Sorry for any confusion, I am a guy who likes to receive BBBJ. I don't give BBBJ and never plan to. I thought it was ok for guys to post in this section.
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Sorry for any confusion, I am a guy who likes to receive BBBJ. I don't give BBBJ and never plan to. I thought it was ok for guys to post in this section.
I'm shocked at how lightly this is being taken. I can see why in a personal relationship you'd suck a dick without a condom but strangers? You can still catch stuff! Even if the risk is low it's still there and these people are not just solely sleeping with you.
Wow.
No kidding, but unfortunately for many, it's driven by economics and the fact that customer base might dry up.
Congrats, safado, you are one of the very few men out there who have gotten the shot, especially in your age group! Take comfort in the fact that you won't get or be passing this virus along -- it's a very responsible thing to do. It's also nice to know that you won't be getting genital warts, isn't it? I heard they're a real nasty bitch to get rid of.
well, in the united states they've caused quite the controversy lately.i haven't done enough research on it myself to come to any definite conclusions about getting it, but i was just saying maybe that had something to do with it..you can never be too careful.
Well, my pediatrician MADE me get the shot when I was 16, like I didn't have much of a choice in the matter, she said there was a shot that would prevent me from getting cancer and I needed to get it and that was that. That was almost ten years ago and now that there's a debate on the matter it doesn't exactly sit well with me how adamant she was about it without going through the risks.
I also don't see what the issue with talking to a specialist is, it sounds like her doctor just wanted to be sure, nothing wrong with that, she got it in the end.
Well, did you actually read through all of the thread? Try being an escort not offering OWO when 99% of the market is and see how many calls you get. There are aways going to be risks-- I could get herpes/genital warts/crabs from my customers by having sex with a condom or just kissing them. The risk with OWO are very low but obviously it's up to each girl what she is comfortable with. It's not really your place to judge sex workers who chose to engage in this practice.
Is the slut shaming really necessary? I used to think this was one of the few places where I could go to get away from that. Sadly, I've been proven wrong about that quite often lately.
We all have our own boundaries and comfort levels. If you don't like someone else's, so the hell what? It's not your body and not your life. It's exactly the same as non strippers calling strippers sluts and whores for taking off their clothes. It's not necessary and reeks of insecurity.
I find it even more bothersome when it's sex workers judging sex workers. If we can't rely on each other to be supportive who else can we rely on?
Yeah, and neither is any fuck-buddy or one-night stand I sleep with solely sleeping with me, or anyone else who engages in a casual sexual relationship outside of being a "professional." I also know very few people who make even their boyfriends get tested before they start sucking their dicks, and there is no test to find HPV in men if they're not showing symptoms, so, what? Just because you've known them awhile and say the word "monogamous," that means that they don't have anything from previous, single exploits? Everyone you sleep with is technically a "stranger" with an unknown sexual past unless you've known them since childhood and know they're a virgin... Outside of very religious people, I would say an extremely small percentage of people are as cautious as they could 100% be when it comes to sex and sexual relationships.
Acknowledging that fact doesn't mean I take anything lightly. I'm more than aware of every single risk I take as an escort and the things that I do during it. And I have my reasons for every risk I'm willing to take. If you don't want to do anything, don't do it, but that doesn't mean other people are stupidly not considering all the facts if they do something that you're personally not comfortable with.
I'm not slut shaming anyone so please don't try that angle as I'd be the last to do that. End of that ridiculous accusation.
I'm a stripper in Miami and have worked in an area where extras are heavy and expected and encouraged and it did affect my ability to make money or get champagne rooms (two in a whole year, actually. And I've been dancing longer than that now). I drive an hour to work at a cleaner club where even there I am propositioned.
I feel that in this industry we need to take control of our safety because the people we deal with are unlikely to care about it, they just want to get their rocks off. Sorry so many of you are baffled by that. The truth is if no one offered it customers will ask for it less just like the club I work at anyone who tries it is fired as we have cameras everywhere. Less customers ask for it or come into this club looking for it because there's a standard set.
It's really annoying when I'm being accused of slut shaming so stop that, MarvelGirl. And anyone else wanting to just jump on the bandwagon because we disagree.
