Re: Myredbook.com shut down
I'm glad they shut it down. There were a lot of minors on that site. I don't know if you were familiar with the streetwalker forum on there, I think it was called Street Action. (It's been a few years so I could be wrong.) Guys would post locations of 15 year old pimped streetwalkers who only cost $20 so they could all get a piece. It was disgusting.
I'm not even slightly surprised they were targeted and shut down. I've never seen that type of thing encouraged on any other escort boards.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
that just pisses me off - sick fucks - i am on the east coast so I only knew of the site but never actually visited it - here in my city the Human Trafficking groups and LEO are on the war path - not that I am not supportive of their efforts IF the situation actually exist - the raids or task have really not yielded any underage or enslavement situations - just harassing and arresting willing adults- to bad the money/efforts couldnt be spent on cities where the problems are evident U S A Sex Guide is about the same in grossness except I have never seen any reference to underage activity - actually I have seen the opposite in that they warn each other to steer clear of anyone they suspect of being underage or even possibly lying about their age - their motive is purely self serving in that the penalty/prosecution they would endure would be more severe for using the services of a minor
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
I live in the middle of RedBook-land and everyone is scrambling to find another place to advertise. So far, Backpage looks like the winner and I am not thrilled. RB was *the* site to post on for northern CA and the Bay Area - to the point that Eros, Eccie and any other national site you can think of barely has a presence in this area. I also had about 15 stellar reviews there that are gone gone gone - which is making getting verified on other sites kinda tricky.
>Guys would post locations of 15 year old pimped streetwalkers who only cost $20 so they could all get a piece. It was disgusting.
I never saw this happening, but I would not be surprised to learn that it was. On the other hand, I got a lot of excellent, regular clients off RB. There was also a providers-only forum with a black list that was very valuable and it got shut down too - which really sucks.
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yes, it sucks when the people running sites make bad decisions - hopefully they had everyone's information stored offshore or in some secured manner because the feds will now have access to everyone who posted there's information. When they hit escorts.com they shut the power -internet service off as they went in so no chance for anything to get dumped - they seized the computers etc....
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
Nope, that idiot was hosting RB on fucking Amazon, if you can believe that. He actually got busted for money laundering and tax evasion. Which means he was smart enough to run an illegal web site, but not bright enough to hire someone to hide the money - around $5 million a year.
I'm actually not worried about the feds coming after me. Nothing on my ad linked to the "real" me and there over 50,000 provider ads to sift through. I suspect he didn't pay off the right person and/or someone at the federal level wanted to make their name and this was a nice high profile site to bust.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
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Taylorgrrl
I live in the middle of RedBook-land and everyone is scrambling to find another place to advertise. So far, Backpage looks like the winner and I am not thrilled. RB was *the* site to post on for northern CA and the Bay Area - to the point that Eros, Eccie and any other national site you can think of barely has a presence in this area. I also had about 15 stellar reviews there that are gone gone gone - which is making getting verified on other sites kinda tricky.
>Guys would post locations of 15 year old pimped streetwalkers who only cost $20 so they could all get a piece. It was disgusting.
I never saw this happening, but I would not be surprised to learn that it was. On the other hand, I got a lot of excellent, regular clients off RB. There was also a providers-only forum with a black list that was very valuable and it got shut down too - which really sucks.
I'm sure most providers had no idea it was happening. It was just one small subsection on the forum that I only read out of curiosity and boredom. I don't blame the providers or even most of the clients who used myredbook. I was disgusted that whoever ran the website allowed it to continue. I placed one ad there, found that, tried to speak out about it, and was shouted down as a stupid whore who didn't know my place and charged too much anyways. I left pretty much immediately. It was easily the worst experience I've ever had on an escort site.
I thought it was crazy stupid to allow that kind of info to be passed around. Even if one is cold enough to not care about trafficked children, it put everyone else on the site at risk. That's what I tried to say when I saw it was happening but I couldn't get anyone to take me seriously.
I sincerely hope that you and everyone who used it finds another place to advertise. I know it sucks when you lose a good place to advertise, I've been there. I'm sorry so many providers are going through it because the jackass who owned it was an irresponsible douchebag. Hell, maybe something better will pop up to take it's place. That would be nice.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
I always thought that site & others of it's ilk were tooooo out there & tempting for the Law NOT want to invade. All those reviews are just affidavits against each girl. The guys will flip on you quickly rather to risk their careers & lives. The owners will do the same.
Ip addresses can be traced. There is NOTHING anonymous. It is naive to think redbook, eroctic revue or any of them as safe or protective to any girl.
The fact redbook let guys at all post about underage girls does make them CRIMINALS & sex traffic offenders. If you knew about it before the bust & turned a blind eye in the name of making money to still use it's service makes you DUMB.. Those are red flags that should NEVER had been ignored.
