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Re: do you think there's a difference between a hooker, prostitute, and a escort?
So, forgive an old man for commenting.
I have watched your posts prior to this one over the last few weeks, and in my head I am saying 'the girl sounds stressed' Just that you have been a tad snippier than your usual self.
just an observation, from thousands of miles away, probably completely wrong.
it just seems that you have probably heard worse in strip clubs, so it occurs to me that maybe it isn't the word that bothers you
perhaps after all the work setting up your new business, where to work, who to work with, how much, how to screen where to advertise.....now it has calmed down and your subconscious has time to fool with you, play over doubts, create a little voice that is saying 'shit , I'm a fucking hooker, I'm a fucking hooker' and then you see it in writing the voice says ' see, see I was right'
We all doubt our decisions, it is part of how we learn.
You are an intelligent woman who has entered a sometimes difficult business. That creates stress, and if you don't recognize the stress you get messed up
Anyway........a guy who pays for sex wants to get under your skin, call you a 'whore' tell him sure, no problem, but you have a small dick and I can always get another job..................................
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Eric Stoner
This is similar to " How do you tell great wines from good wines and good wines from ordinary ones ? By the price. ". Most of it is nothing more than attitude ,style and semantics. And usually price. The activity is the same but how it is presented makes all the difference
Personally I judge the quality of a wine by the taste............................................
sorry couldn't resist
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Eric Stoner
The activity is the same but how it is presented makes all the difference
Regarding: do you think there's a difference between a hooker, prostitute, and a escort? Maybe this is the part I should have quoted.
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oldster
So, forgive an old man for commenting.
I have watched your posts prior to this one over the last few weeks, and in my head I am saying 'the girl sounds stressed' Just that you have been a tad snippier than your usual self.
just an observation, from thousands of miles away, probably completely wrong.
it just seems that you have probably heard worse in strip clubs, so it occurs to me that maybe it isn't the word that bothers you
perhaps after all the work setting up your new business, where to work, who to work with, how much, how to screen where to advertise.....now it has calmed down and your subconscious has time to fool with you, play over doubts, create a little voice that is saying 'shit , I'm a fucking hooker, I'm a fucking hooker' and then you see it in writing the voice says ' see, see I was right'
We all doubt our decisions, it is part of how we learn.
You are an intelligent woman who has entered a sometimes difficult business. That creates stress, and if you don't recognize the stress you get messed up
Anyway........a guy who pays for sex wants to get under your skin, call you a 'whore' tell him sure, no problem, but you have a small dick and I can always get another job..................................
No I have been very stressed! Now that my business is set up and becoming regular, I'm just working WAY too much. I've just been trying to make so much money because I have this irrational voice in my head that tells me "you have to take more bookings because people are going to stop calling you tomorrow." I was the same way with stripping just not as bad, where I would have a really good night and go back the next night because I was convinced I was never going to make that much money again. It's stupid but I just have part of me that is convinced every punter in the UK is going to suddenly lose interest in me tomorrow and I'm going to be broke, and I just HAVE to take that 2 hour booking on Sunday evening even though I'm tired and I'm sore and I just want to watch TV for an evening. I was so exhausted on Saturday I told myself I was going to take Sun-Tues off, what did I do? Booked 3 hours of appointments on Sunday, 2 on Monday and 2.5 on Tuesday.
I think what is hard for me also with escorting is it just being me with clients all day, with stripping you're with other strippers and you can bitch and complain and be with the bar staff or the DJ or whatever... but with escorting it's like, me and clients everyday day of the fucking week... I have no one to complain to or vent to because even if I do come home and sit my flat mates it's exactly like I can say "so I'm really pissed about this client today, I told him that I needed a break from having sex and I would give him head instead but he wouldn't listen to me, ugh it's so annoying when they do that."
So sorry if I have been a bit snippy but my stress level is probably an 11 right now! :(
I can't respond to this guy, I mean he's not a client or anyone I know he was just someone who was commenting on the review my client left me. I don't know him so don't care what he thinks and I honestly don't think he was trying to be a dick, it was more about my reaction to the word than him saying it. My clients all call me an escort.