I may not have the exact same experience as you guys because I'm a stripped but I'm still a "sex worker" and have had similar situations as the one I've explained above. My PERSPECTIVE and I'm allowed to have it and not have all the escorts jump down my throat accusing me of slut shaming. That's just immature and I'm seriously annoyed as fuck by that.
All I'm saying is that the chance of becoming ill or catching something exists and these men clearly don't feel bad for you so no need to feel bad for them and give in.
Being a 16 y.o. with a limited number of parters (even a very promiscuious one) is VASTLY different than being a sex worker. Do you realize the gay men/SW's are in the highest risk category? If you were going to argue this point with a clinician or a medical professional whose dealt with this (hpv cancers), they'd laugh in your face.
He is not a she -- that would explain why his doctor wanted further confirmation from a specialist. Most 35-40 y.o. men would not request this, and most male gp's have even less knowledge than your average gyn. It's very likely that safado got the shot because he a) is smart; b) is a hobbyist/has multiple partners; c) heard about Michael Douglas' stage 4 hpv-induced throat cancer and/or d) all of the above. Your choice.
There isn't a vaccine for herpes, but there is one for HPV/warts. Guess what, if you get the shot, then you're totally minimizing the risk for both! Hey, but then again, do what you wanna do...
The reason why I bring this issue up is because I AM supportive and I DO care. It's the pink elephant in the room that people would like to ignore and pretend doesn't exist. Raising levels of awareness and putting information out there regarding health risks is absolutely NOT slut shaming. As far as boundaries and comfort levels go, to each his/her own, but for the benefit of the people reading this thread, they deserve to hear both sides of the story and draw their own conclusions.
Sadly, it will be a number of years (potentially, lol) before people on this board start having problems and getting diagnosed. Like I said before SW's are in the highest risk category. This is for the benefit of those (wise minority in this case) who have the foresight to do something completely within their power now.
I'm not talking about the guy on this thread who likes BBBJ.
I'm also not talking with medical professionals as far as I can tell and even if I am I'm not concerned about anyone "laughing in my face."
I made a genuine statement that I believe has a point. I'm not arguing about the vaccine.... Where did you get that from?
I'm saying we should not let men control or drive what we do. Either as strippers or escorts but especially as escorts because the risks are even higher.
Look, I realize how SW is now. You can't have a different opinion because then we're slut shaming or we "don't understand."
This just makes me more shocked as I never insulted anyone but was just deeply concerned that women were giving in to selfish demands that could put them at risk. I've been there in my own walk in this life but. I think I'm allowed to express myself if not I think a mod should step in and tell me otherwise.
In the mean time don't throw around slut shaming because that is a serious issue and something I don't appreciate being accused of when clearly it's NOT what I was doing.
You are totally allowed to have your opinion, but the way your post came off was that people who engage in such practices are "taking things lightly" - as though we don't fully understand what we're doing, or don't care at all. The "Wow" at the end of the post comes off a bit snarky, like you "can't believe" we would ever consider such a thing cuz it's so stupid.
I didn't take your post as slut-shaming. If you don't want to follow my same mindset or come to the same conclusions on risks worth taking, that's legit, and you can say that it's not something you would risk and why, same as I did. But please don't word it as though anyone who doesn't see it your way hasn't done serious thought on the matter.
Part of being an adult is understanding that "it doesn't matter what you meant, it's how it's perceived." I totally get that.
I think that when we want to act like adults ion the internet however we also need to understand that we're not having a face to face conversation so a) perhaps we shouldn't be so defensive b) don't say shit you wouldn't say to someone's face (like accusing them of slut shaming or anything else that isn't true because of a different opinion).
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
To get back on point: I am of the opinion that the risk is not worth the money. I see what we do (yes, even the strippers) as a very unique type of work where we need to call the shots in order to make ourselves less vulnerable, to any kind of harm, physically or emotional.
It is possible to give information without being insulting and judgmental.
I am well aware of all the risks. I know all about the HPV vaccination. I also enjoy being alive and value my health. I still choose to perform blowjobs without a condom because that is my preference. I know that might be shocking to some but it doesn't change the reality of my informed choice. Just like those who smoke, or drink, or use drugs, or don't go to church, or drive really fast, or eat food that isn't organic, or eat fast food, or don't exercise or a million other things that people could get bitchy and judgmental about.
Following those people around and harping at them as if they're ignorant morons who would definitely agree with you if only they knew better doesn't make you look concerned. It makes you look like an asshole.
