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Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
Okay so here is my situation me and my girlfriend are both transgender webcam models on Streamate. And we webcam in the same place, obviously in different rooms. I was wondering why it is that one week I will be getting a bunch of privates and she will be struggling to make 300. And then other weeks its her who's pulling in the big bucks. It is never both of us. Now I know we are both in the transgender category so we would obviously be eachother's competition, the only thing is we have completely different looks, she's white with blonde hair and plays the virtual girlfriend, whereas I'm a dark skinned Latina, who is usually percieved to be black by most and I mainly focus on domination and humiliation. So my question is does Streamate somehow only let the traffic go towards one of us since we have the same IP address and all. To me it would make perfect sense because how else would I be making tons of money one week consistenly and then the next week it is mostly her pulling in all the privates. One of us is always basically sitting in free chat for hours. What is your input on this, I feel it is more than sheer coincidence because wouldn't there be weeks when we both bank or are both doing shitty but its consistently one of us at a time making money. Thank you so much and have a beautiful day. Do any of you girls have this experience when you cam with the same IP address as your girlfriends?
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
I think it's just the luck of the draw. I think you've seen the SM thread. We're always complaining over there that it's fucked up.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
I've noticed just as many in your category give it all away as they do in mine (female). My earning always drop significantly when the girls who show tits and ass in guest chat log on. It could be the days you aren't making money, some Latina t-girl has her cock out in free chat and they days Ms Barbie isn't making money it's a Barbie t-girl with her cock out. Start looking, taking screen caps and turn their ass in. There isn't supposed to be below the waist nudity allowed in guest chat. If you ask me, any nudity at all in guest chat is counter productive.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
I say the same shit, and what is it with these bitches charging so low!!!! I am so sick of seeing girls who are kinda in my market charging .99cents while im here charging 5.94! I mean last week I didn't have a problem but my girlfriend was struggling its so annoying because I begin to think something is wrong with me. It scares me but as long as one of us is banking I guess I shouldn't be complaining. And its also I guess because a lot of the guys are so fucking cheap, since when was watching webcam models for the average guy, we are luxuries and I'm really bitchy about guys asking for shit lol.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
For those who are angry about other girls who 'give it away' on the big box sites then there is always the option of going go Indy -- but then you will be one who is responsible for building and driving your own traffic source.
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The IP address theory is plausible. However I don't know how it can be proven? Maybe you two should try working at different times to see a variance in your routine. In regards to the .99 cents and other shenanigans, many of those cammers come from nations where the USD goes a looong way after the conversion. Just wanted to point that out to anyone who is genuinely scratching their head about this. Not all non-American cammers go that low, but it makes sense for those who do. Their price points are based on where they come from and what they need to survive. I used to get kinda annoyed by it until I realized I pretty much do the same thing with European sites.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
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Originally Posted by
justanothercamgirl
For those who are angry about other girls who 'give it away' on the big box sites then there is always the option of going go Indy -- but then you will be one who is responsible for building and driving your own traffic source.
In theory we are paying the sites to drive traffic to us (65% of our revenue to be exact) so we don't have to. Instead of pointing out the obvious to the girls who are trying to maintain the integrity of this business, how about we point out the obvious to the girls who don't? If they want to break the rules and give it all away, let them do it on their own time and on their own site.
And now someone just told me one of the top performers is giving away 5 free videos for 5 star ratings!! WTF!!! Serious?? Now there's a nice precedent to set for all of us!
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
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Airrrie2
In theory we are paying the sites to drive traffic to us (65% of our revenue to be exact) so we don't have to. Instead of pointing out the obvious to the girls who are trying to maintain the integrity of this business, how about we point out the obvious to the girls who don't? If they want to break the rules and give it all away, let them do it on their own time and on their own site.
And now someone just told me one of the top performers is giving away 5 free videos for 5 star ratings!! WTF!!! Serious?? Now there's a nice precedent to set for all of us!
While I appreciate where you are coming from, we have zero ability to change what big box sites do and only have the ability to control all factors of our career if we go indy.
To paraphrase Eckhart Tolle, "To complain is always nonacceptance of what is. Leave the situation or accept it. All else is madness."
