more unbelievable shit - Hope Nobody Rents Property under AirBNB
some people will take advantage of every opportunity ...
(snip)"Here’s one big difference between a hotel and Airbnb. If someone rents a hotel room and refuses to leave, the desk calls security and has him thrown out. If someone rents out a place using Airbnb and the “guest” refuses to leave, there’s no desk, no security and sometimes not much recourse.
That’s what Cory Tschogl is finding out.
Tschogl, like many other Airbnb hosts, listed her place (a Palm Springs vacation condominium) to help her afford San Francisco rent. Tschogl rented the condo to a guest for 44 days, from May 25 to July 8. Now, two weeks after his checkout date, the guest is still there and won’t leave. To make matters worse, because he was there so long, he appears to be protected by a California law designed to keep landlords from summarily evicting tenants once they’ve been in place past 30 days.(snip)
(snip)Airbnb said would make sure she was paid for the full 44-day reservation.
But now she’s had to hire a lawyer “who will cost several thousand dollars and take three to six months to evict the tenant,” reports the Chronicle.
A spokesman for AirBnb told Business Insider: “Our initial response to this inquiry didn’t meet the standards we set for ourselves and we’ve apologized to this host. In the last week, officials from our team have been in incredibly close contact with this host and she has been paid the full cost of the reservation and we’re working with her to provide additional support as we move forward.”
Tschogl told Business Insider that she would “like to see Airbnb expand its $1 million ‘host guarantee’ to cover rental and legal expenses when a guest doesn’t pay and refuses to leave.”
According to the Chronicle’s report, after it contacted Airbnb, the company ramped up its efforts, including an e-mail stating: “We’re prepared to assist with your legal fees … so we can help alleviate the financial stress caused by the stay.”(snip)
Hmmm, 44 days worth of rent money received, versus whatever the legal fees will cost, on top of not being able to use / re-rent this condo for the next 6 months or however long it takes for a legal eviction order to be issued, plus more costs for serving legal notice and actual eviction ...
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Well, from 'tenent's perspective a lotta Abnb seem like flakes to me, just sayin'
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I guess as a precaution, they shouldn't be allowed to rent out the place for more than 30 days.
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I read something about a nanny who was hired as a live-in and stopped doing anything besides hanging out in her room. The family fired her and she just refused to leave and legally the family couldn't even change their own locks or boot her! What a nightmare!
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How awful. How can these people doing this stuff live with themselves? This is about the lowest form of shame I can think of.
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If someone receives mail at your property they can't be kicked out. I own rentals and there needs to be a lease in my state. So unless I gave them a lease they could stay past that time period and I would have to go through the eviction process. If I chose to rent on airbnb I'd make sure I had a really good lease drawn up. Mines so good they literally need to be out or pay 2 months rent if their even a day past move out.
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I believe it is only a matter of time before the hotel industry throws some serious cash at government officials to put an end to AirBNB.
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Believe me airbnb is not taking away business from hotels. I travel all over 10 days every 3-5 weeks and hotels are booked. In fact I've traveled for 10 years almost exclusively and only used them once during superbowl in nola because everything was booked for 50 miles. I'm way too high maintenance to stay with strangers and not to comfortable doing so in my profession.
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Melonie
some people will take advantage of every opportunity ...
(snip)"Here’s one big difference between a hotel and Airbnb. If someone rents a hotel room and refuses to leave, the desk calls security and has him thrown out. If someone rents out a place using Airbnb and the “guest” refuses to leave, there’s no desk, no security and sometimes not much recourse.
A hotel would be in the same predicament. If a guest stayed more than 30 days in a hotel in Palm Springs, the same laws would apply to the hotel. This problem is due more to the laws in California than AirBNB. The best lesson learned from this article is, if you live in California and are renting out a house or condo through a service like AirBNB, don't rent it out for more than 30 days.
The renter could be sued to recover legal cost and loss of business, but it would depend on whether they had the assets to make it worthwhile.
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So in this case.
If the owner was willing to let the renter stay for 44 days and still be protected.
Would she need to have an official move out then back in, on day 29, or split it evenly at day 22? Or, would the owner be screwed either way?
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^^^ by my read, given the state laws regarding 'renter's rights' kicking in after 30 days, plus the uniform AirB&B rental contract, the only option available to the 'landlord' would appear to be limiting rental periods to a maximum of 28 days. Obviously the 'landlord' could have required the tenant to sign a different contract specifically waiving 30 day 'renter's rights' under cover of a 'vacation' rental etc. ... but that would have been incompatible with AirB&B's standard business model / paperwork. Requiring multiple contracts for a maximum of 28 days each might be an effective 'work-around' ( and I say might because courts could interpret continuous occupancy despite separate rental contracts ) ... but again this deviates from AirB&B's standard business model / paperwork.
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This is definitely something to keep in mind if you're renting out vacation property for more than 2 or 3 weeks.
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michele11
Believe me airbnb is not taking away business from hotels. I travel all over 10 days every 3-5 weeks and hotels are booked. In fact I've traveled for 10 years almost exclusively and only used them once during superbowl in nola because everything was booked for 50 miles. I'm way too high maintenance to stay with strangers and not to comfortable doing so in my profession.
IA, I think Airbnb & hotels both equally serve their purpose. Airbnb caters to younger people, families, and people looking to explore areas where an apt would be more convenient than a hotel. Escorts, businessmen, and the very wealthy are still always going to need and use hotels.
I don't think Airbnb will go out of business, but I think they will have to have all their guests e-sign some sort of agreement. I know they even require guests to upload their IDs now.
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arielbriel
I guess as a precaution, they shouldn't be allowed to rent out the place for more than 30 days.
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eagle2
This is definitely something to keep in mind if you're renting out vacation property for more than 2 or 3 weeks.
What they could do though, is just allow people to only book for 29 days, then book again for another 29 days and just get the 30th night free each time. They weren't formally booked for night 30, so I don't think it would hold up in court because formal records would only show the person staying 29 nights in a row.
I know when I lived in SF, there were a lot of people that lived in the weekly hotels. Usually poorer people, or traveling nomads. In order to get around the 30-day rule, they had to get out of the hotel and couldn't check back in til the next day (I think they let them in right after midnight though, but didn't have to). So you'd always see them standing right outside the hotel together with their suitcases and belongings in the evening on the last day of the month. They would just all wait together until they could check back in.
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CA law would not allow for the repeated 29-day re-sign, as it's based on actual residency and not the contract. Never allow anyone to stay more than 28 days, period. Even in other states, this shit can get really tricky.
Personally, I simply suggest making thier life a living hell until they leave. No laws saying what you can and can't do in your own home. If they're claiming to be a "resident" and they signed a contract before (even if they're there past it's termination) they can be arrested for damaging your property. You, on the other hand, could literally follow them around all day, every day, with a video camera and an air-horn and as long as your'e on your property and there's nothing they can do about it...