Honestly, your post came off as VERY judgmental, like I stated previously, so whether or not you want to use the term "slut shaming" I DEFINITELY felt like I was being judged by someone and being looked down upon as "stupid" "careless" and yes, a little "slutty" for doing OWO as an escort. No one came in this thread and took the issue lightly, saying "OMGZ like never use a condom you'll make so much more money and there's no such thing as getting a disease from sucking dick without a condom anywayz." Everyone who responded admitted that there were health risks but said that for them they did not feel they were prominent enough to not offer the service, but that the OP should make her own decisions. I did not take the decision to do OWO lightly, I began not doing OWO and after reading a lot of medical articles looking at the possible repercussions I decided that it was worth it to me to offer it because it has expanded my client base so much. Honestly, I probably know more about the repercussions of it since I am an escort and it's a huge health issue for me and you are a stripper and do not offer this service at your work (I'm assuming anyway). There are certain things I know I have to careful of when giving OWO, such as not brushing my teeth too much and thoroughly checking my mouth for cuts or sores-- and how do I know these things? Cause I'm not just some dumb whore who doesn't care about her health and just wants to make money.
You are perfectly in your right to state that you believe offering OWO is unsafe and a bad idea for yourself. It's when you start acting like everyone else is being stupid for not doing what your believe is right that you start to come off as being judgmental, which is why I think it's ironic that you're telling us no one can have their own opinion on SW. And the "wow" at the end of that post didn't help it all, since it was a basic eye roll at all us stupid carless escorts.
I'm not arguing with getting the shot, I simply don't understand why you're taking such an issue with someone wanting to get a second opinion. I see absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to consult with another doctor before giving a patient as medical treatment.
Interesting tidbit. After I got the Gardasil vaccine I started a thread on a "hobbiest" forum asking if anyone on the forum got the vaccine or were going to get it, that was in Jan 2011, as of today the thread has had 1,500 views and not a single response.
I know, because they want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.
My bad. I initially thought the guy was a girl. Even so, it's perfectly fine to get another consult. I have a personal issue with lots of doctors because many have a god complex and won't admit what they don't know. I also believe that they should do enough research into their own fields to already know this stuff, not for me to have to convince them. As it is, when I told my GP about some of this stuff I've learned, she was like "are you kidding me?".
I'm glad that you already know about this stuff, MarvelGirl, but a lot of other people don't. I'm also glad that you aren't taking any new clients (thereby lowering your risk) -- that's a real luxury. Most girls aren't in that position and take many new clients every day just to get by thereby increasing their risk.
There is a lot of fear around this topic -- it makes people uncomfortable. Putting the facts out there is going help remove misinformation on the subject, of which there is a lot. Until today, did you know that getting the shot even *after* you've been exposed to the virus can help fight it? Or that Canada has already approved the shot for women up to 45? Do you care? Maybe someone who is reading this might actually get something out of it. I'm sorry that you see that as hitting you over the head with a sledgehammer.
As far as getting the shot, my clients LOVE it -- they feel safer and appreciate that I care enough about myself (hence them, too) to get it.
I haven't insulted anyone here. The only one throwing insults is you. Now I'm the asshole?
I didn't imply even that you personally or anyone here didn't know about the risks. I agreed there is and that your health would be more important. I don't know why this is all being repeated.
You're the one who got bitchy and started throwing "slut shaming" around. You're the immature asshole throwing a fit over a genuine and thoughtful comment I made. I am not stalking anyone around here for the purpose of making hurtful comments, you have taken it and misconstrued it to the max to excuse your asshole-like behavior.
Seriously own up to it. Don't continue to name call and botch about your EXACT behavior.
Is this really even happening? You describing yourself then saying I'm th asshole?!?
Yet you immediately knew I was talking about you when I mentioned slut shaming, didn't you? If you didn't feel your comment was slut shaming, why did you pick that up and apply it to yourself? Don't worry, you don't have to admit it to me, just think about it. :)
Your comment was rude and judgmental. I already said that and I stand by it. You've addressed it multiple times already. I get that you're very pissed off at me. I don't care. I don't tolerate that type of bullshit. I especially don't tolerate it from other sex workers.
If you still have a problem with that, it's your problem and yours alone.