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oldster
Anyway........a guy who pays for sex wants to get under your skin, call you a 'whore' tell him sure, no problem, but you have a small dick and I can always get another job..................................
Really, what leads a man to need to demean the provider in order to reassure himself he is still at the morally superior position? I mean, why would I be rude to my entertainer/provider/whaddyacallit, when I'm the one who is paying for her company? I mean, unless we agreed to do some D/S play along those lines.
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Aniela
My problem w/ these words is not so much the words themselves but the tone used w/ them.
My relatives often call a certain high-ranking female politiciàn a whore (I have no love at all for this woman & think she is, politically, a total POS) they say it w/ such disgust('We call her that bc the bitch would sell herself for anything'). They make veiled shit comments abt strippers & prostitutes alike even after knowing I am in the industry, then try to backtrack (Oh stop being so sensitive / we didn't mean *you* /Oh hush, you know what I meant). Yeah, you meant that a person's job is obvs what defines them as either a human being or a worthless scum.
And one wonders if they'd use those terms if it were a male politician. (OK, maybe they could call him a whore but what is the equivalent of "bitch"?)
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Aurora_Sunset
But, like it or not, a lot of those words have derogatory meaning in everyday "outsider" society. Almost no one outside the industry uses the words prostitute, hooker, or whore nicely. I would even beg to differ on the idea that people nowadays mean anything "nicer" when they use the words call girl or escort. People these days aren't stupid - they know what "escort" and "call girl" mean, and I've heard friends who don't know what I do make fun of their "slutty" outfits by saying "God, I look like an escort or something!"
Great, so now we see a common phenomenon happen, in which the "polite" word for something gets stigmatized the same as the crude term.
(BTW - for some people, there is still a slut/whore divide in the language related to the concept of payment or exchange. They are still using the words to say "you are lesser than us".)
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It is good that you are thinking about your stress level, i am sure your compatriots here can give you good advice on how to deal with that, I just wanted to make sure you were thinking about it
But seriously Audrey, you are a really beautiful woman, they are not going to get sick of you. Not if you added a mandatory hour of begging at the beginning of a session, and a mandatory hour of praying to the goddess Audrey for thanks and forgiveness at the end. They are lucky to spend time with you.
Get your pricing and workload balanced out so you can be that goddess
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Hooker, escort, companion, prostitute, whore, provider, call girl etc... all of these words describe my job. I feel neutral toward them all. None of those terms make me feel bad about myself in any way.
It's not the words, it's always the context.
"I hate (hookers, escorts, companions, whores, providers, call girls)"
vs.
"(Hookers, escorts, companions, whores, providers, call girls) are wonderful!!"
:)
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audrey_k
I can't respond to this guy, I mean he's not a client or anyone I know he was just someone who was commenting on the review my client left me.
The dumbasses who comment on reviews but have never booked you, and probably never will, are the worst. No wonder his comment pissed you off. I don't know why guys who have no intention of booking you feel the need to make stupid little judgment comments about why they wouldn't see the girl in question. I had a dude comment on my first review saying "I still need more detailed information if I'm going to spend the kind of money on that." I was like, "That?? Did he just fucking refer to me as that? I am a person - not a fucking gadget being reviewed on a tech site." The person saying it and how they're saying it can make all the difference in how you perceive it.
lol anyway, /rage
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^This was the first review of mine that someone has posted that people can respond to, and UGH it's pissed me off like I can't even say. In the future I'm not going to read them because I can't respond!