Feds are after these sites who have operated openly for years. Feds are after the underage sex traffic pimps. As well they should be, those kids need someone to look after them & try to help them out of that situation.
FACT is hooking is illegal. Whether you agree with it or not. That is the risk you take is getting busted. You always have other options like stripping, camming, porn, clip stores or going to Nevada & work in a cat house. There are many legal options for everybody who is a legal age.
It is about time sites like that went down. Don't think for a minute that backpage which has already been busted & watched by the law along with craigslist & such. Every bit of that $5 million & all their assets need to be confiscated & used to help those kids exploited by predators.
Everyone needs to play it smart & work legally. The law is coming down on much of this stuff, so see the writing on the wall for what it is. A major warning if you have not gotten caught at all.
Seriously, have any of you figured out the cost of getting caught? The bond, the lawyer, the fines & fees of getting out of jail or going to court.
Sam
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
Tax evasion is just the easiest hit to prosecute and usually serves the purpose of making the person go away - It is not one person trying to make a name - this is a national initiative that started a couple of years ago against Human trafficking - consenting adults are suffering the fall out from their efforts - they have to "show" something for their efforts - almost every police report for the past year starts out with the words " while conducting a Human trafficking sting contacted suspect on........ " - one backpage regular poster was busted 2 weeks ago in the Human Trafficking sting and she is every bit of 50 and independent
That is one of the reasons why I am laying low from escorting - not worth the risk right now for me
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
With all due respect Sam, yes I have figured out the cost of getting caught. It's a risk I knowingly take. I'm aware of exactly what will happen to me if I am arrested and have contingency plans in place.
I don't find the legal options acceptable. I sure don't expect anyone to congratulate me for being a criminal, which is what I am, I fully admit that, but I am not ignorant or naive about it. I carefully weighed the risks and rewards before I ever started working illegally.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
Sam, we were posting at the same time -
i agree - we all know what we are doing is illegal - you have to be careful who you align yourself with when you choose to cross the line - I have said it since they started - reviews sites are just bad for business - hey have cheapened an industry in their favor
I hope all of you ladies stay safe - the risk for me with the heightened attack on the industry and the cheapening of rates and increased expectations - are no longer worth it
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
Spot light is on the escorting industry right now. It is way to common & out in the open on the web for the cops to ignore.
Cops find it insulting once they do a major bust & girls act like it is business as usual instead of taking a break.
Any of your regulars could have been turned & will flip on you. I've seen it happen many many times over the years, starting with the big doggie in Florida. Do not assume you are under the radar. The cops know more than you think.
Those board, those guys who used it to exploit & find under age girls have done it all way out in the open for to long & gotten away with it. Thus making the cops & feds look like they are NOT doing anything. Once they do, watch out. So if you don't take a break, you are upping your risk.
Fact is, it is way to common & men think nothing of it on the web. Way to many porn stars are openly hooking & bringing even more national attention to this illegal activity.
I am harassed daily on twitter, cam sites & instagram to hook by men. None of them thinking about how this is illegal & breaking the law. All of which is insulting to law enforcement.
To continue to escort while they are coming down hard on it is thumbing your nose at the cops. That doesn't go over well. Not when you have many legal adult jobs available to you these days.
Sam
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
What I personally do is a misdemeanor Sam. Plus I haven't used review boards in years for many of the reasons you've mentioned. There's no reason for the police to target my regulars and get them to flip on me. I have nothing they want.