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
I think the traffic wave is at low tide this week, Percent in Paid dropped across the board to about half the levels of the last two weeks. Someone gave the idea I should make a tracker for that and other sites so we can see the traffic flows and I think I'll put the webslave on that...compiling stats every day is a lot of thankless work though.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
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hyori
Maybe some girls feel the need to work harder to get that gold. Or they truly feel that showing all of it is the fastest way to sell themselves. I don't want to judge, it's a sex site, it's also somewhat performance art and you can't really put integrity on sex acts and performance art for that matter. I'm going to stop getting upset over the girls who do all of that and live in my own world. I suppose, soon enough, my vanilla image will be niche.
This is said so perfect... stop looking at others and look to yourself. I mean hell sometimes I go topless.. for the simple fact my boobs hurt(premenstral) and I am a nudist. It is not to piss off or devalue other models I just go with my mood for the day.
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1pandoradesire
This is said so perfect... stop looking at others and look to yourself. I mean hell sometimes I go topless.. for the simple fact my boobs hurt(premenstral) and I am a nudist. It is not to piss off or devalue other models I just go with my mood for the day.
Herein lies our difference in opinion. There needs to be a compromise somewhere. You are well aware your actions are hurting at least one other model because at least one other model has voiced her opinion on this issue, yet you fail to acknowledge that there are models here who do believe you are devaluing our industry. I mean, get real, how many times have you heard the phrase, "tits for tips"? This phrase is well know to us because obviously guys are willing to pay to see them, yet there you are because of your, "premenstrual" pains, ignoring this very obvious fact. yeah now.. I won't be "stop looking at other" any time soon. I'm not dumb enough to turn my head away from someone who admits to stealing food out of the mouths of my children.
It may sound augmentative to you, not because there's an actual argument, but because it's fact. How about your look at yourself now? Seeing that I do watch, you are actually in the minority. There are only a handful of women on SM who go topless. SM isn't a token based site. If you are having menstruation pains, how about trying a token based site during that time? This way you aren't stepping on everyone's toes at SM and you are still feeling the relief you need?
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
Or just concentrate on your own business instead of trying to shame others for how they conduct theirs? I mean really, no one is stealing food from the mouths of your children by having their tits out occasionally. Massive eye roll.
Having a decent attitude has a much bigger impact on earning potential & traffic than being topless or not.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
Being topless is within the websiterules, so there will always be models doing it, since it is Allowed...
To be totally honest I do show my nipples now and than, and my breasts bec my payed rate will go up, and obviously I do what gets me most money. Its a simple as that
There is a big diff in my eyes to models just sitting on theire butt while being naked playing with there pussy in free chat Vs the girl hustling there ass off while showing a boob now and than.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
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Originally Posted by
Airrrie2
Herein lies our difference in opinion. There needs to be a compromise somewhere. You are well aware your actions are hurting at least one other model because at least one other model has voiced her opinion on this issue, yet you fail to acknowledge that there are models here who do believe you are devaluing our industry.
You are allowed to have an opinion but it is not against Streamate's rules to go topless. She is not breaking any rules on the contract she has signed so I am not really sure why you are so angry with her seeing she is following the site rules.
Edit to add: I just wanted to add that I never go topless in free chat. NEVER EVER. Not even for tips. That being said, I fully support the girls who decided to go topless because it is within the rules of our contract with Streamate. If you wanted to ask me the my personal opinion on the industry, I'd say that I think 'tips for tits' is actually a very bad long-term business strategy on a pay-per-minute site. You are essentially giving a bunch of people who didn't pay, something for nothing and therefore in essence have now created 'freeloaders' that are hurting the bottom line of other camgirls who won't show their tits for tips in free chat and would prefer to keep them to only exclusive or premium for your OWN personal gain in the same way you claim that girls who show their tits for free hurt you. If I wanted to take that logic to faulty completion I could claim that you doing 'tits for tips' has devalued the industry by creating the concept of freeloaders and steals money out of the mouths of my children, if I had any. But that is just my own personal opinion. I know it is going to different from everyone else's on the best way to make money. I don't expect any camgirl to follow my opinion.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
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Originally Posted by
Airrrie2
Herein lies our difference in opinion. There needs to be a compromise somewhere. You are well aware your actions are hurting at least one other model because at least one other model has voiced her opinion on this issue, yet you fail to acknowledge that there are models here who do believe you are devaluing our industry. I mean, get real, how many times have you heard the phrase, "tits for tips"? This phrase is well know to us because obviously guys are willing to pay to see them, yet there you are because of your, "premenstrual" pains, ignoring this very obvious fact. yeah now.. I won't be "stop looking at other" any time soon. I'm not dumb enough to turn my head away from someone who admits to stealing food out of the mouths of my children.