Some customer I had back in June (probably one of my first ones) made an account on the website just to fucking trash talk me. He told everyone that I hate having my boobs touched and show my disgust and for the amount of money I charge it's ridiculous and it was so "off-putting" and "upsetting." Like it's not enough for me to let him do it but I have to like it now? Ugh. He says he left me a positive review on the website I advertise on and I've gone back through my reviews but I CANNOT figure out who this assfuck this, as all the guy who left me a review seemed like really nice guys. And this guy seems like an absolute piece of TRASH-- not only has he made these comments, but he took the time to figure out who I was on an escort support board I post on, offered to give anyone who was curious my username so they can read my posts (meaning I had to delete my account and can no longer post on one of the only places I was getting support from), and made some very condescending remark about how I basically over-reacted to a customer bare-backing me against my will. A part of my is wondering if I've never seen him before as his actions just seem so over the top, like maybe he's some guy who's messages I didn't like so I refused to book him or I just ignored him and it pissed him off. It just seems like a lot of effort to go through for someone you left a positive review for!
He cost me $500 today as I had a client booked for 2 hours on Saturday afternoon and he cancelled because of this asshat's comments. My client that left the review went back and defended me but it hasn't really done much, all the good that came from getting my review up on that website has been cancelled out by his comments pretty much! He's the one I want to confront and kick in the fucking balls while castrating him...
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Ugh is right. Then again, an open "comments" section for an article or review on the Web seems to be a universal attractive nuisance for the trolls. Stay strong, Audrey, they are just butthurt that you outclass them.
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Smart people know who trolls are.
They are the same guys who took 5 minutes to squeeze a dollar out of their wallet at the stage at the strip club, then got all hurt you did not fawn on them for an hour
Give them similar respect, your discriminating customers will do the same
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I am sorry. I didn't express myself clearly. The names used ( hooker , escort , prostitute , soiled dove , courtesan etc. ) are just that : names. Labels.
Price is a poor indicator of good service.
Service is just one aspect of the "personal service provider " - "client " relationship.
Is there a hierarchy among "personal service providers " ? Absolutely ! At the bottom are streetwalkers and car girls. Then come the brothel gals and massage parlor workers.
Then we have escorts and call girls of varying types and prices. And as I have previously discussed , at the top is a thin strata of very high priced ladies who often do a lot of "social escorting ". Price is just one way of differentiating among these various types of sex workers. So are the services provided and how those services are presented.
A streetwalker and a high dollar hottie may both do bj's ; the streetwalker may even do it better but the when , WHERE and atmosphere surrounding the same sexual act are totally different.
I NEVER said or even tried to imply that one type of sex worker is in any way "better " than another. Different ? Maybe.
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I've totally referred to myself as a hooker before. Still do...it is what it is. I guess yeah, hooker could be kinda derogatory, but it's better not to take it so seriously. I actually think it's kinda funny, but I also have a strange sense of humor.
And, I've been doing this for a year and a half, and I know that I have slept with hundreds of guys by now(always protected)...and I only do outcalls and typically see one person a day, very rarely 2 or 3 if it's a nice, busy day :). There are 365 days in a year, ya know...and even regulars tend to come and go pretty quickly Bc this is prostitution, so it's not long term. So basically, my number has to be really freaking high, but that's a good thing. If I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna try to be successful. But, that's just my way. I understand that everyone does it differently and according to their comfort level.
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Let me put it this way, IDC if someone chooses to call mea stripper or an exotic dancer. Neither affects me.
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In another thread, the OP was upset because someone referred to sex workers as hos, and she didn't seem to know if it was derogatory or not. I pointed out that by definition, that's what sex workers (not strippers) are: escorts, prostitutes, hookers, whores, hos. They're just words. And all of them mean the same thing: someone who sells sexual acts for money. Using some Imp logic for any GoT fans out there. Don't sugar coat what you are and people can't use it against you.
At least two posters were insulted by what I said, so obviously they felt there was a difference.
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I asked a regular that I trust if he thinks there is a difference. He said this is a loaded question. I told him I won't be angry, but I just wanted to know. He said "if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck".
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Other people's opinions of you are not your problem, not your business. You cannot change someone else's mind.
This thread is interesting though. Many say that it doesn't matter because if you exchange sexual services for money, that makes you a hooker/prossie/escort/whore regardless if there is conversation and/or whatever else. So as long as there is sex and a monetary gain for the woman, she is a prossie according to this logic.