It would be a huge investigation and lots of wasted man hours to slap me with a fine of a couple hundred bucks. I'm not worth it to them. I know it and they know it.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
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Originally Posted by
Taylorgrrl
I live in the middle of RedBook-land and everyone is scrambling to find another place to advertise. So far, Backpage looks like the winner and I am not thrilled. RB was *the* site to post on for northern CA and the Bay Area - to the point that Eros, Eccie and any other national site you can think of barely has a presence in this area. I also had about 15 stellar reviews there that are gone gone gone - which is making getting verified on other sites kinda tricky
Is bp where the ads ended up?? I checked eros, lovings, TER, Slixa, none of them have any critical mass. A little bit of the discussion forums have moved to TER's SF regional board, but right now the TER old-timers are not happy with the flood of rb newbies. Have you checked TER to see if you've been reviewed there? In FBSM land, we had a pretty unique tightness among providers and clients, far less adversarial and obnoxious as with other areas of the industry, total bummer that's gone.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
I get what you are saying Marvel - and please do not think I am attempting to dissuade you from your living - but the charge still shows up on your record even if you are not found guilty or plead to something else - and your regulars more than likely have other ladies they see - very few tricks are visiting one lady - let one of them get caught in a sting - I have some regulars that are trust worthy as I am sure you do to but they are only as worthy as the circumstances they are put in - they will tell every name they know - and in my city they re looking for volume in their bust - I have been monitoring who they are busting - it is all across the board - 80.00 girls and 800.00 girls - I can edit the details and post it here if you want to see it - on another private ladies only board there was a very well known high end escort who was traveling - she was set up and taken at the airport - if you are a member there pm me and I will give you the dates and you can look at her post from when it all went down -they prosecuted her for crossing state lines and used federal laws - and she was just a hooker that they spent a lot of time and money to bust - the point for me is that the climate has changed - it is not just the local cops with a hard on for hookers it is coming from a higher level and wide spread - we each have our own personal decisions to make for own circumstances - I have been in this business a long long long time and knock on wood have never been busted - I wish the same for you and the rest - sometimes you just have to know when to back off and lay low - the danger comes in that you always have to add new clients in - as you know they all tire of you eventually or wander off for whatever reason - to keep steady income you need to replenish the wanderers or travel to new areas to get them As Sam said you can only fly in LEO's face for so long and they eventually move on it - now the whole country is making a statement against trafficking and we are all at risk because of it - My city had 10 or more incall body rub places - now there are 2 or 3 and they are on borrowed time - how stupid can you be - and they charged the girls with organized crime - not just a misdemeanor prostitution charge - it is in the threads here somewhere - anywho - sorry this was rambling
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
I write these things from experience. Before the web, when my friends got busted. The cops set them down & asked about me and three other gals we all ran with. They knew us, how we operated.
When they got me. Cop told me straight out, it took them 4 years straight to get me. How they used to call in the middle of the night to hear me cuss them out for calling so late & waking me up. Cracked them up. How I out witted them so many times, that they had to get me.
I got lucky & didn't go to jail & got slapped with a warning. But trust they know everyone in the game.
When the start doing bust & the other girls don't take the hint to lay low, I know for a fact is pisses them off. They have sat my friends down & said it directly to them.
There are bust going on all around this country right now.
Busting girls leads to finding drugs on them. Girls flip on their dealers. This leads to getting even bigger dealers. All this gets them more arrest on the records & more money from the city, county, state & federal levels to fund their pensions, their budget for the next few years & such. Not to mention good publicity for cleaning up the streets & web.
Longer you work in one area more you are on their radar.
Sam
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
Off the top of my head - in the last 5 years
escorts dot com - new update - http://www.thedomains.com/2014/06/23...s-escorts-com/
the web site in New Mexico - cant think of its name
bigdoggie dot net
web site in Texas that I cant remember the name
Aphrodites - agency
web site - one in the ohio - indiana - midwest area was infiltrated - cust. gave their log in details to cops
meet and greet from a board in the ohio area was busted
girl in either Tenn Georgia or Alabama gave up her log in and was helping to bust tricks ( Amy )
huge bust in central florida
thats just off the top of my head and as you can tell I'm pretty damn forgetful - it is just amazing that some of the sites have made it as long as they have - The feds move slowly though - I was involved in a bust in 1989 that targeted the agency but all of us ladies walked - they had been monitoring them for 2 years prior to the bust - i answered the phones there too - they had changed cc processors to a new processor and it was the feds/irs processing the cards - i called them to get authorizations - nicest friendliest guys you ever talked to lol - I just see a trend of continued targeting of the sites/boards - just MHO
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
I can't wait for TER, icky, and USASG to go down. I mean, hell, if the feds don't do it, I'll sock enough money away and commission a few hackers to do it.
I'm based in Central Florida - you just get used to working in hot areas and take reasonable precautions. With Grady Judd and the MBI, you have to if you're going to go about your business. I don't have much in the way of regulars and 95% of my earnings are from either touring or traveling gents in my area. Residential outcalls are out of the question and P411 is known to have been infiltrated here. Good judgment and saving to avoid desperation go a long way.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
I'm not worried about having a charge on my record. That's a risk I'm willing to take. I'm also not worried about going to jail. What I do is not a crime that involves jail time.
As for organized crime... well, there's no way I could be charged with that. I don't network with other girls. I also don't take on any new clients so I'm not worried about the police calling me in the middle of the night and laughing at me. No one calls me in the middle of the night.
I have no drugs. I have no dealers. I have no pimp. I have no connections to other providers. I don't cross state lines. I pay all my taxes. I'm not even slightly worried about going to jail.