It may sound augmentative to you, not because there's an actual argument, but because it's fact. How about your look at yourself now? Seeing that I do watch, you are actually in the minority. There are only a handful of women on SM who go topless. SM isn't a token based site. If you are having menstruation pains, how about trying a token based site during that time? This way you aren't stepping on everyone's toes at SM and you are still feeling the relief you need?
The fact that you think girls who show tits in free chat is taking food out of your childrens' mouths is absolutely absurd. I can't stand this mental block of an attitude! No one is taking food out of your kid's mouth. YOU are the only person responsible for feeding your offspring. Not free titties girl.
Stepping on everyone's toes? Nope. Speak for yourself. It is allowed by SM, and to tell someone to LEAVE SM while they are premenstrual to go work on a token site (for doing something that IS WITHIN THE RULES of SM) is extremely crass. Some of us work long hours.... Her breasts might swell up and ache, like mine when I'm PMSing, and if I'm PMSing and working long hours, you are damn right I am going to make myself as comfortable as I can. She is not breaking any rules. Yes you can have an opinion about what she does, but you have no position to tell someone to go work another site when she is not doing anything wrong.
I don't know you, but I feel like if you changed your attitude a bit, it would do you wonders financially as well as mentally. It's 2014. There is a massive ocean of free tits, ass, and pussy out there. There is no changing that. One or two, or hell, three or four girls showing their tits on SM does not hurt me. And I promise if you don't do nudity in free chat like me, it's not hurting you either. You can't say... "Oh my earnings go down when this girl shows her tits... " You don't know that. You don't know what might cause you to have a slow shift. Sometimes when I see the $0 GS, I lose hope and not want to log on. There have been nights where I have banked big, only to see the girls with $0 GS still struggling. I found over the my short two years of camming, that what other girls do does not effect me financially. Run your room how you want to run your room. Focus on you and the money will come. I give private shows. Most of them fetish, C2C, and deepthroating. The guys that buy my shows are looking for something more than tits. They want something specific. The guys that are lurking around just for free tits are not there to spend money. And if they are looking to "tip for tits".. thats exactly all it is... a tip. It's not a private at 6.99/min or whatever someone has their rate set at. In fact, I don't mind when girls show their tits, keeps the freeloaders out of my room.
The only thing that I ever see that directly effects my earnings is MY OWN ATTITUDE. On those days that I am not feelings good, I'm pissed about something, don't feel like talking, whatever, are the days that I struggle. On the days I feel great, talkative, confident are the days I do well. Hell, sometimes it's just plain slow and there's nothing I can do about it. Moral of the story: Attitude not free titties.
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Airrrie2
yeah now.. I won't be "stop looking at other" any time soon. I'm not dumb enough to turn my head away...
You're not dumb enough to turn your head away? What are you going to do, report a girl who is showing her titties in free chat? SM would laugh. YOUR ATTITUDE is gonna drive you crazy. Sounds like it already has. Stop finding a blame for when you're having a slow shift. Sometimes it just is. When you put all this in your head and worry about it, it's gonna reflect through your attitude thus reflecting in your earnings. You see your earnings drop, you'll blame it on this girl is doing this or this girl is doing that. I'm telling you.... Just go with it, stop worrying about other girls, just do you and the money will come.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
It's the same for me. Some days I'm struggling to make $50 a shift (normally 4 to 5 hours for me) and other days I make $100 in less than 2 hours barely trying. I gave up trying to figure it out and just go with the flow. If it seems to be a slow day I work my 4 to 5 hours and log off with whatever I have. On the days when it seems the stars have aligned and everything is perfect I'll bust ass as long as I can to make up for the slow day.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
I'm so not impressed by the appeals. If your tits hurt, go see a doctor. Go see a psychiatrist. Go see an herbalist. I don't care who you see but don't expect me to support you when you pull them out for free. I get paid to show mine. If you feel the need to air out your tits as a business model, my knowledge is its a bad business decision that not only hurts YOU but every other model on the site from this day into the future.
You are crass expecting me to change my opinion about something that does indeed take food off my table as well as every model from this day forward. What's crass is knowing you are killing this industry and scolding those of us who actually give a shit about tomorrow and not your paycheck today and only today.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
What is softcore pornography? |insert jeopardy theme here|
And the winning answer is: A niche done been being killed.