...So doesn't that make every woman in the 1950s & before, a prostitute or "whore" using that same logic? Women didn't have jobs, were married off young to men (many times, ones they didn't choose) who provided them with MONETARY items like a house, food, and clothing in exchange for... SEX, cooking, and cleaning. lol
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To most people they would put anyone who sells sex in the same category. To them an escort is the same as a whore, a prostitute, a slut (though technically isn't a slut someone who has sex for free?), a hooker etc. However to me personally, I do think there are different levels of prostitution and a streetwalker is different than a high class call girl who chooses her customers and they are high class. I feel sorry for streetwalkers because they usually didn't choose it and are stuck unlike escorts who often use it as means to something else and control their careers.
Kind of reminds me when I danced and I preferred dancer, showgirl or entertainer over stripper or sex worker. Yes I was a stripper or sex worker but liked to think I added entertainment. However I know to many even adding entertainment doesn't change a thing and it's still a stripper.
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ushar
In another thread, the OP was upset because someone referred to sex workers as hos, and she didn't seem to know if it was derogatory or not. I pointed out that by definition, that's what sex workers (not strippers) are: escorts, prostitutes, hookers, whores, hos. They're just words. And all of them mean the same thing: someone who sells sexual acts for money. Using some Imp logic for any GoT fans out there. Don't sugar coat what you are and people can't use it against you.
At least two posters were insulted by what I said, so obviously they felt there was a difference.
Just because you think the words can be used interchangeably doesn't mean that everyone feels that way. And you might be a little more cautious and thoughtful when using words loaded with negative meaning like 'ho' 'whores' 'sluts' etc, especially as you are not a sex-worker yourself...
It's one thing to use hooker/prostitute/call girl/escort interchangeably it's another to throw the rest in there. For me I see no correlation whatsoever between the word 'whore' 'ho' 'slut' and 'prostitute.' To me a whore/slut/ho is a woman is having sex with tons of different men for free, she goes about it in a class-less/dirty way, she lets men use her, she is not in charge, she lets herself be degraded against her will, is looking for personal validation from sex... need I go on? It does not even describe a promiscuous woman, it describes someone not in control of their sexuality. For my generation I think that is the way that the words have been used, the definition of whore/slut/ho being a prostitute has gone out the window. I hear the word 'whore' 'slut' and 'ho' used amongst my friends all the time as a way to put another woman down, they are definitely not saying that the woman is having sex for money.
And, if I say that I do not want to be called a whore, then calling me a whore, whatever your original intentions were, is being purposely disrespectful and degrading.
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My brain reacts differently depending on the label used:
Streetwalker = girl in cheap clothes walking down a dark alley
hooker = see above
whore = see above
prostitute = see above
escort = girl in expensive clothes in a penthouse suite
call girl = see above
courtesan = see above
geisha = see above (Japanese girl)
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^^^^ well geisha are a whole other animal -- tho they evolved from the prostitutes their purpose over the last two or three centuries has not been sexual … are you referring to the 'geisha girls' from WW2 era who were actually streetwalkers masquerading as geisha?
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I agree 100%. To put a crack-addicted $15 street hooker that practices her trade in dark dirty back alleys in the same in the same box as a glamorous $2000/hr high-class escort that jetsets around the globe to cater to rock stars, fortune-500 CEOs, etc., is ridiculous.
Of course there are different classes, and it is suitable to apply different terms to each class. I would never go near a woman who regarded herself as a "hooker".
Was Gabrielle Bonheur Chanel (aka CoCo Chanel) a "hooker" because she was mistress to a wealthy man that maintained her and helped her launch her fashion business?
Was Eva Perón (aka Evita, First Lady of Argentina) a "hooker" because she used sex to raise her station and for career and political advancement?
What about the famous courtesans of Renaissance Europe, who were amongst the first women in the West to receive an education and be independent? They served as intelligent, witty and glamorous companions to kings and noble men in exchange for status and small fortunes.