I have experience too. I was involved in a sting a little over five years ago. They let me go because they had nothing on me and that was after three years of investigating my agency. I'm very clean. The only thing I would be facing is a misdemeanor charge and a fine of a few hundred dollars. But thanks for the concern.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
^ I hope you did not feel a personal attack - as I said each persons circumstances are unique - I posted the other info just to make others aware and maybe prevent some ladies from getting a false sense of security when they may not have thought of all the potential outcomes - crazy shit happens in this world of sex for sale - some of it is unjust and unforeseen -- not my agency but one where I know the owners very well and for many years recently had an arrest for Human Trafficking -they took in a girl who was homeless - she had been in the industry for many many years - long story short these people were kind and generous to her and this psycho bitch told the Child Protective Services ( who had custody of her kids ) that she was being held against her will and pimped - nothing was further from the truth - 18 months - several thousands of dollars ( and media coverage ) later all charges were dropped - and the organized crime charge is one of the new ways they are trying to hang as tough a charge as they can onto the industry participants - those ladies were just renting space from the spa - the more facts and information we share here the better informed we all become - how we each use that information is personal - I am concerned for your safety and all the ladies of this board and I dont mean that in a sarcastic way - it sounds like you have a lot of the bases covered and I hope you never have to pay a fine or go to jail :)
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
Yep I hate those sites with a passion @abarrett - they have been the downfall of this industry for women
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
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Originally Posted by
abarrett
I can't wait for TER, icky, and USASG to go down. I mean, hell, if the feds don't do it, I'll sock enough money away and commission a few hackers to do it. I'm based in Central Florida - you just get used to working in hot areas and take reasonable precautions. With Grady Judd and the MBI, you have to if you're going to go about your business. I don't have much in the way of regulars and 95% of my earnings are from either touring or traveling gents in my area. Residential outcalls are out of the question and P411 is known to have been infiltrated here. Good judgment and saving to avoid desperation go a long way.
I have a feeling they are next, feds take sometimes yearS to build solid cases, it's probably already in the works.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
I've been working in the sex industry for many years, though I never escorted I walked that fine line with body rubs (back when you can advertise on CL) Because I'm a single mother, the risk was too great, I knew I was tempting fate. So when CL folded I saw it as a sign. I miss the money and I enjoyed what I did, but the stress was too great, I had my close calls too. Even after getting my degree, I work on the fringes doing phone sex, mostly as a domme and despite the fluctuations I do well enough, I also pay taxes after too many years flying under the radar. Tempted though I may be, because I do miss the cash and the rush of danger, but it isn't worth it--trust me.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
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Originally Posted by
Sam38g
Spot light is on the escorting industry right now. It is way to common & out in the open on the web for the cops to ignore.
Cops find it insulting once they do a major bust & girls act like it is business as usual instead of taking a break.
Any of your regulars could have been turned & will flip on you. I've seen it happen many many times over the years, starting with the big doggie in Florida. Do not assume you are under the radar. The cops know more than you think.
Those board, those guys who used it to exploit & find under age girls have done it all way out in the open for to long & gotten away with it. Thus making the cops & feds look like they are NOT doing anything. Once they do, watch out. So if you don't take a break, you are upping your risk.
Fact is, it is way to common & men think nothing of it on the web. Way to many porn stars are openly hooking & bringing even more national attention to this illegal activity.
I am harassed daily on twitter, cam sites & instagram to hook by men. None of them thinking about how this is illegal & breaking the law. All of which is insulting to law enforcement.
To continue to escort while they are coming down hard on it is thumbing your nose at the cops. That doesn't go over well. Not when you have many legal adult jobs available to you these days.
Sam
I really like what you are saying, Sam. You are spot on and know what you are talking about. You are a very smart lady. Yes, it is true. Cops do not like being snubbed by high profile escort agencies (which is why a few were recently busted) or review boards or blunt advertising. The cops are up on what is going on. You are absolutely right. They know who is who. They just need to gather enough evidence to bust people with. A criminal investigation can take even a few years before the police come busting down their doors.
I know that redbook in particular had underage girls on it. Hell all you have to do is look at some of the ads. Many of the girls didn't look over 18 to me. It does boil my blood, and I hope those traffickers and the johns that support them get everything that is coming to them. The trafficking, pimping and the review shit needs to stop. You can't sit there and post online that you committed a crime and expect to get away with it forever. I, too, called out guys who were obviously patronized trafficked women. They basically told me to go f*** myself. Never went back.
Re: Myredbook.com shut down
Omfg,I thought I was the only one that felt this way.USASG is definitely next wayyyy too much info on there for them not to be. I'm in CFL too and MBI agents have definitely been on a roll non-stop lately.
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Originally Posted by
abarrett
I can't wait for TER, icky, and USASG to go down. I mean, hell, if the feds don't do it, I'll sock enough money away and commission a few hackers to do it.
I'm based in Central Florida - you just get used to working in hot areas and take reasonable precautions. With Grady Judd and the MBI, you have to if you're going to go about your business. I don't have much in the way of regulars and 95% of my earnings are from either touring or traveling gents in my area. Residential outcalls are out of the question and P411 is known to have been infiltrated here. Good judgment and saving to avoid desperation go a long way.