I'll stay crass thanks Alex!
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
Well this got awkward....
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
There's nothing awkward about debating good and bad marketing strategies. Lets not bait and let us stay on topic. People get heated enough with these discussions.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
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Airrrie2
There's nothing awkward about debating good and bad marketing strategies. Lets not bait and let us stay on topic. People get heated enough with these discussions.
Preeeeettttty sure I would not be the one baiting here... The nastiness was already going on before I said a thing. There is a HUGE difference between a debate, and being nasty. How you are behaving certainly does not come off as a debate but more like a pissed off rampage. Stay on topic? If you read the original post.... nothing is on topic anymore regarding what the actual original topic was. The topic now seems to be personally attacking a model for her decisions which are well within the rules of the site.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
You can put integrity into sex acts. We are cam performers, our job is to entertain. We are supposed to give damn good shows and you can do it with class and still show ass. Cam sites used to allow no nudity in free chat and we still were able to be sexy and get guys to buy shows. Anyone can be naked in free chat but it takes true talent to do a cam show.
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Originally Posted by
hyori
Maybe some girls feel the need to work harder to get that gold. Or they truly feel that showing all of it is the fastest way to sell themselves. I don't want to judge, it's a sex site, it's also somewhat performance art and you can't really put integrity on sex acts and performance art for that matter. I'm going to stop getting upset over the girls who do all of that and live in my own world. I suppose, soon enough, my vanilla image will be niche.
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
I will PM you with the info on a friend of mine that is a TG on Streamate and she does very well. She is also really friendly and loves to help out fellow performers.
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TSMaliaMystery
Okay so here is my situation me and my girlfriend are both transgender webcam models on Streamate. And we webcam in the same place, obviously in different rooms. I was wondering why it is that one week I will be getting a bunch of privates and she will be struggling to make 300. And then other weeks its her who's pulling in the big bucks. It is never both of us. Now I know we are both in the transgender category so we would obviously be eachother's competition, the only thing is we have completely different looks, she's white with blonde hair and plays the virtual girlfriend, whereas I'm a dark skinned Latina, who is usually percieved to be black by most and I mainly focus on domination and humiliation. So my question is does Streamate somehow only let the traffic go towards one of us since we have the same IP address and all. To me it would make perfect sense because how else would I be making tons of money one week consistenly and then the next week it is mostly her pulling in all the privates. One of us is always basically sitting in free chat for hours. What is your input on this, I feel it is more than sheer coincidence because wouldn't there be weeks when we both bank or are both doing shitty but its consistently one of us at a time making money. Thank you so much and have a beautiful day. Do any of you girls have this experience when you cam with the same IP address as your girlfriends?
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Re: Why is traffic so wishy washy? ON STREAMATE
I think your issue should be more with the site. They allow the performers to be topless and I know it confuses people because the rule says flashes, not sitting topless in free chat. However the site allows it. If you don't want to do that, you don't have to. I do on occasion do a flash for tips and guys do pay. They know I don't care if I show them in free chat because I make my money in shows.
I will say Streamate is NOT MFC and yes, I do find it annoying some performers are trying to make it MFC. Once again that comes down to the site allowing it so you really need to contact them with your complaints and have them address them. I feel like many performers do what they have to do to pay their bills and I don't blame them for that. You do what you have to do to make ends meat and sometimes you have to do things you arent crazy about.
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Originally Posted by
Airrrie2
Herein lies our difference in opinion. There needs to be a compromise somewhere. You are well aware your actions are hurting at least one other model because at least one other model has voiced her opinion on this issue, yet you fail to acknowledge that there are models here who do believe you are devaluing our industry. I mean, get real, how many times have you heard the phrase, "tits for tips"? This phrase is well know to us because obviously guys are willing to pay to see them, yet there you are because of your, "premenstrual" pains, ignoring this very obvious fact. yeah now.. I won't be "stop looking at other" any time soon. I'm not dumb enough to turn my head away from someone who admits to stealing food out of the mouths of my children.
It may sound augmentative to you, not because there's an actual argument, but because it's fact. How about your look at yourself now? Seeing that I do watch, you are actually in the minority. There are only a handful of women on SM who go topless. SM isn't a token based site. If you are having menstruation pains, how about trying a token based site during that time? This way you aren't stepping on everyone's toes at SM and you are still feeling the relief you need?