What about the women today that marry wealthy men primarily for the lifestyle, and what about women that stay married only because they cannot financially make it on their own? Are these women also "hookers"?
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Kellydancer
To most people they would put anyone who sells sex in the same category. To them an escort is the same as a whore, a prostitute, a slut (though technically isn't a slut someone who has sex for free?), a hooker etc. However to me personally, I do think there are different levels of prostitution and a streetwalker is different than a high class call girl who chooses her customers and they are high class. I feel sorry for streetwalkers because they usually didn't choose it and are stuck unlike escorts who often use it as means to something else and control their careers.
Kind of reminds me when I danced and I preferred dancer, showgirl or entertainer over stripper or sex worker. Yes I was a stripper or sex worker but liked to think I added entertainment. However I know to many even adding entertainment doesn't change a thing and it's still a stripper.
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Aniela
^^^^ well geisha are a whole other animal -- tho they evolved from the prostitutes their purpose over the last two or three centuries has not been sexual … are you referring to the 'geisha girls' from WW2 era who were actually streetwalkers masquerading as geisha?
To be honest, I threw that in just to make it balanced (4 terms / 4 terms). I was going to use provider, but for some reason it doesn't seem the same lol. I do know that there are colleges in Japan where a girl can go to become a geisha. So obviously they are at the very least educated. Whether or not sex is involved could be a case by case basis, no?
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So if people put girls who blatantly sell sex all into one category...
Would that mean that a sugar baby is not a sexworker because she's not blatantly selling sex and has a genuine relationship with the guy? Assuming she gets a monthly "allowance" and perhaps a paid apartment and paid vacations?
Is a gold digger not considered a sex worker of any kind, even though she is essentially a sugar baby?
And where would that leave 1950s & before housewives since a high % were essentially in the same paradigm as a gold digger or sugar baby type of relationship?
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Aniela
their purpose over the last two or three centuries has not been sexual … are you referring to the 'geisha girls' from WW2 era who were actually streetwalkers masquerading as geisha?
And then there's that animal.
So if everyone who blatantly sells actual sex is considered a sex worker, where does that leave fetish girls (no sex) and dominatrix providers? Are they not considered sex workers then?
I would put modern geishas in the same category as a fetish girl. Its someone who is seen as a sexual object (geishas in Japanese culture) and engages in sexually stimulating activities or rituals (the Japanese are kinky as hell), but she does not have actual sex or sexual relations with the man.
...Thoughts? I just don't think its so black & white. We are sexual beings by nature. I don't think that should be looked down upon. Should we start calling everyone who eats food a derogatory hedonistic and gluttonistic term as well? It just makes no sense to me.
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jack0177057
I agree 100%. To put a crack-addicted $15 street hooker that practices her trade in dark dirty back alleys in the same in the same box as a glamorous $2000/hr high-class escort that jetsets around the globe to cater to rock stars, fortune-500 CEOs, etc., is ridiculous.
Of course there are different classes, and it is suitable to apply different terms to each class. I would never go near a woman who regarded herself as a "hooker".
Was Gabrielle Bonheur Chanel (aka CoCo Chanel) a "hooker" because she was mistress to a wealthy man that maintained her and helped her launch her fashion business?
Was Eva Perón (aka Evita, First Lady of Argentina) a "hooker" because she used sex to raise her station and for career and political advancement?
What about the famous courtesans of Renaissance Europe, who were amongst the first women in the West to receive an education and be independent? They served as intelligent, witty and glamorous companions to kings and noble men in exchange for status and small fortunes.
What about the women today that marry wealthy men primarily for the lifestyle, and what about women that stay married only because they cannot financially make it on their own? Are these women also "hookers"?
Welcome back Jack! Those are great points and it kind of reminds me of a conversation I once had with a friend. She and I knew a high class call girl who catered to the top movie stars, businessmen etc. She would call her a whore for sleeping around (her words). What she failed to remember was that while she technically never had sex for money she often had sex with men who took her out on dates, especially if they bought her dinner. Wouldn't that make her to some extent a prostitute as well?