when I return to work?
I'm thoroughly convinced that there is something that happens in every club's VIP, varies from club to club. Some keep things under wraps, other places it's more out in the open.
If you're making money without any nonsense why change it? When I danced full time I put up with whatever VIP contact norms are in the club, didn't let customers lick me or anything like that. Now I dance part time and hate any sort of contact and don't let it happen regardless. For this reason I don't go out of my way to make a VIP sale and would rather do a string of dances.